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I noticed something back when I used to check Drudge daily in order to be ready to fight off my poo poo-head RWM-consuming co-workers: Except for the frothing op-ed pieces, a lot of the horrible links were to normal news stories like Reuters or the AP. The link would say something awful in "this is gonna piss you off" red text that would make you think to yourself (at first), "Well! If that's true then Obama's really in trouble this time!" Then you click the link and read the story, and the story is nothing like the code-red misleading "headline" you clicked to read the article. This happened over and over and over. In nearly every case the article either didn't quite support the implied (or directly stated) accusation in the link, or it flat-out disproved it. There was almost never any "there" there. Eventually I came to understand the sheer desperation of it. I wonder how many Drudge regulars actually bother to read the articles or just read the link and stop there.
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Jurgan posted:2008? Hah! That poo poo started with Nixon. It was a deliberate strategy to undermine people's confidence so that they wouldn't believe reporting about the Republicans. Yeah I would agree with this. But, to me, 2008 was the election cycle where the GOP started insisting that their alternate reality was real and demanding the right to rely on their own facts. That reliance on their own facts is now reaching a high point with Trump's campaign.
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radical meme posted:Yeah I would agree with this. But, to me, 2008 was the election cycle where the GOP started insisting that their alternate reality was real and demanding the right to rely on their own facts. That reliance on their own facts is now reaching a high point with Trump's campaign. Interesting point- you're saying they forgot it was a strategy and started buying into their own hype. Well, I remember the hilarity of Unskewed Polls.
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2008 is when the establishment started losing control to the right wing hype machine they nurtured before that they were clearly in charge; authority was wielded by Bush, Tom DeLay, etc. and while the fringers were useful politically they were more a means to an end. Lack of White House control prevents there from being a clear authority figure; no prospective Congressional leader seems able to project authority well even for the role.
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Thank you for the responses, everyone. ... though, it seems I might have been looking at things a little too optimistically for my hypothesis to hold out on the media bias front. I just can't help but feel as if there must be some explanation for the divergence in political thought that has created this rift which could only be crossed through combat. I don't necessarily like the fact that there are us over here and them over there, as the myopia inert to echo chambers always creates limitations in both ways. I've seen good friendships ruined by simple disagreements over abortion, BLM, and Tumblr dramas, even though the same people were perfectly fine to gush endlessly about Nintendo games together. Something in the back of my mind can't quite rest with it. When the all-too-common response to sudden disagreement on even singular issues is to sever completely, I can't help but feel we're collectively doing something wrong. So wasteful. ... but with things getting as extreme as they are, I just don't know anymore.
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Morroque posted:I've seen good friendships ruined by simple disagreements over abortion, BLM, and Tumblr dramas, even though the same people were perfectly fine to gush endlessly about Nintendo games together. Something in the back of my mind can't quite rest with it. I can kind of justify this - as a woman who would probably have major health issues if she got knocked up, someone who wants abortion to be illegal is basically saying they prioritize a nonexistent fetus higher than me. It's a bit insulting. And I'm sure that a woman who'd had abortions who heard someone going on and on about "babykillers" would probably take it personally. Likewise, if someone doesn't think police brutality is still racially biased or that black people don't have a reason to be afraid of/run away from cops, it can feel just as dehumanizing. It's basically much more of a life-or-death situation than Nintendo games. That's why it can cause rifts in friendships.
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That's very true. It might be perverse to say it, but I honestly wish the instances I were witness to had such justification. At least then I could say the result happened for a good reason, and not just over mere theoreticals.
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Dec 1, 2015 06:29
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Wasn't this a strategy the Nazi's used back in the day? I'm not exaggerating...this seems eeriely similar to something that they'd have said about communists or something. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/30/cruz-most-violent-criminals-are-dems.html
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:2008 is when the establishment started losing control to the right wing hype machine they nurtured It's also a reflection of a much larger problem with our society and our willingness to accept the word of authority figures. Big Tobacco told us for decades cigarettes were harmless, produced medical reports backing them up; knowing it was a lie. Big Oil and Coal finance mountains of fake science protecting their extraction industry. The NFL has known for years the threat of concussions and financed fake medicine to hide it. The NRA lobbies to prevent medical research and competent enforcement of existing laws. We shouldn't be surprised that a large portion of our society feels entitled to its own reality and set of facts.
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joepinetree posted:Here's another example of "free speech" being trampled on campus, according to FIRE: joepinetree posted:a gun give-away poker tournament I keep rereading this and it just isn't making sense in my brain. A frat was giving away guns in a poker tournament? And not only is this allowed but they wanted the school to fund it? And the school not doing that is a violation of free speech? The gently caress?
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PUGGERNAUT posted:
Yeah, things I can casually relate to somebody about does not bear the same weight that say a woman's right to her own body or that LBGTQ people should not be discriminated against. And for believing this, I am told I am being more ideological and thus extreme in my views despite holding such views is me articulating my desire not to be treated as a second-class citizen. So, forgive me if I don't want to chat about some inconsequential poo poo with people who want to deny me the same privileges they enjoy. Sorry if this comes off as salty. It just seems that coverage of political ideology, even from liberal sources [vox comes to mind immediately], keeps forgetting to mention that the progressives are hoping to reduce inequality while conservatives are advocating to reduce medical coverage and preserve people's right to discriminate.
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N. Senada posted:Yeah, things I can casually relate to somebody about does not bear the same weight that say a woman's right to her own body or that LBGTQ people should not be discriminated against. And for believing this, I am told I am being more ideological and thus extreme in my views despite holding such views is me articulating my desire not to be treated as a second-class citizen. So, forgive me if I don't want to chat about some inconsequential poo poo with people who want to deny me the same privileges they enjoy. Speaking of which it looks like our freshly minted anti-discrimination ordinance will probably be repealed, thanks in no small part to a right wing talk show host.  KTUU posted:The Assembly voted 9-2 in September to ban discrimination of gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual people, including in cases such as rental applications and employment. KFQD host Bernadette Wilson filed a proposed petition Wednesday that would ask voters if that LGBT amendment to the city equal rights law should be struck down. http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/proposed-ballot-question-would-repeal-lgbt-equal-rights-protections/36726084
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I can kind of justify this - as a woman who would probably have major health issues if she got knocked up, someone who wants abortion to be illegal is basically saying they prioritize a nonexistent fetus higher than me. It's a bit insulting. And I'm sure that a woman who'd had abortions who heard someone going on and on about "babykillers" would probably take it personally. I feel that way about the ACA. When people say they want it repealed, I hear that they want my wife to die. She has a ton of "preexisting conditions" and couldn't really get insurance in the past. Just a couple weeks ago, she got checked for something that in the past we would have had to say "just hope it goes away, we can't afford to see anyone about it." It was easily fixed, but they said it could have become cancer within a year without treatment. So I get hostile quickly when people start talking about repealing it, especially since they usually don't have any reason besides some amorphous talking points about socialism.
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"Harsh criticism" is a brand of ARs if I recall correctly.
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STAC Goat posted:I keep rereading this and it just isn't making sense in my brain. A frat was giving away guns in a poker tournament? And not only is this allowed but they wanted the school to fund it? And the school not doing that is a violation of free speech? The gently caress? Yeah, just who is this elected government and why are they allowed to do things I disagree with? No really the entire letter was just an entire misunderstanding as to what a student government is allowed to do. They are in no way stopping the event, just refusing to support and fund it, because they disagree with it. Because that's how this works. And if the majority of people don't like it they can be voted out of office. I'm pretty sure they also wouldn't fund my Klu Klux Klambake, but are totally powerless to stop it all the same.
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Jurgan posted:I feel that way about the ACA. When people say they want it repealed, I hear that they want my wife to die. She has a ton of "preexisting conditions" and couldn't really get insurance in the past. Just a couple weeks ago, she got checked for something that in the past we would have had to say "just hope it goes away, we can't afford to see anyone about it." It was easily fixed, but they said it could have become cancer within a year without treatment. So I get hostile quickly when people start talking about repealing it, especially since they usually don't have any reason besides some amorphous talking points about socialism. That's hosed up. I'm glad you were able to see a doctor! We really need a single payer system, but the ACA is still making a huge difference.
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Womp wompquote:Alabama called off a legal battle with Planned Parenthood on Monday after a federal judge last month blocked the state from defunding the reproductive health organization's clinics amid national controversy about its handling of aborted fetal tissue. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/565ce8bae4b072e9d1c30cc8
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Star Man posted:To be honest, it really doesn't feel recovered. In South Carolina we are still digging ourselves out of the hole. Lack of the Medicaid expansion is really hurting poorer folks, and the public sector generally remains drastically under funded. Of course we are never going to "fully" recover. Lost years don't come back.
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We have to ask permission to take parts out of your corpse but when it comes to a fetus it doesnt even need to exist before we start loving with your rights over your own body.
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I think the economy doesn't "feel recovered" for several reasons. Wage stagnation is finally reaching critical mass for one thing. Technology and online purhcases are supplanting a lot of jobs that used to require a human being. The says of great benefits, pensions, upward mobility with one company and long term employment decisions are mostly a thing of the past now. Outsourcing is a real thing. Unions are all but dead and villified constantly anyway. More people seem to be "piece mealing" a living. For instance, I freelance some, part time at one place when they need me and fill in at a big print shop when someone misses work but none of it seems like a "career", in the traditional sense. No one goes to work for Bell like my grandmother did and retires with full benefits. Also, College, healthcare and even food prices are rising dramatically which often negates ANY gains an individual person might make. RWM media has convinced their listeners that Americans are lazy and don't want to work hard when in reality they work harder than ever but they've been taught to "just work harder". It's like the end rounds of a game of Monopoly where you're down to two lovely properties and a utility company but somehow you convince yourself to "just roll the dice HARDER this time." The system seems to be eating itself and revealing itself as a zero sum game.
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Hazo posted:Came here to post almost exactly this. It's a customer retention tactic. In a shocking twist, it turns out that the party most in favor of no-holds-barred capitalism is better at marketing.
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MaxxBot posted:Honestly you'd have to be a goddamn idiot to agree to appear on Hannity or Levin as a liberal, it's extremely clear and obvious that they they have no intention of giving liberal callers fair talking time or really any talking time at all. Today's SMBC is relevant. 
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BiggerBoat posted:I think the economy doesn't "feel recovered" for several reasons. this was always true, older americans have the double edged benefit of having lived through an enormous prosperity boom that created a pseudo-socialism due to the sheer amount of wealth floating around white america it feels like a regression when really it's a return to the mean
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Moktaro posted:In a shocking twist, it turns out that the party most in favor of no-holds-barred capitalism is better at marketing. It's easy to be better at marketing when your base is less educated and less discerning. Bernie Sanders has gotten ripped up by liberals for not having exact specific plans for helping one specific demographic whereas all conservative candidates really have to say to galvanize supporters is "the other side is bad and I will definitely fix things." Mitt Romney "won" a debate by functionally saying nothing more than "I will do everything Obama says he will do except better." E: I think Sarah Palin is a pretty good measure for the differences between the parties. Look at how prominent she became and for how long. Her liberal equivalent will be relegated to tumblr hell forever while she spent years in the national spotlight. mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Why not go full on Running Man and throw her to a pool of starving alligators on live TV? 
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Gonna be fun to watch matt walsh get backed into a corner and be forced to admit he wants to punish women.
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How the gently caress has this nation allowed 'abortionist' to be a real word?
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Just be glad he's not calling her an "Abortionista" like some of his contemporaries.
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What's even the point of debating this guy? He's just going to grandstand and yell 'ABORTIONIST" and claim he won no matter what happens
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BiggerBoat posted:I think the economy doesn't "feel recovered" for several reasons. Well said. Popular Thug Drink posted:this was always true, older americans have the double edged benefit of having lived through an enormous prosperity boom that created a pseudo-socialism due to the sheer amount of wealth floating around white america It can be both, and it is. Sorry I'm not sorry that I don't take the historical perspective when realizing that I don't have the opportunities my parents did.
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Doctor Butts posted:How the gently caress has this nation allowed 'abortionist' to be a real word? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3E-GhKen4
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People likely on Matt Walsh's side have already decided in their minds to believe a heavily doctored video as their one and only piece of evidence as to what PP does. On top of that, they have already made up their minds that life begins at conception, and any pregnancy termination at any time is "killing a baby" How's that image go again? You're playing chess with a pigeon: You know you're winning, but the pigeon is just gonna kick over all the pieces and poo poo on the board.
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Keeshhound posted:Just be glad he's not calling her an "Abortionista" like some of his contemporaries. That sounds cool though.
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Mr Jaunts posted:What's even the point of debating this guy? He's just going to grandstand and yell 'ABORTIONIST" and claim he won no matter what happens Because he's loving wrong EDIT: People who are on the fence might be swayed. The abortion debate is something that liberals need to loving press, and press hard. Full Battle Rattle fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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If I was in her shoes I would just honk an airhorn every time I was supposed to respond.
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robotsinmyhead posted:People likely on Matt Walsh's side have already decided in their minds to believe a heavily doctored video as their one and only piece of evidence as to what PP does. On top of that, they have already made up their minds that life begins at conception, and any pregnancy termination at any time is "killing a baby"
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Keeshhound posted:Just be glad he's not calling her an "Abortionista" like some of his contemporaries. I'm now imagining a coffee shop-type atmosphere where people lounge in overstuffed chairs, sipping lattes and ticka-tacka'ing their way through a manuscript while waiting for their name to be called by the abortionista to come to the back room Sounds nice
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He's saying gays shouldn't have sex and are dirty wrong and that straights can't get AIDs.
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