Eonwe posted:

you gotta give it up to the German education system

Karl is an expert in every field imaginable

peter gabriel posted:

Ok guys I got some Christmas Cookies, tuck in y'all

Iglocska posted:

WAT.

peter gabriel posted:

Ok guys I got some Christmas Cookies, tuck in y'all

Star Citizen scares the hell out of me posted:

Greetings Citizens,

Thanks to a certain post, I'm able to play PTU 2.0 Offline and have been doing just that for a few hours today. I'm a person who can very easily immerse himself into a game and give it my undivided attention and focus. First Person games take this a step further and depending on a few factors, I'm more or less right in the action and feel it to a sometimes frightening degree.

This is the case of Star Citizen. There are three jump points that make me feel weird, outright frightened at times, and those are (excuse the lack of names, in this version the jump points have no information attached to them) the FPS combat station orbiting the moon, the abandoned station orbiting another small planet (or moon) and the asteroid field with the small moon.

Why do they frighten me? Because my brain immerses itself way too deep into this game and the sheer mass and scale of these is scaring. It doesn't help that you die when you get to close, so these massive rocks seem like lumbering giants to me, who crush me when I get to close. Every time I quantum travel and they appear out of nowhere my instinct makes me want to jump off my chair and my stomach starts to feel a little weird.

Same goes for jumping into nowhere. When you're out there and there is nothing around you, only stars and darkness, it makes me feel kind off scared as well. I'm not astronaut material, that is what Star Citizen has taught me so far. But it's so much fun! I just need to fly a multicrew ship and have some people with me, the lonliness is also an aspect in all of this.

Here's a little video of it (Turn town head phones it's loud).

Another weird thing with this offline version is that it seems to replay the sound effect of a ship coming out of Quantum Travel when you used QT recently, and really god drat loud. So I was landing on the FPS station and suddenly this sound effect played and I almost jumped, thinking a giant ship just showed up behind me, because it was just this loud.

tl;dr: Space is scary.

aleksendr posted:

Has anyone considered the fact that thinking "Multi-Crew" will be fun is an illusion ? I find hard to beleive than without "level" or bonuses someone will be willing to go to "enginering" and stare at a control board while you fly your ship. Also from the stream all i could see for the co-pilot to do was manipulate thrusters level and shields, 2 things best left to the pilot since he or she is the one planning the next manoeuver.

i know deep down we would all love to fly around with our mates having fun and cheering in a cockpit but i fear it translate poorly in a video-game.

Dusty Lens posted:

EVE is an actual game. Which is a no joke pretty major problem for people who have decided to buy into the Star Citizen mythos. gfyk etc.

Tippis posted:

…and my only point is that the asteroid thicket is a stupid convention, on the same level as the various versions of “falling down” that we make fun of in relation to Wing Commander.

Ring systems don't work as an excuse for a number of reasons: they have too few large objects (and “large” is still hellalot smaller than what the convention calls for); they should at the same time be a lot denser on the (even) smaller scale; and they are far too thin to actually offer the kind of obstacle course that they're meant to provide: just move a ship-length or two normal/anti-normal and you're clear of the debris. While the opponent deftly zig-zags between blocks of ice, dust, pebbles, and even the occasional rock, you lazily coast through open space and just shoot him from slightly above. They are simply not the navigational hazard needed for the visual to work. Oh, and they're not asteroid belts, which kind of ruins the whole thing to begin with.

And then, of course, more in relation to this latest abuse, there's the question of what they can form around. Chariklo is neat and all, but it's a pretty sizeable chunk of rock (in open space) compared to what we see here and yet it only manages to produce a two very wimpy rings. At 3 and 7km wide, they're pretty ignorable even if you fly through them radially.

Dapper Dan posted:

fun stuff

Dapper Dan posted:

Their behavior reminds me of what I did when I was ten, make up pretend video games with an impossible amount of features and then I played it in my head. They're doing that, except in just spitballing and imagining on a forum, they're spending hundreds and thousands and actually expect it to be real.

aleksendr posted:

I used to do that with the first X-com, Adding layers and layers of options and "would it not be awesome if ?" in my head before going to sleep.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The only thing I ever wanted from X-COM was for someone to reskin it as a Necromunda game.

peter gabriel posted:

Flaw in plan spotted abort abort

grimcreaper posted:

That guy is total bullshit. There is no way he's played nearly 5000 total games to full completion unless 4800 of those are his own vbasic 2 lines of code games.

Pogue Ma Hoon posted:

I'm not sure I like Peter's new av over the old one. The old one seemed so much more joyful, and full of life.


Also go gently caress yourself Karl.

Mirificus posted:

quote:

I've played every Alpha, every Beta, every cash grab, and every fanboy game.

P.S: I'm not a fanboy. Never understood the mentality behind fanboy(ism).

AP posted:

peter gabriel posted:

Yeah I am in 2 minds as well

Dapper Dan posted:

You mean no one wants to be the cargo re-arranger in the multi-ship? Or the janitor? Or Science where you click a button to scan something and wait?

Dapper Dan posted:

The problem with multi-crew is that, unless you limit the stations to fun stuff (engineering, weapons), you basically need to make an entire game based around it otherwise people will basically be holding their dicks in their hand.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The only thing I ever wanted from X-COM was for someone to reskin it as a Necromunda game.

Pogue Ma Hoon posted:

But what does your heart tell you?

aleksendr posted:

You can have such a game and make it fun. Look at Puzzle Pirate. Having a few people doing good at some puzzles make a real difference in ship combat and having a good navigator can make voyages nearly half as long. But then the game was balanced around such things from the very begining.

A BAD way to do it is like in Startrek Online. The "Scanning..." minigame was a pass/fail, giving the same result no matter how fast you did solve it, turning the thing into a fun tax. Its like the new "repair" minigame they are sporting. From the look of things its just a pick the best materials and click "repair" while it could be a fun minigame where you either quicken the repair time or lower the cost based on your success. I would totally be down to do the "Cargo Tetris" minigame if it mean i can get a 25% increase in cargo space without any cost if i do well or if i can actually make my cargo "lighter" for the flight model (representing it being well stowed) but there is no way i'm doing it if my friends are waiting onboard to fly the next mission.

But then your player would have a real impact on the economy, and we cant have that, cant we ?

peter gabriel posted:

My heart tells me to dance