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MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Shifty Pony posted:

Funny to see a selfie stick in pretty much its modern form in a 1980s patent.

I would really like to see the patent for that.

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Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

MRC48B posted:

I would really like to see the patent for that.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Thanks. I found the actual patent if anyone else is interested in some light reading.

Melaneus
Aug 24, 2007

Here to make your dreams and nightmares come true.

MRC48B posted:

I would really like to see the patent for that.



drat, beaten to it

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
:golfclap:

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Yeah that's one of them. There are a number of them actually, most of them from Minolta about the Disk 5 or Disk 7 cameras.

Those used another fun obsolete failed technology - disk film. Instead of a roll of film there was a flat disk which got rotated behind the lens for each exposure. The actual exposure area was really small compared to 35mm film and it relied upon good optics both in the camera and a special higher quality lens element on the print making system at the photo finisher to keep things from looking like poo poo. Of course what happened is that point and shoots naturally gravitated toward the cheapest lens possible and the photo finisher didn't want to bother swapping lens elements so they just cranked the zoom up on their normal lens. As a result the film got a reputation for bad photographs. Combined with the expense of the new patent-protected film system it was a huge flop.

Oh another fun bit about that camera - the part labeled 32 is a small curved and marked mirror set up to let you frame your shot. No do-overs with film!

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JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
I'm sorry, but Pinkey got his patent submitted first, so you're going to owe him royalties if you want to keep using it in your post.

In semi-related news to the last page regarding Amazon:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/12/04/amazon-buys-semi-truck-fleet-to-deliver-packages/?mod=trending_now_1

quote:

The company filed a patent application in 2014, and published in September of this year, envisioning mini-distribution centers run out of semi-trucks stocked with merchandise and stationed in parking lots and other urban areas to help speed deliveries.

http://1.usa.gov/21ztswq

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Creature posted:

In Sweden they have supermarkets where you can pick up a handheld scanner at the door. You scan your groceries as you go, then pay at the end. Seemed like a good system, although I didn't get a chance to try as I couldn't read the instructions. So I assume that's how it works.
The local Stop & Shop has these and after 5 or 6 times in a row being flagged to have my order checked and rescanned by an attendant I gave up and went back to regular registers or self checkout if lines are really long.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


From the last page someone asked why so many differences where there is a standard:

A quote from my grandfather to me when I asked the same question many years ago:

"You know what they say about standards, there's more of them than a lady of the night has had men"

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Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

JediTalentAgent posted:

I'm sorry, but Pinkey got his patent submitted first, so you're going to owe him royalties if you want to keep using it in your post.

The further refinement by Melaneus satisfies the patent application board that it should be granted to him instead. You know, on the proviso we see the test images.

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

Humphreys posted:

From the last page someone asked why so many differences where there is a standard:

A quote from my grandfather to me when I asked the same question many years ago:

"You know what they say about standards, there's more of them than a lady of the night has had men"

I know, xkcd, but it's relevant:

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!

xlevus posted:

The UK still has this with Argos.

With their laminated book of dreams.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Humphreys posted:

From the last page someone asked why so many differences where there is a standard:

A quote from my grandfather to me when I asked the same question many years ago:

"You know what they say about standards, there's more of them than a lady of the night has had men"
"Standards are great, everyone should have one."

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.
I'd rather people document their poo poo well enough to call it a standard than, you know, not, even if everyone still uses their own poo poo most of the time.

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

XKCD strip or not, it's weird that in this age of global trade only ski boots and military shoes are sized by the same system in the UK, US, France, Germany, China and Japan.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

WebDog posted:

It was mentioned earlier, but it's the Panasonic R720 "Toot-A-Loop" portable AM radio.
The idea was that it could be worn on your wrist (this thing isn't that small or light) or you could close it around something like a rail or a bike handlebar. It could also be swung open and free-standing. The dial is for tuning in a station.


These were made around 1966 to 1970 during the age of portable electronics where things were beginning to get miniaturised and cheap. Companies began producing "space-age" or mod inspired radios aimed towards the teen market so many of these things look really pretty and groovy but didn't have much lasting power as they tended to use pretty low-cut quality on their innards.

Another Panasonic radio of the same line.


Here's the cassette recorder of the same era. My sister and I had these actually. Hers was blue, mine was red...

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Wasabi the J posted:

A 1963 advertisement stated: "The welder will fasten together up to six sheets and requires no refills."

Those things are far from being obsolete; just today I processed a stack of order invoices, from which half used one or another stapleless fasteners. Including that "lip through the slip"-system talked earlier.

Horse Clocks
Dec 14, 2004


Kidney Stone posted:

With their laminated book of dreams.
they've redone their stores to use tablets running a slightly better website.

But haven't updated anything else. So you still have to go to the ipad, find what you want, then pay at another machine that's been there since the 90s, and then wait for your poo poo. Which inevitably is broken or wrong.

The entire thing is janky and reeks of code smell.

I think their saving grace is same day delivery with shutl.

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FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

military shoes are sized by the same system in the UK, US, France, Germany, China and Japan.

Since when?

big parcheesi player
Apr 1, 2014

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

Melaneus posted:



drat, beaten to it

I think yours is better, due to un-named reasons.

mystes
May 31, 2006

GWBBQ posted:

The local Stop & Shop has these and after 5 or 6 times in a row being flagged to have my order checked and rescanned by an attendant I gave up and went back to regular registers or self checkout if lines are really long.
Same, although it didn't happen every time to me (it seemed like it would do it only when the store wasn't busy).

It seemed particularly dumb, even as a security measure, because the attendant would only rescan the top 3-4 items, so it wouldn't prevent someone deliberately not scanning stuff or something either, so it just seemed like a deliberate "gently caress you" to people using the system to save time.

Also, you still had to wait in the same line for the self checkout machines, so it didn't save time on the whole.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


drgnwr1 posted:

I think yours is better, due to un-named reasons.

Completely missed it first time around.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tubesock Holocaust posted:

I want this on my nightstand.

I have it on my nightstand. I'd offer it to you, but something heavy got dropped on it a few years ago, the push-to-talk button broke off and the battery compartment cover broke.

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."


The military shoe part admittedly only applies to NATO.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

1000 Brown M and Ms posted:

I know, xkcd, but it's relevant:



This reminds me, do higher end printers still come with a dozen different slots for each type of memory card? For the longest time i had a HP 4400 photo printer and one of the big features you could just bring directly from a card with the printer not going through the computer. Considering most people just use the cameras on their phones, and professionals would use something more high quality than a printer for best buy, I can't see it being a feature that would be popular anymore because digital cameras are pretty dead as consumer electronics.

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli
Not sure about different kinds of memory cards, but lots (most?) printers these days have wifi, which was a pleasant surprise for me when I bought one a year ago. It's nice being able to print directly off my phone.

With wifi you don't really need to use cards in the first place.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Since NATO.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.


My Norwegian army boots had a NATO replacement code, but were marked in Norwegian sizes. It's the same system as most of continental Europe, but certainly not mondopoint. I know they changed the boots a few years after I left, so it's possible the new ones are?

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Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

twistedmentat posted:

This reminds me, do higher end printers still come with a dozen different slots for each type of memory card? For the longest time i had a HP 4400 photo printer and one of the big features you could just bring directly from a card with the printer not going through the computer. Considering most people just use the cameras on their phones, and professionals would use something more high quality than a printer for best buy, I can't see it being a feature that would be popular anymore because digital cameras are pretty dead as consumer electronics.
How do you conclude that? Some of us can still tell that a smartphone camera is garbage. I always use a proper digital camera (not SLR, but not the bottom-tier compact either) for taking decent pictures or videos, like when I'm on holiday, pics of my son, taking pictures of my house, or heck even when putting some junk up for sale, I use a real camera.

It's sickening how most people these days have no sense of aesthetics neither when it comes to picture quality nor photography skill. The selfies you see people post on Facebook that get applauded as a "great picture of you!"..... gently caress. Crooked angle, no proper lighting, terrible smartphone quality... I hate you. (what's that wheelchair granpa smilie?)

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Pilsner posted:

(what's that wheelchair granpa smilie?)

:corsair:

Does this count as a single emoticon reply? :ohdear:

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

Pilsner posted:

How do you conclude that? Some of us can still tell that a smartphone camera is garbage. I always use a proper digital camera (not SLR, but not the bottom-tier compact either) for taking decent pictures or videos, like when I'm on holiday, pics of my son, taking pictures of my house, or heck even when putting some junk up for sale, I use a real camera.

It's sickening how most people these days have no sense of aesthetics neither when it comes to picture quality nor photography skill. The selfies you see people post on Facebook that get applauded as a "great picture of you!"..... gently caress. Crooked angle, no proper lighting, terrible smartphone quality... I hate you. (what's that wheelchair granpa smilie?)

I think most people know that a proper digital camera will always be better than a smartphone camera.

I think you'll find that before phone cameras were a thing most people had no sense of aesthetics nor photography skill either. The difference was that cameras weren't as common (maybe one per household if that) so not as many people actually took photos, and even they took them less often.

Everyone has multiple poo poo cameras and takes photos all the time these days, but you know what? Who gives a gently caress about always taking perfect photos? Sure, they're nice, but it's the memory behind the photo that is the important bit.

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!

xlevus posted:

they've redone their stores to use tablets running a slightly better website.

But haven't updated anything else. So you still have to go to the ipad, find what you want, then pay at another machine that's been there since the 90s, and then wait for your poo poo. Which inevitably is broken or wrong.

The entire thing is janky and reeks of code smell.

I think their saving grace is same day delivery with shutl.

From this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggOa9aSG-Ow

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Pilsner posted:

How do you conclude that? Some of us can still tell that a smartphone camera is garbage. I always use a proper digital camera (not SLR, but not the bottom-tier compact either) for taking decent pictures or videos, like when I'm on holiday, pics of my son, taking pictures of my house, or heck even when putting some junk up for sale, I use a real camera.

Well you're just an unique snowflake, because the small camera market is dwindling and dying. There are some nice ones out there, I love my Fujifilm x100 - but that's a small camera with a big sensor that costs a lot. Inexpensive small cameras with small sensors just don't offer enough optical benefits and have the big disadvantage of not being immediately shareable.

I'm kind of surprised no one's put a zoom lens on a smartphone yet since that is the one place a small point & shoot beats a smartphone. Sony had a neat system where the zoom was built lengthwise on the camera rather than sticking out. I guess it takes too much space and Windows Lumia phones have demonstrated that camera optics rank pretty far down on people's smartphone desires.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Samsung tried that, and it was a complete failure.



Although to be fair, that's more like a camera with a smartphone built in, than a smartphone with a zoom lens.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

KozmoNaut posted:

Samsung tried that, and it was a complete failure.



Although to be fair, that's more like a camera with a smartphone built in, than a smartphone with a zoom lens.

Was it really a phone? Or a mini tablet?

MrEnigma
Aug 30, 2004

Moo!

Non Serviam posted:

Was it really a phone? Or a mini tablet?

They made a version with a working phone, and one without the cellular connection.

It's a weird device, the camera isn't great, and the device isn't great because there is a giant lens you have to hold on to it.

Edit: I got one as a unit to review, and it's sitting right here by my desk...It's gotten pretty much no use.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

It was a phone, the display was about 5" iirc.

fake edit: 4.8" - http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_camera_gc100-4961.php

Just Winging It
Jan 19, 2012

The buck stops at my ass
Non-super duper cameras on mobile phones aren't the reason most peoples photographs suck. Their pictures weren't that great back when everything still used film. Mostly because people that I know of either used cheap disposable cameras or some inexpensive point-and-click camera and couldn't frame a shot if their life depended on it. High quality SLRs or just cameras with good optics were practically unheard of, and even then only brought out for special occasions.

Film for them cost a mint so it took forever to get them developed because so few shots were actually taken. Have fun seeing back 3 birthdays, a wedding and 2 Christmas diners at once, that is if the developer didn't ruin them.

The real change is now that people can take pictures with their phones, they can actually take one when they want to because they have their camera with them instead of it gathering dust in a drawer somewhere.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Without film you also take ten shots instead of one, then pick out the one that looks the least like poo poo.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Krispy Kareem posted:

Well you're just an unique snowflake, because the small camera market is dwindling and dying. There are some nice ones out there, I love my Fujifilm x100 - but that's a small camera with a big sensor that costs a lot. Inexpensive small cameras with small sensors just don't offer enough optical benefits and have the big disadvantage of not being immediately shareable.


Besides, smartphone cameras these days are perfectly okay if there's enough light and infinite DOF doesn't matter for the shot. You can take perfectly good photographs with a smartphone camera.

Yes, there are good photographs you *can't* take with a smartphone camera, too. But there are even more good photographs you can't take if you don't have a camera on you.

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