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I'm not going to get into the pecking order of various evolutions, especially since I don't know any of their names except what the dub called them(and I probably wouldn't even remember that if they weren't integrated into the catchy theme).TFRazorsaw posted:I'd rather they treat these characters honestly and not succumb to what is basically fandom pandering Why would you bring back a property that has been settled business for well over a decade for anything but fan pandering? What unique new thing is there to say that couldn't have been said with all new characters? Also, keep in mind that your opening argument is that S2 is much more popular in Territories That Matter, and so those fans will eventually be pandered to as well over the objections of those of us who liked season 1 more and besides thought this whole project was supposed to be a season 1 nostalgia trip.
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quote:Why would you bring back a property that has been settled business for well over a decade for anything but fan pandering? What unique new thing is there to say that couldn't have been said with all new characters? The type of fan pandering I mean is to the obsessive minority who grumbles about how 02 ruined everything and want it stricken from canon and its characters destroyed or otherwise taken the piss out of. There's the kind of pandering that's ultimately harmless; see all the "Oh, Omegamon is awesome!" or Alphamon basically working identically to how he did in X-Evolution. That's fun. It's harmless. But I've never liked "dragging the scrappies" because it's almost always catering to a small, loud subset of people, always obnoxious, and usually transparent to the point it affects the writing and becomes unnatural. It takes me out of the story, and just plain comes off as not writing for the sake of the narrative, but for scoring points with loud, bitter small people. 02 has lots of problems, and it remains to be seen what their being defeated by Alphamon will result in, but it's looking like a conscious storytelling decision that they're building up to. As for billing it as a "season 1 nostalgia trip", that is true, but the show is ALSO named "tri.", meaning that ignoring season 02 was never going to be a factor and that it was something it'd have to acknowledge one way or the other. Nor does it necessarily mean 02 elements or characters shouldn't be used, and judging by the first episode, that's happening anyway, due to the acknowledgement and continuity nods to a lot of them. Lastly, when I talk about how successful 02 was, I'm doing so in the context of why Toei has no real benefit or advantage to throwing it out, ignoring it, or taking shots at it. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 20:36
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The one thing 02 did right is it ditched the masters being made in composite video. Granted, it took until episode 40 for it to happen, and when it does there's still a bunch of stock footage that Toei didn't have component masters of (and because this is TOei, there's no logic to it. There's stuff from the first third of Adventure that had component masters, while there's 02 stuff that's stuck with a composite source)
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Nov 29, 2015 21:26
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I like Imperialdramon and most of 02's digimon designs. I did not like how, like with every other season, only two characters were of any importance at the end. But I liked the designs. They were neat.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:47
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So, something cool I don't think I've seen mentioned yet about tri.: In the evolution scenes, the Digimon get a silhouette covered in computer code. Pretty standard for Digimon, nothing special. Except, this isn't just normal binary; there are 0s, 1s, and 2s. That's not binary code. That's ternary, or trinary code. Digimon doesn't usually do anything like that. However, they have run with the idea, at points, that the Digital World was essentially created by the earliest computers, like ENIAC. There's a Soviet computer from 1958 called "Setun" that ran on ternary code... Plus, of course, the obvious way tri. and trinary code go together.
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Kurui Reiten posted:So, something cool I don't think I've seen mentioned yet about tri.: I noticed the 2s but just kinda wondered what was up with that for a few moments before forgetting about it, this is some cool-rear end trivia. Though i'm guessing it's simply referencing the trinary code's name rather than its origins. Then again it'd be interesting if Tai and Matt get in an argument about politics and Agumon and Gabumon just look utterly confused going "Well, capitalism is clearly flawed and dangerous, socialism is the only way to keep going forward, obviously?"
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Kurui Reiten posted:So, something cool I don't think I've seen mentioned yet about tri.: They did something like that in Tamers too. Basic Digimon were repented on Hypnos' systems as binary code, but when the Devas showed up, they communicated in hexadecimal because they were more evolved Digimon.
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I assumed the 2s were showing up because they were evolving to Champion/Adult. Maybe we'll see 3s when we get an Ultimate/Perfect sequence?
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KittyEmpress posted:I like Imperialdramon and most of 02's digimon designs. Pretty much. My fondest Digimon memories are of Adventure. It's undeniably the better series. But nobody turns into Stingmon.
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jivjov posted:I assumed the 2s were showing up because they were evolving to Champion/Adult. Maybe we'll see 3s when we get an Ultimate/Perfect sequence? Don't worry, Bender. There's no such thing as 2.
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Nov 30, 2015 07:26
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Has anyone ITT played Cyber Sleuth? Is it worth getting next year?
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Did you play digimon world DS? Dawn or Dusk? It's like that, with a bit less grinding and a more complex story.
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Nov 30, 2015 22:49
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No. Are those considered good in any way?
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Nov 30, 2015 23:22
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They're kind of a grind fest and repetitive but I enjoy them.
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I liked DS but I couldn't get into Dusk/Dawn since they change a minor thing and all moves required MP or whatever they called the action points. It was always good to have a move that you could use without using your MP for the trash mobs.
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I liked Dawn years ago, but I doubt I could go through it again because the thing that sticks out most clearly from my memories is the grinding. If they've cut it down, then I'm definitely interested, I suppose.
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I was fine with the grinding in Dawn/Dusk, battles were usually over quickly and easily. My problem with the game was how awful every single map was.
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nine-gear crow posted:They did something like that in Tamers too. Basic Digimon were repented on Hypnos' systems as binary code, but when the Devas showed up, they communicated in hexadecimal because they were more evolved Digimon. I never paid much attention, but that's a great little detail.
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Dexie posted:I was fine with the grinding in Dawn/Dusk, battles were usually over quickly and easily. I wish that Digimon in these style of games had like, stat caps or something. Having everything just cap at 9999 makes everything feel so pointless, especially when you can poach good moves up and down evolutionary lines. Like everything just devolves into a homogeneous mess. and it kinda sucks they keep doing it this way.
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But nothing beats hitting that perfect combination that gives you 3 Ultimate/Mega Digimon with a Poop attack.
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When pokemon/digimon shows/games like these came out I was just at that point where they felt a little too... kiddie for me. Looking back I always felt curious because I was always a gamer, always a techie, and loved animation but I never really got into them aside from a glance or two while flipping through TV channels. I'm curious whether or not the 'new' digimon show would have any appeal to someone who wasn't a fan back during the original shows.
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khy posted:When pokemon/digimon shows/games like these came out I was just at that point where they felt a little too... kiddie for me. Looking back I always felt curious because I was always a gamer, always a techie, and loved animation but I never really got into them aside from a glance or two while flipping through TV channels. ...Well you can try it out and tell us! I seriously have no idea how a non fan would react to Tri to be honest. It's a sequel in every sense of the word.
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Probably not. But check out Tamers if you wanna try anything. It's by the guy who wrote Serial Experiments Lain and it does some nutso poo poo for a kid's series, though not totally beyond the pale.
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The Dub of Tamers is pretty good too! And omits the stupidity that is Ryo's Japanese Expanded Universe Bullshit! Why Ryo why do you exist the way you do
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I know, I'm rewatching the Tamers dub at this very moment!
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Burkion posted:The Dub of Tamers is pretty good too! The Japanese version doesn't mention it either.
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DoctorWhat posted:Probably not. But check out Tamers if you wanna try anything. It's by the guy who wrote Serial Experiments Lain and it does some nutso poo poo for a kid's series, though not totally beyond the pale. i agree with doctorwhat
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What I think really made Tamers the best is that it was all clearly planned out. Unlike other series that all hit points where it was obvious that the writers were struggling to come up with the next step, they seemed to know what they were planning to do and how to get there.
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It’s Time To Finally Admit ‘Digimon’ Is Better Than ‘Pokémon’ Fifteen years later, "Digimon" is still the better show. #SorryNotSorry I don't know what is more amusing, the fact it keeps dragging the conflict between the Pokemon and Digimon fandoms or that is something published by MTV 
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I think most people have realized that Pokemon VS Digimon is a stupid debate that no one should have. Also it is hilarious that MTV put that out. What the actual gently caress
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Good thing MTV never watched Frontier or Xros Wars
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Everytime pokemon even attempts to do anything interesting, Japan gets demolished by earthquakes. They just gave up.
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Whoever makes the posters for this stuff understands my coupling preferences.
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I did not know that I needed to see a walrus viking and a flower fairy beat down a fused bug-dragon, but Tri provides anyway.
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From a purely aesthetic standpoint, I really like the composition of this poster. Lime green's normally a really ugly color, but they use it to get nicely eye-catching clashes against the shadowed yellows and purples of the characters, so it comes out looking really distinctive. It's simplistic, but effective.
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After discovering this thread the other day and reading through most of the pages I'm shocked that no one's touched on the worst part of season 2. They defeated the main villain by saying their hopes and dreams! What a lame way to end an already lame season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdbt9GpGvCk
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JT Smiley posted:After discovering this thread the other day and reading through most of the pages I'm shocked that no one's touched on the worst part of season 2. They defeated the main villain by saying their hopes and dreams! What a lame way to end an already lame season. Well the thing is, we all know Season 2 ended horribly, so it's sort of an unnecessary need to say it.
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Most of us don't try to talk about season 2's ending in depth because that could be a whole essay in how it failed the franchise in every possible way.
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No, seriously guys there's TONS of talk in this thread about the ending of season 2. Mostly about the epilogue, but still.
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