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Tokamak posted:How do you accurately perform 32-bit calculations between two loosely connected 32-bit spaces and render it? Welcome to my nightmare (of having to repeatedly explain this poo poo). Have fun. ps: You're doing great; but beware the rabbit hole (where I tend to go down with the likes of Octopode at times).
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Loiosh posted:In the latest bugsmashers they actually address this. One of the crashes for the 2.0.0 test was caused by a 64-bit position being put into a 32-bit local zone grid. The resulting overflows caused the physics interpolation to crash SC. I think this should answer this question going forward. The ship grids are 32-bit precision. The global space is 64-bit. Q.E.D.
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Beet Wagon posted:however, this is the best and funniest thing I've ever witnessed. Holy hell... that was... enlightening. Ive known a few furries and even they make fun of that stuff... i need to scrub my eyes and brain. Lack of Gravitas posted:God drat you for reminding me of them, but yes, they did: My freaking ears.. why does he have to talk like a squeak toy? Is there any actual reason he thinks its ok to go full retard? or is this part of the "Furry logic that even most furries hate" thing?
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Loiosh posted:Will do. I'll stay out of the chats and not point it out in the future. I'm still catching up. But I just wanted to say I don't trust you. I think you're a CIG Missionaria Protectiva, and also you're not funny.
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D_Smart posted:Q.E.D. I'm glad you've finally come around and admitted they actually have implemented 64-bit coordinate space.
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Octopode posted:I'm glad you've finally come around and admitted they actually have implemented 64-bit coordinate space. You're an idiot. Do you even know what Q.E.D means? ps: nope, that's not what this discussion was even about.
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TTerrible posted:We're (as I understand it) on the same page there. 32bit local with global as 64bit. To be clear, the global space, including ship locations are stored with 64-bit precision according to this video. When I say local grid, I mean a zone/grid internal to a ship. In that particular example, the crash was happening because of collisions after a large ship had been destroyed. For a certain amount of time, the internal space is a single local grid (32-bit precision) that grows in size as the ship parts split. Then they're partitioned. The bug happened when another object (player or ship) traveled through that ship that was splitting, the server sent a position update in 64-bit precision - but now within the local grid. If my understanding is correct, the client's physics system then tried to fit that 64-bit value into 32-bit local grid space (the interior of the ship) and do a movement interpolation. Their fix is to send the reference grid during a translation and translate the coordinates into 32-bit grid space so that the physics system can correctly interpolate. So, global positional space, all ships and players that are not inside of other objects, are 64-bit precision. All local spaces, which are the interiors of ships and stations, are 32-bit precision. Space around stations and ships, is 64-bit precision, according to that video.
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Loiosh posted:To be clear, the global space, including ship locations are stored with 64-bit precision according to this video. When I say local grid, I mean a zone/grid internal to a ship. In that particular example, the crash was happening because of collisions after a large ship had been destroyed. For a certain amount of time, the internal space is a single local grid (32-bit precision) that grows in size as the ship parts split. Then they're partitioned. The bug happened when another object (player or ship) traveled through that ship that was splitting, the server sent a position update in 64-bit precision - but now within the local grid. If my understanding is correct, the client's physics system then tried to fit that 64-bit value into 32-bit local grid space (the interior of the ship) and do a movement interpolation. Do you work for CiG? Because they SHOULD be paying you for PR.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:58
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if I had a cat this is where his/her pic would be right now.
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If we had a bowl of vegetable soup then the chunky veg is 32 bit and the soup is 64 bit? I'm trying to visualise it in a good way that doesn't involve anything intelligent.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:if I had a cat this is where his/her pic would be right now. I got cat
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grimcreaper posted:Do you work for CiG? Because they SHOULD be paying you for PR. I don't think I'd ever work for a game company. They tend to be horrible places to work if you like a family life and.. sleep. You should hear the stories out of Bethesda or (my favorite horrible crunch office), Irrational. One source recalls how Levine would challenge the historical accuracy of a design, down to the tiniest of details. If something wasn't perfect — if it didn't fit in the context of the world — then it needed to be done again. "I realized that he's not someone you bullshit," says the source, "because he cares about that detail so much and really loves it when other people do too." Other former employees had a more extreme reaction to their boss's creative process. At least one department had instituted a policy of "essentially having the lead observe a 'dress rehearsal' of any meeting that was planned to present content to Ken." In interviews from 2012, former employees of Irrational called this practice "Ken Whispering." - http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/6/5474722/why-did-irrational-close-bioshock-infinite There's some great stories about Ken floating out there. If you cannot get enough crazy Chris Roberts stories, Ken Levine is another fine one.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:if I had a cat this is where his/her pic would be right now. Truly, the apocalypse is nigh.
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Octopode posted:I'm glad you've finally come around and admitted they actually have implemented 64-bit coordinate space. Yes, and you can fire a gun in 2.0. Therefore Star Marine. Q.E.D.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:06
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If you are bobbing for apples the apples are 32 bit and the water is 64 bit
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peter gabriel posted:If we had a bowl of vegetable soup then the chunky veg is 32 bit and the soup is 64 bit? Your house is 64-bit, the soup is 32-bit, and the veggies are objects. You can move the soup bowl around in your house, and the veggies move with it, because they remain relative to the soup, but if you want, you can take a spoonful of veggies out and put them in a different bowl as well.
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Octopode posted:Your house is 64-bit, the soup is 32-bit, and the veggies are objects. You can move the soup bowl around in your house, and the veggies move with it, because they remain relative to the soup, but if you want, you can take a spoonful of veggies out and put them in a different bowl as well. I don't have any vegetable soup in my house though, I have creamy tomato. This is more complex than I first thought. Edit: My vegetable soup example presumes I am at my pal Steve's house, he has vegetable soup most times.
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Loiosh posted:I don't think I'd ever work for a game company. They tend to be horrible places to work if you like a family life and.. sleep. You should hear the stories out of Bethesda or (my favorite horrible crunch office), Irrational.  tell us more about how Chris Roberts isn't that bad when you think about it in just the right context. I honestly don't think a shill could have made a post that's more contrived.
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Still, great news about Steve's house being 64 bit, he'll be happy about that
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Don't make me feel bad Derek, it's just the way it works. Your efforts to expose the Tyranny of Pubezilla and Coke Roberts will always be appreciated by every sane goon whose money you saved if it does crash, it's just after the fire is finished burning, you're just another goon again, instead of Derek Smart, Developer Superstar. With a well earned +50 points to Smug, though. What if I made soup out radishes and pixels? Does Start Citizen support such a new-age technology, and if so, how will this affect performance requirements and publication delays?
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peter gabriel posted:Still, great news about Steve's house being 64 bit, he'll be happy about that Its actually just 64 bits of poop though
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Dec 3, 2015 05:20
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yea I would get steve the gently caress out of that house pronto.
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Octopode posted:Your house is 64-bit, the soup is 32-bit, and the veggies are objects. You can move the soup bowl around in your house, and the veggies move with it, because they remain relative to the soup, but if you want, you can take a spoonful of veggies out and put them in a different bowl as well. Actually, the soup bowl jiggles everywhere all of the vegetables fly everywhere, one of them clips into the bowl in the wrong way and the bowl disappears. All you can see now is the soup paricles flowing around. After 10 more seconds you go blond and the only thing you can sense is a penetrating smell of poo poo and piss... Soup Citizen! Donate now!
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Dec 3, 2015 05:25
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I'll let Steve know and report back, thanks for the heads up guys
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peter gabriel posted:If you are bobbing for apples the apples are 32 bit and the water is 64 bit Your head is bobbing around so fast you get motion sickness and barf all over the apples/water
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A Neurotic Jew posted:
I don't think I've said anything in his or Sandi's defense beyond that Chris is a perfectionist and a gamer, and Sandi did manage to sell a lot of JPEGs. In fact, I've said he's not that talented of a writer/filmmaker: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&pagenumber=342&perpage=40#post452651864 That I'm not that interested in all the movie crap because it's not the thing I'm looking for: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&pagenumber=431&perpage=40#post452922419 The most complementary thing I've said is that he's thoughtful and: For all his flaws, he's a gamer and that's cool. The sad news here is that most of the large game companies are pretty lovely to work for. I mean at Ubisoft, they have a dev purgatory they send people off to: "It is one of the most depressing things that can happen," said a different person who has worked there. "Many people that do end up in interproject for any length of time just end up quitting. You go from working your rear end off and giving a poo poo to just basically being set aside and forgotten." One particularly strange wrinkle is the way in which interproject employees get new jobs. In order to get on another project, according to the people who worked there, interproject staff have to apply for new openings within the company. They already work for Ubisoft Montreal, but in order to find actual work, they often need to go through applications and interviews as if they're coming in from elsewhere. - http://kotaku.com/ubisofts-game-developer-limbo-1644500222 Not that that defends anything, just pointing out that pretty much ever major developer has tales of horror. Nintendo fired a dude because he dared to speak about the fact that some games don't get translated because they don't sell well: http://kotaku.com/nintendo-fires-employee-for-speaking-on-podcast-1723906717 Valve's bonus structure has caused devs to leave because it discourages game development. Hell, it's kinda become a joke in the industry how bad things are at every developer: http://kotaku.com/5940672/pissed-off-employees-bash-pretty-much-every-major-video-game-company I'm not here to defend game companies, Chris or Sandi. I just share my opinion and try to cite any sources for points I bring up.
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Truga posted:I'm not even joking, carebear is a banned word on rsi.com forums Still catching up. Just wanted to point out this is true. I was banned for referring to the "PvP slider" as the "Carebear Handle." It was a joke, but Shart Shitizens don't understand what joy is.
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comatose posted:Your head is bobbing around so fast you get motion sickness and barf all over the apples/water Well yeah, I really like apples However I would never bob for apples with a Rift on, barf city
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So is the Galaxy Server in 64 bit and the instance itself in 32 bit? If that's the case then aren't things identical from the user experience as they were in earlier versions of AC, and at large distances within an instance stuff will begin to shudder? Has that happened? EDIT: Or is the idea that there is a 32 bit bubble around the player and anything outside that bubble is positioned with 64 bit so that it stays still? Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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I liked it better when we were posting things measured in bites rather than bits.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So is the Galaxy Server in 64 bit and the instance itself in 32 bit? If that's the case then aren't things identical from the user experience as they were in earlier versions of AC, and at large distances within an instance stuff will begin to shudder? Has that happened? According to the video on the previous page, anything not inside of a station or a ship (called the local zone/grid) is represented in 64-bit space. Ship positions, the positions of stations, NPCs, players. Anything inside of a ship or station (I don't know how this is represented in game, maybe a rect?) has 32-bit precision for its location and the positional information is sent relative to the local grid (interior of that ship or station). Guessing here: This happens to explain one of the issues people have been seeing where they drift into a local zone (like inside of a ship without properly entering it) and then suddenly appear to be thousands of kilometers away (as their 64-bit local is incorrectly moved from global-relative to local-relative). It also explained why earlier versions, when you saw that bug, the client would crash after a few seconds. It looks like that was this bug.
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peter gabriel posted:Well yeah, I really like apples Would this be virtually bobbing for apples with the rift, or bobbing for real apples while wearing a Rift? If so, what would the Rift be showing? Why do I care about this?
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Public speaker extraordinaire will be present at The Game Awards and showing off a new trailer for his human/grouper hybrid simulator. https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/672218506511912960
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I didn't come here to learn. I came to poo poo on people that have dropped 50k on jpegs and Karl. Can we get back to the real issues here? Like does Sandi make Chris get waxed?
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Unfortunately nothing interesting has happened for a while. We're reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel in here, arguing about 32/64bit grids and telling Octopode to shutup. Please someone do something funny soon.  Anyone checked Reddit for some outrageous mental illness?
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Would this be virtually bobbing for apples with the rift, or bobbing for real apples while wearing a Rift? If so, what would the Rift be showing? Why do I care about this? I was thinking you could do both maybe, I dunno
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Also  at you software nerds with your crappy 32bit and 64bit nonsense. HDL for life.
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peter gabriel posted:I was thinking you could do both maybe, I dunno So virtually bobbing for REAL apples. This is definitely something Star Citizen should add in one of their next stretch goals.
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Loiosh posted:According to the video on the previous page, anything not inside of a station or a ship (called the local zone/grid) is represented in 64-bit space. Ship positions, the positions of stations, NPCs, players. Is it like when you get a new fish for a tropical tank and you get the fish in a plastic bag and have to put the fish and the bag in the tank so they float around until the water reaches the right temperature then you can let the fish out of the bag? In this example the fish is an object, the plastic bag is 32 bit and the tank is 64 bit
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The room is 64bit, the tank is 32bit and the bowl is the ship grid.
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