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I think one of the people on the Kash vote is scum. I thought Chic was scum yesterday and my instinct would be to go after that with the thought that she was protecting/covering Keane when she started in on me, but that just seems way to obvious. My original thought is Ecco because of the reasons I stated earlier, but she is claiming vig. I'm willing to believe that claim once she breaks her code. So the only person left is Tomm and reading over his history, I could see him being scum. This post in particular is pretty bad: Tommunist posted:The chic-TMM stuff was pretty obnoxious but its all a matter of ~perception~ i guess. Especially the end where he says he is not going to vote for a claimed 3P but instead would consider anyone who voted for Jake.
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TMMadman posted:I think one of the people on the Kash vote is scum. Mafia edit - Also, it's hard to go after Chic when she has been replaced by Asiina, so obviously I can't ask Asiina why Chic did what she did yesterday.
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I remembered at bar trivia (tenth place ugh) that I have volleyball tomorrow night with copious drinking after, so, friday I guess. I should be around for that deadline at least.TMMadman posted:I'm willing to believe that claim once she breaks her code. lol TMMadman posted:Also, since you have now claimed, go ahead and show your work on your code. what if I told you I can't break the code, but that it shouldn't matter for one really obvious reason? tmm scum 2015. okay goodnight and goodbye for now!!
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##vote tommunist I was happy with my vote last night and today's effort is poor.Tommunist posted:Re-reading through people/ the thread, but kinda cooling of CPig as scum, not so keen on kashuno, but gonna fully re-read him, havn't read ecco/TTM so gonna have a looksies aat them. I really have to wonder what your process is when you decide to re-read people because this last bit seems to imply you do on a need-to-know basis as in "they seem like they're in hot water might as well wander my vote over that way". Tommunist posted:a) gotta let u know doe~~~ How/why would you go back to Kash if you're not feeling the vote? Would it just so you can have a vote somewhere? You seem to lack all conviction on your play and I feel it stems because you're not motivated to actually hunt for scum because you are in fact one. Feel free to address my previous case on you too if you like, since it still stands.
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EccoRaven posted:realtalk hard to tell since a lot of people are lurking but I'm kinda feeling TMM right now but I don't think I can muster a case right now since it can too easily be dismissed as "TMM being TMM" (which is one of those Bad Reasons to dismiss cases but people love them so). I will try to do so this evening I guess. EccoRaven posted:it's more than that I don't see his play around Keane OR chix coming from a sincere place. it's feeling like he's forcing himself to do stuff that he tends to do as town or scum BUT he's artificially amping it up, which I'm interpreting as coming from scum insecurity. These small build up's to TMM are interesting because if Ecco concedes they're not strong indicators of anything but he says them anyway. Like they're precursors to an attempted build-up to a vote on TMM. Ecco later does this again say he's got gut feelings on Kash. I've never been convinced about Kash's scumminess this game, and though I can be still be proved wrong, I do think he was likely the scum push other than Jake. Note that Tom and Ecco both voted Kash and both were missing from deadline and in my mind could feel comfortable doing so since they had nothing to lose. As scum it's to their advantage to lose the survivor and if worst comes to worst sheer numbers would've pushed people towards the next highest candidate. Assuming that neither Tom or Kash would vote themselves they'd of gotten a no-execution which also works to their advantage. Looking back at Tommunist's comments that he's now going to read Ecco, it seems to comes from a place that he was ignoring Ecco because they could be scum together. I think that the could both definitely be scum independently but I certainly see how they could be scum together too frankly. More sure about Tommunist at this moment.
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CCKeane posted:Hello I am a condom I am a doctor. This is oddly specific so it's possible that the scum got fake claims. This is a very Keane joke though so it could just be that. CCKeane posted:Ecco I'm just going to ignore your poppycock. People should read Keane's back and forth with PMush and Ecco about Ecco's turbo vote. This comes right before TMM gets on him about claiming doctor. Keane never accuses Ecco on anything while giving him the space to air out any suspicions PMush could have. It starts more or less around here. CCKeane posted:Joke phase can be found right here *places hand on Tommunist's chest* Keane's interaction with Tommunist after tommunist laments joke-phase. Note his other interactions at this point were with PMush on her suspicion on Ecco and his back-forth with TMM. Afterwards he talks a bit with Jake after laying his vote down safely on him. It's notable who Keane talked to and didn't because he didn't talk to many people. Keane was pretty present in game too so those choices were deliberate. His interactions with TMM and Jake are functional around voting and defense, but he seems to talk Pmush down from suspicions towards Ecco and otherwise joke and acknowledges with Ecco and Tommunist in thread quite specifically. I honestly think the keane-vidence is more strongly stacked against Ecco. And since we know Keane was scum I feel more certain voting this: ##vote Eccotheraven
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EccoRaven posted:gut + some early bad posts he made towards me + his support of the jake vote (a bad vote remember!) + thinking last night while drunk and tired that it'd be a hassle to actually get a vote on him going since I don't have the time or effort to parse through all his posts and make a case and I figured worst case he dies and flips town so who cares whatever. vOv This is the most reasonable and honest you've seemed to be all game but it's contradictory. You voted Kash last night. You never once gave any inclination that you'd vote Keane. Kash also voted Jake. Did you just figure you could get a case on Kash going? Note that you never actually cased Kashuno, you just piggy-backed Asiina's work. Any other person would've just figured you'd of vigged Kash.
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EccoRaven posted:
haha wow this is bad ##vote ecco
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When did Ecco become EccoRaven? Wasn't it Eccotheraven or have I been hallucinating for the 2 years?
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I thought the same thing but I don't think "the" was ever actually I'm there and was just a weird brain association
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EccoRaven posted:what if I told you I can't break the code, but that it shouldn't matter for one really obvious reason? So are you saying that you put an unbreakable code into the game? Because I feel that's against the spirit of the game. I'm not really good with codes, so I don't even try to break them really. I barely even have the patience to do single substitution cryptograms. However, you're the one that put the code into the game and it appears to be directly related to your role. Now you've claimed your role, so your only choice here is to show your work, break your code and prove it.
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 Doing a claim in an encrypted code is as universal of breach of the rules as posting your role PM
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D1:EccoRaven posted:voting for a survivor is dumb but Jake needs to prove he's a survivor or else he is probably scum. D2: EccoRaven posted:yeah tmm you led the jake vote yesterday which was a Very Bad Vote since it was on a not-scum and had I been around I'd have told you all it was bad. EccoRaven posted:gut + some early bad posts he made towards me + his support of the jake vote (a bad vote remember!) + thinking last night while drunk and tired that it'd be a hassle to actually get a vote on him going since I don't have the time or effort to parse through all his posts and make a case and I figured worst case he dies and flips town so who cares whatever. vOv I feel like Ecco's story is inconsistent. On D1, he was at least open to the idea that Jake might be scum. But then on D2 he's trying to sell himself as someone who was staunchly against the vote on Jake, and that if only he was here would he have talked us out of it. He implies that the reason TMM is scum is that he was leading the charge on Jake, even though me/Taste/Pig (off the top of my head) were also very much in on it. Also, the thought process used to rationalize vigging Keane doesn't sound like it came from someone who didn't know Keane's alignment. If he didn't have time to make a case/parse through his posts, why vig him over someone he was accusing of being scum D1? If his reaction to possibly vigging town is "who cares whatever" then why hassle TMM about Very Bad Play? ##vote Ecco
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Kashuno posted:Normally I'd unvote since we have over a day until deadline and ecco is at -2, but Ecco's reaction is so poor that I think it's fine to just lynch her now. I just realized I hosed up pronouns in my last post - sorry Ecco! 
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Kashuno posted:Normally I'd unvote since we have over a day until deadline and ecco is at -2, but Ecco's reaction is so poor that I think it's fine to just lynch her now. I feel much the same way, but I actually am going to urge someone to remove their vote for the moment because other people haven't checked in. If, by some miracle, Ecco is town then I'd really hate to give scum an easy turbo for the day. However, I am not going to be the one to remove my vote because I feel like if I remove it, then I'm going to get hit with a 'If you're so gung ho about Ecco, why are you holding off' line of attack. Even if I clearly explained that I'm only removing my vote to avoid a turbo.
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Kashuno posted:That post hurts me so bad TMM To be fair, I thought your post was pretty scummy since it's essentially advocating for a turbo on an unknown player. We don't have a cop result on Ecco, so we are still just guessing. You know I don't like turbos without a cop result.
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TMMadman posted:So Ecco, who did you guys try to kill last night? TMMadman posted:To be fair, I thought your post was pretty scummy since it's essentially advocating for a turbo on an unknown player. We don't have a cop result on Ecco, so we are still just guessing. uggggh.
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I told you I'm not the cop. I am exactly who I said I am here:TMMadman posted:Here, I'll make this easy since I'm not under any real pressure, this is my claim:
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Kashuno posted:Normally I'd unvote since we have over a day until deadline and ecco is at -2, but Ecco's reaction is so poor that I think it's fine to just lynch her now. TMMadman posted:I feel much the same way, but I actually am going to urge someone to remove their vote for the moment because other people haven't checked in. If, by some miracle, Ecco is town then I'd really hate to give scum an easy turbo for the day. TMMadman posted:To be fair, I thought your post was pretty scummy since it's essentially advocating for a turbo on an unknown player. We don't have a cop result on Ecco, so we are still just guessing. You feel the same [that it's fine if we lynch ecco now] but at the same time advocate that we don't do so. You came out swinging today, confident your vote on ecco was strong and immediately called her out as scum. Her play since then has not been very town, and people are starting to agree with you, and you don't want to keep pushing it and are now even positing the idea she may be town. Your reasoning for not unvoting ecco yourself is really self conscious and bothers the gently caress out of me. ##unvote for now. Also as a semantics point I don't really think this is a turbo.
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You are all really, really flipping dumb.TMMadman posted:Now you've claimed your role, so your only choice here is to show your work, break your code and prove it. I am going to prove my role! Right here: AnonymousNarcotics posted:CCKeane, scum-aligned goon, was killed N1!  Or, alternatively, look at where the numbers/letters are situated on a qwerty keyboard and shift your fingers down one row and to the right one or two keys. get rid of the asterisks and hyphens - that's just noise. d7*r7*iqg*42-k5* ri vigilante .ygl wait .ygl??? what does that mean??? secrets, because I haven't actually claimed yet! ===== I think the chances are like 80% good that at least one of the players who just snapped at me (for no good reason) is scum. They were so, so, so close to straight-up fakeclaiming that they killed keane but you guys had to go full not-smart an hour before I walk out the door and so I'm showing part of my hand now. The rest are just very, very dumb town. Because let's actually be reasonable for a second - keane dies. I claim to have killed keane. Nobody actually counterclaims that information. The position you all need to be in is "well, if nobody counterclaims, I kinda have to assume ecco is telling the truth?? since you know keane did die and all????" 100YrsofAttitude posted:Note that Tom and Ecco both voted Kash and both were missing from deadline and in my mind could feel comfortable doing so since they had nothing to lose. you know very well I have a new job. Tuesday nights (among other nights) require my active attention from the mid-afternoon to late at night - I didn't get home until around three hours after the deadline. I didn't have the time to even check the thread, let alone read posts and coordinate my vote (all on my phone). I think you bringing this up as a point against me is really lovely because it's unfair and not at all an indicator of alignment either way. I mentioned my suspicions on TMM yesterday because I got a scummy feeling from his posts. I killed Keane over him though because honestly I think it wouldn't be too difficult to get a vote going against TMM, because regardless of his alignment he tends to put his foot in his mouth and talk himself into a noose, and vig-kills should be for the harder sells. Keane pinged my gut but I didn't have anything substantive to show for it, and short of me actually rolling up my sleeves and making a case out of his jokeposts I didn't see it reasonable the town would vote for him anytime soon. I mean let's be clear here what do you think was my gameplan from this? State my (expressly unpersuasive) feelings on TMM, hoping that Keane (my scumbuddy?) would die so I could then make my case stronger against TMM to justify a vote for him? 100YrsofAttitude posted:As scum it's to their advantage to lose the survivor and if worst comes to worst sheer numbers would've pushed people towards the next highest candidate. Assuming that neither Tom or Kash would vote themselves they'd of gotten a no-execution which also works to their advantage. Survivors are weird alignments and the kneejerk town response to them is almost always unhelpful. Game stuff not aside, again, I wasn't around for the deadline. I would have been not around for the deadline regardless of my alignment. It's lovely that you're using this against me. 100YrsofAttitude posted:I honestly think the keane-vidence is more strongly stacked against Ecco. I don't think so but it's funny you mentioned the "poppycock" post because it was what initially made me think "I should kill keane." He talked at me but he completely dismissed what I was saying in a way that pinged my gut (correctly!) as scummy. What you view as disarming PMush (why would keane need to do that? PMush had a bad suspicion early on day 1, even _I_ forgot about it), I view as Keane being scummy by keeping aloof from the game. 100YrsofAttitude posted:This is the most reasonable and honest you've seemed to be all game but it's contradictory. You voted Kash last night. You never once gave any inclination that you'd vote Keane. Kash also voted Jake. Did you just figure you could get a case on Kash going? Note that you never actually cased Kashuno, you just piggy-backed Asiina's work. Any other person would've just figured you'd of vigged Kash. 100 Years of Attitude I am wondering: do you think I didn't kill keane? Because, surprise, I did! I shot him dead, and he flipped scum. I had my reasons (and you admit in this post they're "reasonable and honest"), and I had reasons for not wanting to kill Kash or TMM instead (because while I also thought they were scummy, the former because of Asiina's case verbalizing my gut, the latter for reasons I've explained already, I figured it'd be easier to just vote them out, rather than keane who I didn't see getting voted out without some effort). Kashuno posted:haha wow this is bad ##vote ecco this is a very bad vote fyi. Like let's say we did live in a world where it was an "UNBREAKABLE CODE OH NOOO"; how does that make me lying scum? Kashuno double-down on it a moment later, too. I'm liking TMM and Kashuno for scum and I'm hoping you all agree with me here. apropos of nothing: 100YrsofAttitude posted:When did Ecco become EccoRaven? Wasn't it Eccotheraven or have I been hallucinating for the 2 years? Kashuno posted:I thought the same thing but I don't think "the" was ever actually I'm there and was just a weird brain association another aside: JakeP posted:
I literally wrote the rules dead survivor. Murmur Twin posted:But then on D2 he's trying to sell himself as someone who was staunchly against the vote on Jake, and that if only he was here would he have talked us out of it. It became obvious reading the thread when I got home from work that JakeP was either a survivor or really, really bad scum. I would have talked you guys away from him had I been around. of course woulda, coulda, shouldas and all that, but I'm just stating how I feel and what I'd've said had I been around - you're welcome not to believe me, but do so for reasons other than "it'd be SO CONVENIENT for ecco to be lying" please. Murmur Twin posted:He implies that the reason TMM is scum is that he was leading the charge on Jake, even though me/Taste/Pig (off the top of my head) were also very much in on it.  It was a scummy vote and more than one player could have been scummy for it. But I am feeling most strongly about TMM right now.Murmur Twin posted:Also, the thought process used to rationalize vigging Keane doesn't sound like it came from someone who didn't know Keane's alignment. If he didn't have time to make a case/parse through his posts, why vig him over someone he was accusing of being scum D1? If his reaction to possibly vigging town is "who cares whatever" then why hassle TMM about Very Bad Play? quote:thinking last night while drunk and tired
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for the record ecco I didn't vote you because the code was labeled as "unbreakable," it's because that post was really really lame and weak defense. I also think it's weird that you assume TMM and I are scum together. That said, in light of recent events TMM is bothering me a lot more than ecco.
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I have access to a computer to post in the narrow window between waking and walking out the door I am drat sure I'll typetypetype while I can. Kashuno posted:for the record ecco I didn't vote you because the code was labeled as "unbreakable," it's because that post was really really lame and weak defense. I also think it's weird that you assume TMM and I are scum together. and literally right now I am heading to the bathroom to begin the very long process of getting ready for the day and then immediately driving to work because this game is gonna make me ~5 minutes late on my first week hooray
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EccoRaven posted:I mean let's be clear here what do you think was my gameplan from this? State my (expressly unpersuasive) feelings on TMM, hoping that Keane (my scumbuddy?) would die so I could then make my case stronger against TMM to justify a vote for him? In a world where you're scum, I'd assume your plan was to drop the "vigilante" code at the start of the game, vig a scumbro, take credit for it knowing no one would counterclaim you, and then try to ride town credit to the end of the game. It would also explain the lack of a town NK. That said, it's tough to just blanket assume that at this point, so I'm fine exploring other avenues since there's plenty of time before deadline. ##unvote
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Murmur Twin posted:In a world where you're scum, I'd assume your plan was to drop the "vigilante" code at the start of the game, vig a scumbro, take credit for it knowing no one would counterclaim you, and then try to ride town credit to the end of the game. It would also explain the lack of a town NK. Mafia edit for clarity: when I said "vig a scumbro" I meant "NK a scumbro"
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Kashuno posted:That seems like a hell of a gambit though. Not really that much different that Quid killing you in my Scooby Doo game except that Quid did it to fulfill his Usurper win condition.
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TMMadman posted:Not really that much different that Quid killing you in my Scooby Doo game except that Quid did it to fulfill his Usurper win condition. yeah but d1?
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Kashuno posted:I could reasonably accept that if it was n3, or even maybe n2, but as a n1 play that seems hella risky. Why? Vigs usually don't get questioned too hard and people generally just accept that they are town in a small game. And remember, Quid survived for like 4 days after he claimed to have vigged you in that Scooby game and nobody really liked at him twice after it.
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Granted that was slightly different because I did have a Survivor with a NK in the game.
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Asiina posted:Ecco would never, ever do that. Ecco doesn't even believe in bussing, she wouldn't do the ultimate bus of NKing her own scumbro. But that plays into meta argument in that Ecco knows her own meta and thus could be willing to play with that meta. I've been accused of doing the same thing.
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Tommunist posted:I'm going to put down my vote on kashuno for his Jake P, plus the other case on him, would also vote Pig, who seems to be basically lurking, and that seemed to be the tactic he used last time i played scum with him. I'm not going to vote JakeP Tommunist posted:Re-reading through people/ the thread, but kinda cooling of CPig as scum, not so keen on kashuno, but gonna fully re-read him, havn't read ecco/TTM so gonna have a looksies aat them. Tommunist posted:I'm really not getting scum vibes anymore from kashuno, my case on day one was based on not really thinking JakeP was a good vote, but i'm not really seeing JakeP as a bad vote anymore (as well as the other case on him not being amazing) , still need to re-read some other people so might come back to him but for now not getting the kashuno vibes~~ ##vote Tommunist (a) I see the constant promising of reading the game / providing content as a scumtell. (bolded stuff above) (b) If he's not reading the game thoroughly, I find it hard to believe the one updated read he has was that Asii's case on Kash was good on D1 and bad on D2 (italics'ed stuff above)
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