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Luigi Thirty posted:Somewhere I have a photograph of my grampa shirtless in his 60s and posing next to a cardboard cutout of Nailz. I don't know why this photo exists.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 17:44 |
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triplexpac posted:Even when I was a kid I thought Nailz sucked. Maybe because I also thought the Big Boss Man sucked? Nailz sucked because he was a one-dimensional character.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 17:53 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Nailz sucked because he was a one-dimensional character. He was also possibly the worst wrestler on the roster.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 17:58 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Nailz sucked because he was a one-dimensional character. So was the Undertaker, Big Boss Man, and Kane back then. I think 'guy who used to be in jail and has a terrifying voice' isn't the worst gimmick in the world (it sure scared the piss out of me as a kid) but the guy playing it was the complete shits.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 18:00 |
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flashy_mcflash posted:So was the Undertaker, Big Boss Man, and Kane back then. I think 'guy who used to be in jail and has a terrifying voice' isn't the worst gimmick in the world (it sure scared the piss out of me as a kid) but the guy playing it was the complete shits. Well they can't all be Bruiser Bedlam, the 300 pound motorcycle gang member from SMW who's probably killed multiple people and blew up a police station once.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 18:50 |
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Literally the only move I can remember Nailz doing is a choke. I should go watch some Nailz matches to be sure.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 18:57 |
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flashy_mcflash posted:So was the Undertaker, Big Boss Man, and Kane back then. I think 'guy who used to be in jail and has a terrifying voice' isn't the worst gimmick in the world (it sure scared the piss out of me as a kid) but the guy playing it was the complete shits. I would lump former convict wrestler in with other one dimensional gimmicks as wrestling plumber, wrestling race car driver and wrestling garbage man. I don't think that the Boss Man & the Undertaker would be in the same category. Also, Kane was not around for 5 more years. Isaac Yankem, DDS, was one dimensional, though.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 19:04 |
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Minidust posted:Literally the only move I can remember Nailz doing is a choke. I should go watch some Nailz matches to be sure. Here's him vs Mike Collins it's like 80% chokes. Also includes Heenan saying Nailz won't be afraid of the Undertaker cause he's eaten with people like the Undertaker which I assume means he's eaten with zombies before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJi2IvdvOo
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 19:10 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:Here's him vs Mike Collins it's like 80% chokes. Also includes Heenan saying Nailz won't be afraid of the Undertaker cause he's eaten with people like the Undertaker which I assume means he's eaten with zombies before.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 19:14 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:Here's him vs Mike Collins it's like 80% chokes. Also includes Heenan saying Nailz won't be afraid of the Undertaker cause he's eaten with people like the Undertaker which I assume means he's eaten with zombies before. Why do people have to invent stories to explain why a biker might have been in jail?
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 19:22 |
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You know, I think there is plenty of millage in a Max Cady from Cape Fear gimmick if put on a decent worker with some acting chops.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 21:45 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I would lump former convict wrestler in with other one dimensional gimmicks as wrestling plumber, wrestling race car driver and wrestling garbage man. I don't think that the Boss Man & the Undertaker would be in the same category. Also, Kane was not around for 5 more years. Isaac Yankem, DDS, was one dimensional, though. Undertaker was a mortician who wrestled in a tie. Boss Man was a sweaty, abusive cop. I'd argue that these gimmicks are harder or more counterintuitive to evolve than 'scary convict'. I brought up Kane because he is the kind of evolutionary path the Nailz character could've followed. Silent scary killer to corporate enforcer. flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I would lump former convict wrestler in with other one dimensional gimmicks as wrestling plumber, wrestling race car driver and wrestling garbage man. Don't talk about Booker T that way.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:02 |
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remusclaw posted:You know, I think there is plenty of millage in a Max Cady from Cape Fear gimmick if put on a decent worker with some acting chops. Waylon Mercy?
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:10 |
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Ha, never actually got to see that gimmick until now. The picnic vignette wasn't great, and it was new generation, I assume it wasnt very good was it? The gimmick I think has to rest on all the implied threats having an actual target rather than just saying it to a camera and vaguely directing it at all the wrestlers in the company, Mercy seems relatively creepy there, but without a target you just get creepy, rather than the malevolence you really want to get across. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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What are considered TNA's "good" periods, if any? I know there's some pre-Dixie stuff where they actually were going for a solid wrestling show and not just shock TV like how it started, but is the good content all isolated matches or have there actually been some long-term solid stretches in the company? I've seen a handful of fun matches over the years but never followed it on a weekly basis due to all the stupid bullshit the company has always done.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:24 |
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I think most people will tell you they liked Waylon Mercy a lot. But Dan Spivey was already over 40 when he got the Waylon Mercy gimmick and he had a lot of wear and tear on him from working stiff matches on a rough schedule for years in AJPW; he had to retire just a few months after he started doing the character. On the one hand I think it's a shame because (having just read a lot of Observers from 95) he was in line for a big push after the gimmick debuted to a good reception. On the other hand, he wasn't worth much in the ring anymore so it's a wash.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:27 |
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remusclaw posted:Ha, never actually got to see that gimmick until now. The picnic vignette wasn't great, and it was new generation, I assume it wasnt very good was it? bray_wyatt_promo.docx
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:27 |
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DynamiteKidd posted:I think most people will tell you they liked Waylon Mercy a lot. But Dan Spivey was already over 40 when he got the Waylon Mercy gimmick and he had a lot of wear and tear on him from working stiff matches on a rough schedule for years in AJPW; he had to retire just a few months after he started doing the character. I think most people liked the character because of how different it was. I think people saw the potential for greatness right away, and if he didn't retire due to injuries, a lovely wrestler could still be over.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:32 |
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sticklefifer posted:What are considered TNA's "good" periods, if any? I know there's some pre-Dixie stuff where they actually were going for a solid wrestling show and not just shock TV like how it started, but is the good content all isolated matches or have there actually been some long-term solid stretches in the company? I've seen a handful of fun matches over the years but never followed it on a weekly basis due to all the stupid bullshit the company has always done. I think Raven's run on top during the period they were off TV was pretty solid overall. Then they got TV again and Double J took the title back. Edit: When people say "Waylon Mercy" I always think of Brother Love first and get confused.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:33 |
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sticklefifer posted:What are considered TNA's "good" periods, if any? I know there's some pre-Dixie stuff where they actually were going for a solid wrestling show and not just shock TV like how it started, but is the good content all isolated matches or have there actually been some long-term solid stretches in the company? I've seen a handful of fun matches over the years but never followed it on a weekly basis due to all the stupid bullshit the company has always done. I think it was the run from when they had five-star Samoa Joe and AJ Styles matches until Hogan came in and Hoganed the company back into chaos?
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:54 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:I think it was the run from when they had five-star Samoa Joe and AJ Styles matches until Hogan came in and Hoganed the company back into chaos? Russo got there first. Hogan just came in and took the 1990's style booking and brought in some 1990's talent to match.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 22:57 |
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Speaking of TNA, I bit the bullet and read Foley's Countdown to Lockdown memoir. Is any of his TNA stuff actually worth looking up? I was on a wrestling sabbatical at the time and didn't see a bit of it. The promos sound quite good, but I'm gonna guess a lot of the matches he worked are butt rear end awful despite his opinion that they're good.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 23:13 |
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Glamorama26 posted:Speaking of TNA, I bit the bullet and read Foley's Countdown to Lockdown memoir. Is any of his TNA stuff actually worth looking up? I was on a wrestling sabbatical at the time and didn't see a bit of it. The promos sound quite good, but I'm gonna guess a lot of the matches he worked are butt rear end awful despite his opinion that they're good. I liked the Last Man Standing match he had with Flair, but a lot of people were turned off because it was essentially both guys working a CZW match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjloY4ZR6F0
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 23:19 |
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EugeneJ posted:I liked the Last Man Standing match he had with Flair, but a lot of people were turned off because it was essentially both guys working a CZW match: They owed the world at least one interesting match after their WWE run.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 01:02 |
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sticklefifer posted:What are considered TNA's "good" periods, if any? I know there's some pre-Dixie stuff where they actually were going for a solid wrestling show and not just shock TV like how it started, but is the good content all isolated matches or have there actually been some long-term solid stretches in the company? I've seen a handful of fun matches over the years but never followed it on a weekly basis due to all the stupid bullshit the company has always done.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 01:43 |
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DynamiteKidd posted:I think most people will tell you they liked Waylon Mercy a lot. But Dan Spivey was already over 40 when he got the Waylon Mercy gimmick and he had a lot of wear and tear on him from working stiff matches on a rough schedule for years in AJPW; he had to retire just a few months after he started doing the character. Waylon was definitely not the best thing ever work-wise, but hooooooly poo poo, watching that dude transform from your new Southern pal with the weird tattoo into a vicious maniac the moment his opponent got any offense in was absolutely awesome.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 02:33 |
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Smoking Crow posted:What was RINGS? From the information I can find it was either a promotion that mixed shoot and worked matches or a puro fed that slowly went legit. How correct is that The "official" cut-off date for it becoming an actual MMA promotion was 1995, but there were shoot matches before then (almost entirely on the undercard) and worked matches afterwards, but by 1999 or 2000 it was full shoot. Usually. I don't think 2001's Volk Han vs. Yoshiaki Fujiwara was a shoot.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 03:03 |
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Mercy did a thing once where he held open the ropes for his opponent, then 'accidentally' let go and smacked him with them. "I'm sorry ref, my hands are slippery." Waylon Mercy loving ruled.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 03:10 |
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sticklefifer posted:What are considered TNA's "good" periods, if any? I know there's some pre-Dixie stuff where they actually were going for a solid wrestling show and not just shock TV like how it started, but is the good content all isolated matches or have there actually been some long-term solid stretches in the company? I've seen a handful of fun matches over the years but never followed it on a weekly basis due to all the stupid bullshit the company has always done. I was really enjoying it in like 2005, it was fun to watch and kind of felt like WCW to me, enough so that I would sometimes find myself internally referring to it as WCW. Then there was an episode where the camera cut to Mike Tenay and Don West very intently and obviously reading from actual scripts and not even looking at what was happening on the monitors. I could never bear to watch it again
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 03:20 |
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DeathChicken posted:Mercy did a thing once where he held open the ropes for his opponent, then 'accidentally' let go and smacked him with them. "I'm sorry ref, my hands are slippery." Waylon Mercy loving ruled. I bring it up all the time, but my favorite Mercy moment was him knocking the guy to floor, then going out to help him back in, only to DDT him on the floor. He then claimed the guy slipped.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 10:10 |
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I just watched Waylon Mercy vs Jeff Hardy, and the Vince commentary just boggles my mind, because he's terrible, but his instincts when announcing are so good. He builds guys, he doesn't call move names but he calls the match, he's excited about everything he is seeing and its so loving weird, because you have a good announcer do the things he does on commentary and you might have some decent announcing, but his coaching is so terrible now.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 11:06 |
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remusclaw posted:I just watched Waylon Mercy vs Jeff Hardy, and the Vince commentary just boggles my mind, because he's terrible, but his instincts when announcing are so good. He builds guys, he doesn't call move names but he calls the match, he's excited about everything he is seeing and its so loving weird, because you have a good announcer do the things he does on commentary and you might have some decent announcing, but his coaching is so terrible now. I never get when people hate on Vinces commentary. I like it but I'm in the minority.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 11:16 |
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If I recall, Austin said Vince is a phenomenal commentator, because nobody will ever know the story that is supposed to be told than Vince himself. I dislike Vince's calling of moves, but I love his passion and treating what you're watching as the greatest thing you could possibly be doing with your life.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 11:23 |
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I think that after so long with the current announce team, which will either irritate you to death or put you to sleep, Vince's sheer enthusiasm makes his old stuff seem positively great as compared to today's stuff. I don't think he rates as compared to the best, but he is a drat sight better than anything he has inflicted on us since JR left for good.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 11:44 |
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If the commentary team aren't being outrageously bad then they just sound like the commentary in WWE 2k16. It's either incredibly bad or dull with the current lot.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 13:16 |
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Vince wasn't that great at calling moves which people gave him a lot of abuse for, but he was very good at getting angles over, which is the point of a wrestling announcer in the end I think.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 13:21 |
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remusclaw posted:I just watched Waylon Mercy vs Jeff Hardy, and the Vince commentary just boggles my mind, because he's terrible, but his instincts when announcing are so good. He builds guys, he doesn't call move names but he calls the match, he's excited about everything he is seeing and its so loving weird, because you have a good announcer do the things he does on commentary and you might have some decent announcing, but his coaching is so terrible now. enthusiastic commentary is great unless your voice is trash or you're absolutely uninteresting as a human being. see: Excalibur and Matt Striker respectively
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 13:46 |
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I was watching Clash of Champions VI with JR on commentary and drat if you could just turn off the video and just listen and get the full match. I think they forget that today.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 15:03 |
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Endless Mike posted:I was watching Clash of Champions VI with JR on commentary and drat if you could just turn off the video and just listen and get the full match. I think they forget that today. JR calling NWA matches is the best commentary ever, and that 2/3 falls match might be his best performance.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 15:40 |