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What ever happened to Tom Nguyen? I liked his inks on Mahnke's pencils. Heck, I liked the one time I saw his own pencil work. Is he still in the industry?
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Teenage Fansub posted:Having your favorite comics on the knife's edge of cancellation is an exciting way to live! Wasn't this the situation in the late 90's with near-bankrupt Marvel, right before it came back and became the juggernaut it is now?
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Nov 30, 2015 20:39
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They weren't really on the knife's edge, most of them got canceled outright despite extremely healthy sales. One particularly egregious example was Ghost Rider not being allowed to publish its final issue that wrapped everything up, despite selling fine, because it wasn't selling SO fine that the minimum amount of profit was a 100% guarantee. Marvel couldn't risk the possibility of a bad month.
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Lurdiak posted:Most of Marvel's seminal creators were old-ish men, and some of them were John Byrne and Frank Miller, who have serious hangups that cannot be blamed on their age. "Sad list, isn't it? Further proof of what I have always said: too many (male) writers seem able to think of only two things to do with female characters -- rape 'em or knock 'em up. The dead ones might be the lucky ones. At least I made Wonder Woman MORE powerful. That's one ... " --J. Byrne
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Uthor posted:I'm betting Mark Millar's response of "at least the sexual aspects of the violence aren't exploitative" was written before he literally "booby trapped" a minor character's vagina after impregnating her with her brother's sperm. I think it should read "[...rape is a rare thing in comics] and that's something I'll try my best to turn around"
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RandallODim posted:Also, Mark Waid's response is, as might be expected, great. Mark Waid posted:In fact, one of the only reasons I still hang on to FLASH is because I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the moment I walk, the next guy's gonna drop a safe on Linda Park's head before my last voucher's been paid.
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Dec 1, 2015 13:07
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Cyphoderus posted:Did this happen? Not really. She did get pregnant and then lost the kids, however they got better.
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Dec 1, 2015 16:03
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Cyphoderus posted:Did this happen? It didn't happen instantly but guess who doesn't exist anymore?
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Dec 1, 2015 22:14
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ImpAtom posted:It didn't happen instantly but guess who doesn't exist anymore? Hey neither does Wally West!
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Dec 1, 2015 22:18
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Wally does exist, he's just a disgruntled urban youth with no speed powers.
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TwoPair posted:Wally does exist, he's just a disgruntled urban youth with no speed powers. We do not speak of that.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:12
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TwoPair posted:Wally does exist, he's just a disgruntled urban youth with no speed powers. Whaaaa? Please explain.
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Dec 2, 2015 23:04
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Unmature posted:Whaaaa? Please explain. Iris is black so Wally is black and his father left so he fell in with a bad crowd. They seem to have aborted the whole speedster and sidekick thing as a super fast running ex-con black guy who needs a white father figure to put him on the right path is like racism bingo.
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Dec 3, 2015 00:07
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SirDan3k posted:Iris is black so Wally is black and his father left so he fell in with a bad crowd. They seem to have aborted the whole speedster and sidekick thing as a super fast running ex-con black guy who needs a white father figure to put him on the right path is like racism bingo. I thought Iris was only black in the TV show (where Wally's her long-lost little brother)? I read a bunch of the Manapul Flash and she was definitely a white chick in that.
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Dec 3, 2015 00:10
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Yeah comic Iris is white and her cousin Wally is black.
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Sorry, that was a brain fart confusing the show and the book.
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Dec 3, 2015 01:08
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Wally being black seems like it would've been whatever and maybe even a positive thing for DC's ever-ailing diversity, but making all these other changes to the character is... well, why even use the name at that point?
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Dec 3, 2015 02:48
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"Wally is black" is fine, it's just like the decided "Wally is black" must go hand-in-hand with both making a completely new character and making that character a giant checklist of stereotypes.
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Dec 3, 2015 02:52
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ImpAtom posted:"Wally is black" is fine, it's just like the decided "Wally is black" must go hand-in-hand with both making a completely new character and making that character a giant checklist of stereotypes. "You want to make Wally West black? Okay, that's fine. What gang is he in?" --An editor at DC, probably
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Dec 3, 2015 03:57
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Is Miles Morales the only black character who's never been arrested or in the military? (And even he got pseudo drafted in that Ultimates crossover no one actually read)
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Dec 3, 2015 07:40
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Jon Stewart used to be an architect so give Miles time.
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Dec 3, 2015 09:02
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Skwirl posted:Is Miles Morales the only black character who's never been arrested or in the military? (And even he got pseudo drafted in that Ultimates crossover no one actually read) Lunella Lafayette (Moon Girl) hasn't been arrested or drafted yet. But it's only #1 and she's 12, so plenty of time. Monica Rambeau too was neither I think. Tanya Spears (new Power Girl), if she still exists. Selah Burke (Sun Girl). Misty Knight at least was never in the military. But then the question is if black women fall into the same stereotype or if it is only black men (I thought I could bring up Blue Marvel as counterpoint, but he was of course a Marine). Eden Fesi (Manifold), but he's not African-American. Same with Black Panther (who surely was arrested here and there over the last 50 years of history).
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Decius posted:Lunella Lafayette (Moon Girl) hasn't been arrested or drafted yet. But it's only #1 and she's 12, so plenty of time. Monica Rambeau too was neither I think. Tanya Spears (new Power Girl), if she still exists. Selah Burke (Sun Girl). Misty Knight at least was never in the military. But then the question is if black women fall into the same stereotype or if it is only black men (I thought I could bring up Blue Marvel as counterpoint, but he was of course a Marine). Eden Fesi (Manifold), but he's not African-American. Same with Black Panther (who surely was arrested here and there over the last 50 years of history). Prodigy? Synch, Alex from the Runaways... of course, these are both also minors. I'm sort of stumped coming up with any adult black men who don't have either of those things in their backstory. I want to say Night Thrasher but that might just be because I'm too ignorant about Night Thrasher to know what's happened in his backstory. Mr. Terrific?
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Both Monica Rambeau and Misty Knight were cops. Considering that the characters were created before the US military allowed women into combat-oriented roles, I'd argue that cop or enlisted nurse were about as close as you could get to making them soldiers (or sailors, etc.). e: Blade? Does he have incarceration of the military in his backstory? e2: J. J. Thunder? Probably a number of Milestone heroes. Here's a bonus round: Black characters who grew up with two non-abusive parents alive and present in their lives. Squizzle fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 10:15
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Cop is definitely a "one of the good ones" card in fiction. Nurse is one too. Doctor isn't because it means they are uppity and make too much money.
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Dec 3, 2015 13:44
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SirDan3k posted:Cop is definitely a "one of the good ones" card in fiction. Nurse is one too. Doctor isn't because it means they are uppity and make too much money. 
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Dec 3, 2015 13:48
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Today I learned brassiere is not spelled brazier.
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I don't think Mr. Terrific falls into a lot of black stereotypes. With someone like T'Challa you get the feeling the writers made him a super-genius with infinite resources and Wakanda the most advanced nation on Earth to sort of... compensate their being African. The same could be happening to Michael Holt being black and the third smartest dude on the planet with 14 PhDs, but I don't know, I don't get the overcompensating vibe from him. I think people do a good job as portraying him as loving smart "and" black, instead of "but". One thing that always bummed me is Storm not being allowed to be African. She's totally a Kenyan weather goddess! Except she's actually from Harlem. Goddamn it, Claremont, you were doing so well in breaking away from the "every person who saves the universe is American" problem 
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Dec 3, 2015 14:17
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Jerry Cotton posted:Today I learned brassiere is not spelled brazier. Doctor Strange keeps his sanctum lit with a chandelier festooned with burning bras. Dude's a swinger.
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Cyphoderus posted:With someone like T'Challa you get the feeling the writers made him a super-genius with infinite resources and Wakanda the most advanced nation on Earth to sort of... compensate their being African. I read Wakanda as intentionally a fictionalization of the Ethiopian Empire, with the religious/cultural riches pulp-fictioned into super-technology and super-resources (vibranium, mostly), and the isolationist self-sufficiency turned up so high that even the Ethiopic Church and Solomonic dynasty get swapped for a native-born religion which confers legitimacy to the ruler. (And the Lion of Judah motif is swapped for a panther.)
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Cyphoderus posted:I don't think Mr. Terrific falls into a lot of black stereotypes. With someone like T'Challa you get the feeling the writers made him a super-genius with infinite resources and Wakanda the most advanced nation on Earth to sort of... compensate their being African. I always read Wakanda as a kind of subversive dig at British imperialism and the kind of Euro-centric view of history and the word "Civilization". Wakanda flourished because it was isolated and strong during the British and Euro countries "colonizing" Africa and "Taming the savages." By any historical context most African nations had functional, yet different, society than Euro nations and were flourishing but imperialism and colonization created an unlevel playing field creating poverty and host of other problems ("inter-tribe" fighting, foreign entities controlling resources, etc etc) that would not have existed had say no Euro nation had colonized them, like if a whole nation hid from the white devils, like Wakanda.
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Squizzle posted:Both Monica Rambeau and Misty Knight were cops. Considering that the characters were created before the US military allowed women into combat-oriented roles, I'd argue that cop or enlisted nurse were about as close as you could get to making them soldiers (or sailors, etc.). Miles Morales again, of course his mom dies relatively early in his comic, but that's pretty common for any character that's a minor.
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trashbuilder posted:I always read Wakanda as a kind of subversive dig at British imperialism and the kind of Euro-centric view of history and the word "Civilization". Wakanda flourished because it was isolated and strong during the British and Euro countries "colonizing" Africa and "Taming the savages." By any historical context most African nations had functional, yet different, society than Euro nations and were flourishing but imperialism and colonization created an unlevel playing field creating poverty and host of other problems ("inter-tribe" fighting, foreign entities controlling resources, etc etc) that would not have existed had say no Euro nation had colonized them, like if a whole nation hid from the white devils, like Wakanda. Ethiopia remained independent throughout the "scramble for Africa"! 
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Squizzle posted:Ethiopia remained independent throughout the "scramble for Africa"! Then the Italians had to come and gently caress that up later on. Also, I don't think Maggott was in the army or arrested, but seriously, gently caress Maggott.
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Skwirl posted:Miles Morales again, of course his mom dies relatively early in his comic, but that's pretty common for any character that's a minor. And his dad infiltrated a gang for Nick Fury.
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trashbuilder posted:I always read Wakanda as a kind of subversive dig at British imperialism and the kind of Euro-centric view of history and the word "Civilization". Wakanda flourished because it was isolated and strong during the British and Euro countries "colonizing" Africa and "Taming the savages." By any historical context most African nations had functional, yet different, society than Euro nations and were flourishing but imperialism and colonization created an unlevel playing field creating poverty and host of other problems ("inter-tribe" fighting, foreign entities controlling resources, etc etc) that would not have existed had say no Euro nation had colonized them, like if a whole nation hid from the white devils, like Wakanda. I love Wakanda to death, but I really, really doubt this kind of thinking went into its creation. We're talking about 1966 here, Fantastic Four #52. Early FF thrived on character moments and Kirby's art; the Marvel Universe itself at the time (especially the part that interacted with the FF) was of secondary importance, hardly more than a patchwork collection of pulp action ideas and springboards. I really think Wakanda was just Lee and Kirby getting a kick out of surprising their characters and readers with the contrast between half-naked, tribal-dancing people and ultra technology.
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Is there a defined point where Wakanda became the ultra-advanced and undefeatable nation they are now? Was it always like that?
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As I've said before, Wakanda is like if we found an ultra advanced technology nation of American Indians who dressed in magic metal breechclouts and used laser bow and arrows.
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Rhyno posted:Is there a defined point where Wakanda became the ultra-advanced and undefeatable nation they are now? Was it always like that? It was always ultra-advanced; its very first appearance is when an emissary of T'Challa comes to the Baxter Building to invite the FF there. After they say yes, the guy contacts Wakanda with what is basically a video cellphone, which makes even Reed Richards dumbfounded. They're also pictured as well armed and prepared to fight from the get-go by repelling Ulysses Klaw's invasions. Cyphoderus fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Cyphoderus posted:. I don't know when being a military superpower became an important part of Wakanda's identity. This is what I was after, when exactly did this happen is what I want to narrow down. Other than Priest and Hickman few writers have ever done it justice.
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