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Changed to Plan Turtle in a couple of pages, but it may change again! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=2599#post453566449 Can we make the portal boost their immune systems a bit?  Hope we're not bringing back any strange diseases, guys! Link to Update
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Question: How much less dangerous is the trip only a month or two away? WhiteOutMouse posted:[b]Perhaps instead of teleport can we make an object that will help us march through the forrest unmolested by mundane and great beasts?
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Dec 7, 2015 03:52
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FoxTerrier posted:Can we make something to make everyone's bodies move faster, or remove their need to sleep for the duration of the journey? Those are both good ideas. Can we do both of these (no need for rest + great beef coconuts), or do we have to pick one thing?
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Dec 7, 2015 03:54
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C - Stargate for everyone
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Dec 7, 2015 03:57
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For the second time, if we take everyone along, we have to deal with... 1: Dangerous monsters. 2: A glacial pace. 3: A lack of food. We can use (NOT MAGIC) to fix ONE AND ONLY ONE OF THESE but we risk.. 4: Being noticed by other horrors. Port the kids back, then head out with as many adults as we can stealthily transport. If we try to save everybody, we won't save anybody.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:05
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Make a mostly-awesome spear for ourselves, and a better-than-blooded-bronze spear for each of our Balls. We knew we couldn't bring all the villagers with us. They know that. We know that. Let's get some useful swag.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:07
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C. Teleport everyone. A flying house would be cool but not discreet.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:08
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canceling my vote for teleport all for now. gently caress, I've got no idea what to do. Edit: how close could we teleport people to the forest that contains zepas monument? Maybe we can make a break for it, and maybe we can convince it to let us take shelter. Two very big maybes. Rahul fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 04:09
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Those are both good ideas. I asked this earlier. He said we had to pick one, sadly. edit: Although, you know what, I never asked exactly how fast it could make us. That could matter. Diog exactly how fast could we make everyone? How quickly could we do the trip if we made something that sped us all up?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:10
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Ask our knowledge: Will we (Enkidel) be stopped from entering Ur? Can we sense Ishamal? Could we make a tool to break the hide of a Hunger Demon as we know it, to free the trapped souls within? Im in favour of partial teleportation, (Plan Stargate). We could always have our fastest runner get to Zepath to call for aid once we arrive there. Swedish Thaumocracy fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 04:11
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Diogines posted:A two month trip is far from Zepath and in the wilderness. Dangerous things dwell there. The fact your group did not die twenty horrible deaths is because you kept moving constantly and used Snarls nose and your ridiculous hearing to avoid anything you could not handle easily enough. This is not compatible with a two month trip of 500+ people. On night one all the bad poo poo is going to come out of the woodwork and eat dozens while dozens more run off to who knows where. Remember the tunnel the Bnaimokt fled under after Ibleam? When kids scattered after a Xviv(?) popped out of the wall and Paebel almost died and we got badly injured? That's going to be every night for two months. We can't do it!
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Dec 7, 2015 04:15
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Can we Send the amalikites home, and we and the balls remain here to further wreck the giant's poo poo?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:17
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Also to people suggesting we send the people home without escort; No one but us knows their language. They don't know anyone there. Tudiya might look favourably on the children but I doubt the rest of the people could expect such a treatment without us there to vouch for them.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:19
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So what, we send the kids and ourselves home? Leave the adults? or maybe just send the kids and walk ourselves home?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:20
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Amazed posted:Can we What about hold off for now and try to gather more poo poo to close the distance?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:21
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Anyone who doesn't get teleporter will die. Two months for the giant to get back, another month for him to go back and gather troops and help, then a third month for the raiding party to get back to our starting point. At best we have 5 months before someone or something comes after us. If we don't teleport they will be able to follow us somehow. They have well blooded giants and demons that can push our poo poo in, it's probable they can follow us via talking to beasts or something like that. If anyone walks we'll lead them right back to Zepath. If anyone stays they'll be tortured and they'll know it was us. We all need to disappear or its all for naught.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:26
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When the "hold your breath/charge the lighting/shoot at the dodgy giant yet again" moment happens, it will be this quote that was the flashing red, oft repeated sign that clearly said this is a terrible loving idea:quote:A two month trip is far from Zepath and in the wilderness. Dangerous things dwell there. The fact your group did not die twenty horrible deaths is because you kept moving constantly and used Snarls nose and your ridiculous hearing to avoid anything you could not handle easily enough.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:28
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Also to people suggesting we send the people home without escort; No one but us knows their language. They don't know anyone there. Tudiya might look favourably on the children but I doubt the rest of the people could expect such a treatment without us there to vouch for them.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:29
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Can we give all adults presently here mighty man strength?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:32
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Teleporting is our best option honestly. Yeah, we are probably going to lose some people on the way back, but we can send one of our balls ahead of us to run and get some supplies or at least a mighty man or two to help us out. At least this way we will be out of range of the masters of this land. And who knows, maybe El will help us out some more once we are closer to home where we won't draw the attention to other greater beings.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:34
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I'm having third thoughts. I think this could be one of those there is no correct answer problems. I'm thinking the smartest this would be to teleport with just the kids back to Zepath and tell the adults to March west as fast as they can and hope they are all killed before the giants catch up with them.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:37
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How much further could we teleport everyone if we added our bow and/or sandals as fuel? What if we added Tudiya's shield?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:38
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Task Manager posted:
Otoh, it sounds like our best shot and A Man Does Not Quit Before Hardship. Plan Stargate. Glad I caught up the last twenty pages before this vote closed!
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Dec 7, 2015 04:38
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I am gone for the night. I will get to more questions and leave an appropriate amount of time before the next update.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:39
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Task Manager posted:
This post is literally a man quitting before hardship.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:42
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And if we decide to go the teleport everybody, ourselves included route, I'm not super worried about the monsters. We know that a) We are getting teleported past the hyrdragorgolisk. Diogines posted:Would the "teleport all" take us past that hydra artist thing? We can probably personally flap our way there in a couple days to get aid from the entire city of Zepath if we need it. c)The area the group will be traveling in doesn't really suffer from severe monster attacks, thanks to us. Diogines posted:***stuff about the watchtowers***
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Dec 7, 2015 04:45
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I feel like we need to think more outside the box for this vote. Too tired and not high enough for any ideas though.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:46
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:I feel like we need to think more outside the box for this vote. Too tired and not high enough for any ideas though. Quickly! We need more cheetos and  THERE ARE LIVES AT STAKE!
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Dec 7, 2015 04:48
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I think it'd probably be better if we stayed with the group because unless someone else is able to communicate with Snarls well enough to identify dangers in the wild, they'll need us to translate. Sure we might be really fast, but Snarls is going to be more important to survival than ever. Even if the monsters in the wild are known to be scared of us, having tons of people will make us a target, maybe an irresistible one. I think the TP is our best option but any way you slice it, it's gonna hurt.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:49
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:I feel like we need to think more outside the box for this vote. Too tired and not high enough for any ideas though. We can't use a flying temple, we'll get killed by a dragon and can't take it into Ur anyway We can't build a giant tank, same reasons Going underground is presumably suicidal Maybe we could build a giant cannon?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:49
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SKY COQ posted:We can't use a flying temple, we'll get killed by a dragon and can't take it into Ur anyway This gives me a very likely moronic idea: ......Diog can we give everyone wings or otherwise make everyone fly (independently, no transporter)? How quickly/effectively could they fly to Zepath if so?
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Dec 7, 2015 04:50
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Question for diog: how long would the journey from Everfang's land to home take if everybody in the party is riding a wolf? my plan is this, we teleport everybody to everfang tell him he owes us because we had mercy on him. Use his gang of wolves for transport and to supplement our own hunting. Get back to within safe distance of Zepath and walk from there. Kill a roc and present it as a thank you gift to everfang, I'm sure he'll enjoy some "best meat". jazzyhattrick fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 04:52
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I'm voting teleport everyone because even if some people die in the wilderness, their souls will go to Mount Har. If we just teleport the kids and the giants catch up, not only will they wreck our poo poo, they'll reclaim all the people and continue using them to fuel their evil bullshit.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:54
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Hot Dog Day 80 posted:Teleporting is our best option honestly. Yeah, we are probably going to lose some people on the way back, but we can send one of our balls ahead of us to run and get some supplies or at least a mighty man or two to help us out. At least this way we will be out of range of the masters of this land. And who knows, maybe El will help us out some more once we are closer to home where we won't draw the attention to other greater beings. Not some people - most. Including most of our own men when they try to defend against monster attacks every day and every night. We are walking a five star all you can eat buffet right through the middle of a competitive eating contest. Tudiya was apprehensive to help Ibleam with much physical support when we told him the city was DOOMED. This, with Ibleam being what, less than a week away? He's never going to send any sort of substantial attack force one to two months out and leave Zepath at risk. We cannot bank on El always saving us. We have proven time and time again El will not save us from our own stupidity. Chantilly Say posted:Otoh, it sounds like our best shot and A Man Does Not Quit Before Hardship. It's our best shot to save them all, which we have known for a long time now is next to impossible to accomplish. We cannot keep willfully ignoring the cold hard facts and hoping SKY COQ posted:This post is literally a man quitting before hardship. Taken in that way, you're all quitting before hardship because we haven't freed the other 99 cities. What, impossible you say? A Man Does Not Quit Before Hardship! We know what must be done, drat the facts. It's beyond silly to think we can save all these people, and foolish and careless of a man who leads men to even put everyone in such a situation. Sometimes in life you can't save everyone. I am saying let's for sure save 180 kids. That is a noble thing for anyone to do, and I know it can be done with the facts we have. You all are risking all their lives on the hope that deus ex machina intervenes and saves us. It is highly unlikely to occur, and you all know it. You just refuse to accept it.
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Dec 7, 2015 05:07
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Task Manager posted:Taken in that way, you're all quitting before hardship because we haven't freed the other 99 cities.
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Dec 7, 2015 05:11
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Can we make a giant tortoise for us to ride home on?
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Dec 7, 2015 05:14
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There are 180 kids and 407 adults in the village. If we choose to save the kids and march northwest with only the adults then it'll be the forty Balls covering and hunting for a group of refugees ten times their size across unknown, hostile land with at least one demon civilization in front of us and another on potentially nipping at our heels. For 4-6 months. Teleporting everyone outside Zepath leaves the Balls covering and hunting for a group fifteen times their size, but through slightly more well known yet still terribly dangerous land. There will be no demon gods ahead and very, very little chance of pursuit by the giants. For 2 months. I think that choosing to save the kids means forfeiting the lives of the adults. In a best case scenario, we get back to Zepath with only half of them dead, but more likely their numbers will be whittled down to what Uriah originally suggested taking back with us - 25-35 of their fastest and strongest men. Note that Enkidel has lost half of his mena just conquering Gebek - we take more risk to ourselves and to our Balls trekking the long way home. The longer the march, the more will die. Trying to march everyone at once is greedy and will risk the lives of the children, but I think it'll end up saving more lives overall. The caravan will be strung out, and there will be attacks by monsters that kill refuges before the Balls can respond, but I think/hope that what marches into Ur will still be recognizable as a village. In the end, as long as we can make the march without the caravan completely breaking apart, bringing 300/600 people back is a greater victory than bringing 50/400 back to regroup with a bunch of new orphans. There does not seem to be a way to truly save everyone, but those that die on the trail will die free and their souls will go to Mt. Har. Scrree fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 05:14
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What if we raised up Gebek on a tangle of grape vines and semen and walked it home
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Dec 7, 2015 05:16
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One thing I'm pretty sure about: when we get back, Ish is going to need a while to piece together exactly how stupid we are, and we're gonna need a really long nap.
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:I'm voting teleport everyone because even if some people die in the wilderness, their souls will go to Mount Har. If we just teleport the kids Quoted and edited slightly for truth
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