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Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
The Batman parody duck you were thinking of was Darkwing Duck.

The Earth, Metal, & Fire ships are are likely named for the five Wu Xing which are Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, and finally Water. This is the Chinese equivalent of the four classical elements Fire, Air, Water, and Earth used by both Western society starting with the Greeks as well as Japanese philosophy. There is is also sometimes a fifth element called Aether by the former and Void by the latter.

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Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
Or, if you're a Pratchett fan, Surprise.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

Chimera-gui posted:

The Earth, Metal, & Fire ships are are likely named for the five Wu Xing which are Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, and finally Water.

It's also the elements of the five kinds of shields in the game.

Great Joe
Aug 13, 2008

Really, they should have just reined it in and kept to the rule of three, by which I mean Earth, Wind & Fire.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Dr. Buttass posted:

Or, if you're a Pratchett fan, Surprise.
I probably should have gone for that but went for an Ink Thief reference instead.

Also, I can't believe I forgot Daffy.

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

It's also the elements of the five kinds of shields in the game.
That''s my main issue with them really. Sure using Chinese elements is cool and all, but they didn't really theme the gameplay properly for them. Like it's immediately obvious what a Fire, Lightning or Water shield are good for. It's not immediately obvious what an Earth, Metal or Wood shield are good for (unless this was Minecraft), hell I have to keep looking up which is which.
Same for the ships, the theming doesn't mean much as they all look the same and feature a mix of enemies and shields anyways.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
You were thinking of Darkwing Duck and he is, indeed, a badass anti-hero.
Rather unlike Spadow the Edge...thing?

e: Beaten. Oh well. Speaking of elemental system, my favorite element comes from Borderlands. It's just awesome to say "explosion-elemental attack".

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Nov 18, 2015

Atomikus
Jun 4, 2010

Muncie? Muncie! MUNCIE!
Could also be the Duck Avenger

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
I never really had that much trouble with it, given their color-coding. Red protects you from fire, blue lets you breath underwater, yellow attracts gems, green attracts life petals, white lets you walk on spikes like it weren't nuthin'. They have slightly more quirks than that, but those are the important ones. It's basically just a matter of remembering that the first three are roughly S3&K analogues, and that there's two new ones on top of those.

Took me a while to learn what the white one even did, though; getting a shield and then throwing yourself at spikes is somewhat counter-intuitive. At least the green shield showed up early in the game and the item it attracts is commonplace enough that stumbling into its usage is easy.

Incidentally, this game is the next IndieBox title, and there's still roughly eleven hours to sign up.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
I was thinking of Darkwing Duck, yes. We all remembered shortly after we stopped recording.

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.
We've reached the halfway point. The levels get longer, the enemies get spammier, the bosses get spongier, and the plot gets... dark.

berryjon
May 30, 2011

I have an invasion to go to.
And Torque didn't take off his bill and fake shell when told "Aliens don't exist!" because...?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
"Oh no, we can't break out of this prison!"
"No worries, we'll break out of this prison, it's a piece of cake!"
-they break out from the prison-

Story aside, I feel the game would really benefit from the camera zooming out a bit on faster speeds. I don't know how it plays but just watching I keep expecting Lilac to plant her face into a dickishly-placed wall just a little further to the right.

Great Joe
Aug 13, 2008

It was fun joining up with you guys. This level looked really fun for the most part, and I enjoyed how much it reminded me of Aquatic Ruin Zone from Sonic 2. :)

LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!

anilEhilated posted:

"Oh no, we can't break out of this prison!"
"No worries, we'll break out of this prison, it's a piece of cake!"
-they break out from the prison-

Story aside, I feel the game would really benefit from the camera zooming out a bit on faster speeds. I don't know how it plays but just watching I keep expecting Lilac to plant her face into a dickishly-placed wall just a little further to the right.
The camera looks ahead but doesn't zoom out when you reach speed. Generally, the game's a lot better than than Sonic about designing areas for speed or platforming and telegraphing that through the level design, but there's still definitely a lot of moments where you run into a wall or a little dip. (Jade Creek in particular is pretty bad about this)

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

berryjon posted:

And Torque didn't take off his bill and fake shell when told "Aliens don't exist!" because...?
The Prime Directive Mission clearly states you can't interfere or reveal yourself to a primitive world, unless a bunch of teens with attitude ask you really really hard and pinky swear they won't tell.

anilEhilated posted:

"Oh no, we can't break out of this prison!"
"No worries, we'll break out of this prison, it's a piece of cake!"
-they break out from the prison-
Rumor is the Milla level was supposed to go in there, but then it didn't so they made her retroactively fail? But then they escape anyways?? And they let Torque go alone just for him to get captured???

The stitches are showing.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

SupSuper posted:

The Prime Directive Mission clearly states you can't interfere or reveal yourself to a primitive world, unless a bunch of teens with attitude ask you really really hard and pinky swear they won't tell.

Rumor is the Milla level was supposed to go in there, but then it didn't so they made her retroactively fail? But then they escape anyways?? And they let Torque go alone just for him to get captured???

The stitches are showing.

From what I heard this section used to be even worse - they'd just say how impossible it was to escape and then screen-cut to the next stage, without explanation.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem
I like the Neera fight a lot, it's dickishly designed, in a fun way. The ground is frozen! Jumped out of the way? Well there's poo poo in the air too!

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

SupSuper posted:

The Prime Directive Mission clearly states you can't interfere or reveal yourself to a primitive world, unless a bunch of teens with attitude ask you really really hard and pinky swear they won't tell.

Rumor is the Milla level was supposed to go in there, but then it didn't so they made her retroactively fail? But then they escape anyways?? And they let Torque go alone just for him to get captured???

The stitches are showing.

Be real, man. We've long since established that the plot is more stitch than substance to begin with.

Like, there are only so many times you can repeat "gently caress me did they ever need an editor or seven" but it really does bug me because there's just enough here that I can see they could have had something pretty good, but they squandered it so bad. Even some of the stupid grimdark poo poo could have been worked into something interesting; at least, the bits that aren't self-evidently just Strife patting himself on the back for his iconoclasmosity, this being a game with such childish, cartoony visuals and all.

Dr. Buttass fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Dec 11, 2015

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

Dr. Buttass posted:

Be real, man. We've long since established that the plot is more stitch than substance to begin with.

Like, there are only so many times you can repeat "gently caress me did they ever need an editor or seven" but it really does bug me because there's just enough here that I can see they could have had something pretty good, but they squandered it so bad. Even some of the stupid grimdark poo poo could have been worked into something interesting; at least, the bits that aren't self-evidently just Strife patting himself on the back for his iconoclasmosity, this being a game with such childish, cartoony visuals and all.
Well at least they're not totally unaware and have cut out the most superfluous stuff from the Wii-U rerelease, hopefully it'll drip down to the PC version eventually. Enjoy this director's cut while it lasts!

Spookyelectric
Jul 5, 2007

Who's there?
Why am I not surprised that hardcore fans appear to be complaining that extraneous dialog was cut from the game?

At least some of them are acknowledging some editing is a good thing.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


The story in this game is the one part that really stands out as being a completely amateur effort. The gameplay and music and visuals all live up to the best of the era they take inspiration from, but the story is just really clunky and poorly executed. I pretty much just stick to Classic Mode when I play this and it really doesn't feel like I'm missing out on much. The levels themselves do a better job at creating a narrative and atmosphere than the actual cutscenes. I'm definitely on board with them editing out the extraneous fluff.

Augus fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Dec 12, 2015

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING

Augus posted:

The levels themselves do a better job at creating a narrative and atmosphere than the actual cutscenes.

Eeeeh....I mean you're not wrong but that's not really a high bar to clear. Someone earlier in the thread was complaining that there's not really any cohesion to the levels if you play without story mode, they just kind of randomly happen in nonsensical order for no reason, and they weren't wrong either. Which is like...So did the original Sonic? But it was still fun. They don't need to create a super coherent narrative if it's fun. I think maybe Strife would have been better off not bothering with such an in-depth story at all. Just kinda tell us "Spacey McBadman wants the Politics Stone that powers everyone's hot water heaters, it's up to you to stop him so you can take a nice shower." For the level of interconnectedness the different levels have that's totally sufficient. Heck, that's more'n some games got back inna day.

Iunnrais
Jul 25, 2007

It's gaelic.
I've long since stopped watching the story videos. Anyone care to risk their sanity for the rest of us, and briefly summarize what's supposed to be going on?

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
Let's see, you're up to Jade Creek? Okay, so to recap everything so far:

  • Alien warlord Brevon crash-lands on Avalice. A few days later, another alien crash-lands after the warlord. This latter alien, Torque, is found by Lilac/Carol, and tells them the Kingdom Stone is about to be captured. (Dragon Valley)
  • Lilac/Carol rush over to its shrine, and what do you know, it is captured. They meet Milla (after she saves Carol's life), and have a bonding session that doesn't advance plot much. (Relic Maze)
  • Torque's cover from the girls is blown, so he explains everything about his mission against Lord Brevon. Shang Tu (henceforth "Sky Country") is concerned about the theft, and hires the girls to intercept it at Shang Mu (henceforth "City Country"). They fly to City Country on a plane owned by Sky Country and get attacked by the snake Serpentine, piloting various mechs. This distracts them long enough to allow Shuigang (henceforth "Water Country") to steal the Kingdom Stone from City Country - using the same thief, no less. (Fortune Night)
  • Mayor Zao of City Country basically admits to hiring the thief to steal the Kingdom Stone. After treating the heroes to a big dinner, he gives them an airship to head to Sky Country to explain the Stone's further kidnapping. Except, as it turns out, Zao sent them directly after the Water Country airships that were hauling the Stone off instead of to Sky Country; three of Water Country's escort ships attack the heroes' ship, causing it to crash into the river. (Sky Battalion)
  • The heroes take their broken airship downriver to Sky Country to explain what's going on, anyway. Unfortunately, one of Sky Country's officials, Neera Li, doesn't buy their story about aliens, and orders them held pending review of the evidence they brought to support their claims (metal from one of the mechs). Milla tries to break out, but Neera catches her before she can get far. (Aqua Tunnel, I think?)
  • Lilac falsely confesses to Neera's suspicions so Torque can go free; then all three break free somehow (who knows). Fleeing Sky Country as Neera tries to recapture them, the girls arrive to find Brevon capturing Torque. Serpentine further distracts them as Brevon escapes. Now fugitives, and without the leadership of the only guy who actually has any idea what Brevon's doing, Lilac and Carol snap at each other out of stress and split up. (Jade Creek)

...I'm not the best at skipping over unnecessary details myself, but that seems like a decent Cliff Notes version of everything up to the most recent video (and maybe a little bit of the next; I actually haven't watched to see where the cutoff point was).

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

Iunnrais posted:

I've long since stopped watching the story videos. Anyone care to risk their sanity for the rest of us, and briefly summarize what's supposed to be going on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkectGWgxVM

Oh sorry I thought you said risk your sanity.

TheFattestPat
Dec 28, 2012

Santa Cat Says: Good deeds are the things to always do, just make sure someone is watching you
This game is pretty sweet. They weren't kidding when they said 50 deaths is the average for a play through, I only had a mere 47 at the end of Lilac's.

I don't mind having a story in the game but they really could have done a better job. It's kind of funny though because it's pretty obvious which characters were originally Sonic characters before getting a facelift.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

TheFattestPat posted:

It's kind of funny though because it's pretty obvious which characters were originally Sonic characters before getting a facelift.
All of them?

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


anilEhilated posted:

All of them?

Eh the more tertiary side characters don't have quite as much an obvious parallel from Sonic. The main cast though is pretty clearly Not-Sonic, Not-Tails, Not-Cream, Not-Saturday-Morning-Robotnik, etc.

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.
The Adventures of Motorcycle The Cat

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
If you can stand to sit through the story one of the charges the girls are accused of is being members of "the Red Scarves;" that's these guys (I think Carol might explicitly tell Milla that, and maybe even explains why she thinks bothering them now is at all constructive, but I sat through the story mode once, that'll do just fine, thanks). Since being one counts as a crime in Shuigang or whichever, and Lilac is very quick to protest that they're ex-Red Scarves, thank you very much, with a side order of "we were orphans and the alternative was starving to death," I assume they're generally unsavory, but to my recollection the game never explains anything about their political affiliation, philosophies, or even what they do besides ride around on noisy vehicles and wear colors that'd stand out in a Danish tulip farm. On the other hand, there do seem to be quite a lot of them, so according to the law of inverse ninjutsu there's not a whole lot of point in trying to be particularly sneakish...

Lilac clearly felt the motorcycle was holding her back, but Carol kept not only the bike, but the neckerchief as well. If Strife were a better writer this would have been a good opportunity to explore Carol in a little more depth; obviously she feels a much stronger connection to her past as a vaguely-criminal, unstealthy ninja. As it is...I suppose it's just a mercy the motorcycle doesn't shoot missiles too.

Dr. Buttass fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Dec 21, 2015

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
About all I remember is that they're thieves and assassins. The former you get to see with Spade stealing the Kingdom Stone; the latter is more of an informed ability.

I know there was a line about Carol missing her sister that was cut from the cooties scene. Maybe her sister was a Red Scarf too and didn't defect? (I sincerely doubt it, but it's not like Carol's sister ever shows up in the plot to confirm or disconfirm this - that's why the line was cut, in fact.)

FeyerbrandX
Oct 9, 2012

Possibly Red Scarves being a proxy for Yellow Turbans for the Space Chinese. Also note the conspicuous lack of reference to the Tienanmen Cube.

Valcione
Sep 12, 2007
For All Brave Silpheed Pilots


I genuinely like the story in this game. I mean, yeah, it's amateurish and bad, but I still like it for its earnestness. v:shobon:v

Dr. Buttass
Aug 12, 2013

AWFUL SOMETHING
Yer gonna be reevaluatin' that position in another video or two.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
What the hell is a trap hideout? A place where traps go when hunted by the oppressive regime?

edit: Gotta admit I love Bikecat's expression when she hits the brakes. "Ohpleasestopohpleasestop"

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Dec 21, 2015

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.
Looks like GalaxyTrail got a Christmas present:



https://twitter.com/SDiDuro/status/671450101907345408

Great Joe
Aug 13, 2008

:krad:

Sue
Apr 1, 2008

Seems like they were successful enough to warrant a sequel.

I consider this bad news, but in case you're looking forward to more furry fanfiction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAYtSUfW0c

http://www.sonicretro.org/2015/12/a-thing/

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Augus
Mar 9, 2015


The gameplay will probably still be good so I consider it good news.
And the story has pretty much nowhere to go but up

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