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XYZ posted:Speaking of internet appliances, WebTV. My sister had WebTV eons ago. Browsing through WebTV was a lot slower than, you know, browsing the web on a proper desktop PC.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I got a Samsung Windows 7 mini laptop for free which was nice because after finding out it was completely unusable I took the HDD out and put it in my PS3.  It's not a mini but those stickers were applied due to how appropriately this thing performed 3 years ago. I just upgraded it to Windows 10
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Tunicate posted:"About 91% of visitors are on Windows. Mac users make up 5% and Linux is 2%. The other 2% are permabanned IRC trolls browsing the forums with a text-based browser written in Ruby on OpenBSD. Oh yeah, we have one guy using WebTV but I banned him because WTF." -- Radium  I remember this..
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Astrobastard posted:
 I got an Acer netbook to mess around with and hackintosh while I was in college, had those occasional problems with things running beyond the screen but I did write a few good papers on that tiny keyboard. I also put W10 on it recently, it's surprisingly functional with its upgraded 1.5GB of RAM (it can browse the web, usually).
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I'd suppose these things are replaced with stuff like the Surface Pro and the Atom powered Windows 10/8 Pro tablets you can get these days. I've got an Acer Atom powered one that's pretty ok for just simple poo poo, and with modern screen densities it's a far more spatious and comfortable 1366x768 at 10 inches.
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Dec 14, 2015 00:33
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I had three netbooks (an Acer Aspire One with XP, an HP Mini also with XP and a more expensive 12" Asus with Windows 7) and got a lot of use out of all of them. I never found the 1024x600 screen on the two older ones particularly crippling and they were cheap enough I didn't mind carting them about when travelling.
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Dec 14, 2015 01:00
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Tunicate posted:"About 91% of visitors are on Windows. Mac users make up 5% and Linux is 2%. The other 2% are permabanned IRC trolls browsing the forums with a text-based browser written in Ruby on OpenBSD. Oh yeah, we have one guy using WebTV but I banned him because WTF." -- Radium I am conditioned to think of this quote every time I hear WebTV said. Though im curious what Text Based Browser written in Ruby on OpenBSD means.
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Dec 14, 2015 01:03
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Elliotw2 posted:I'd suppose these things are replaced with stuff like the Surface Pro and the Atom powered Windows 10/8 Pro tablets you can get these days. I've got an Acer Atom powered one that's pretty ok for just simple poo poo, and with modern screen densities it's a far more spatious and comfortable 1366x768 at 10 inches. The HP Stream and similar are fairly popular and are still what I'd call a netbook.
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dissss posted:I had three netbooks (an Acer Aspire One with XP, an HP Mini also with XP and a more expensive 12" Asus with Windows 7) and got a lot of use out of all of them. It worked for quick word processing or being bored in classes but at times, it really was a pain in the rear end to use.
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Dec 14, 2015 01:05
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Netbooks totally failed, no one would ever buy a 10-13" low spec Linux powered laptop.... http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/ If you put a Google logo on it and tell people they aren't allowed to install anything they seem to sell Linux just fine.
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Dec 14, 2015 01:10
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Still better than anything you're likely to find in an internet cafe in many parts of the world
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Dec 14, 2015 01:10
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It will never cease to amaze me that people bought the cheapest laptops on the market with the slowest hardware and complain when they can't shove Windows onto it and turn it into a workstation/game on it.
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Elliotw2 posted:I'd suppose these things are replaced with stuff like the Surface Pro and the Atom powered Windows 10/8 Pro tablets you can get these days. I've got an Acer Atom powered one that's pretty ok for just simple poo poo, and with modern screen densities it's a far more spatious and comfortable 1366x768 at 10 inches. The Surface Pros are the ones that have an i3-i7 and are frankly a lot better than the budget Atom-powered stuff, they're "real" laptop replacements.
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Manky posted:The Surface Pros are the ones that have an i3-i7 and are frankly a lot better than the budget Atom-powered stuff, they're "real" laptop replacements. They also start at 4x the price. And that's before you add a keyboard (which is inexplicably sold separately)
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dissss posted:They also start at 4x the price. And that's before you add a keyboard (which is inexplicably sold separately) Well, yeah, those are two more reasons I wouldn't say the Pros replaced netbooks.
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twistedmentat posted:Though im curious what Text Based Browser written in Ruby on OpenBSD means. Something along the lines of Lynx. You launch it in a terminal and it will only display the text and ALT tags. No CSS, no images, no scripts. Just text and hyperlinks.
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Dec 14, 2015 02:34
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Linux could probably be considered 'failed' somewhat in the consumer/home market. But from my perspective (academia and gov't funded research), Linux is everywhere and at nearly every level. And that's not legacy support (like the serial port), either. I see various flavors used for cybersecurity research VM's, simulation VM's, developer stations, and of course lots of server applications. I need to actually put some distro on my personal machine for development work I need to do for my thesis.
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Dec 14, 2015 02:39
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flosofl posted:Something along the lines of Lynx. You launch it in a terminal and it will only display the text and ALT tags. No CSS, no images, no scripts. Just text and hyperlinks. Oh so like before I had proper internet access and had to use a dial up BBS that ran a shell so I could see the web. It was all text so when you viewed a website that had images on it it would just say "image map" and that's it.
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Dec 14, 2015 02:42
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Last Chance posted:I don't think Linux has failed... It's very prominent on smartphones. It is terrible, but isn't exactly a failure Who runs Linux on a loving smartphone? Even if you're arguing Android or whatever that's not loving Linux, Google puts so much work into it as to make it unrecognizeably different from apt-get gently caress MY rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 14, 2015 02:45
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There was a period where Linux was being pushed heavily as a alternative to windows. People would talk about their linux boxes and think they're clever writing Micro$oft but there was no way it could replace windows for average computer users. I think it was more of a blindness in many computer savvy people thinking that people had a greater knowledge of computers than they did, so having an OS that was open source and completely customization would sit the average user. No, average user wants to turn their computer on and not have to do any fiddling to check email, play games or look at porn. There was GUI's for Linux but they were vastly less user friendly than what would be found on windows. One of the funniest things I ever saw was a guy was showing off the video chat progam he created in linux that required a long rear end command path to run, that included who you were connecting to, where the webcam was plugged in and how big you wanted the chat window to be. Oh and the framerate. So basically everything you could do with yahoo messenger at the time, but with way less effort. Good for a CS project, terrible for a commercial product. At least it has uses outside of consumer computer use. Not like loving OS/2. My friend who i mentioned ages ago who was obsessed with scsi because of tiny improvements of performance (It took you 9 seconds to move that image from one hd to another...it only took me 7  ) was also obsessed with OS/2. He would always push it on us, showing how it could do true multitasking and a bunch of other gimmicky poo poo. But we were in our late teens, early 20s at the time and we cared about games and that was about it. There were very few games released for OS/2 and there really wasn't much else you could do with it that took advantage of all the supposed superior functionality of OS/2.
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I remember dual-booting into Windows and Red Hat back in '99, or at least trying to. Right up to the point that someone told me the "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" line. It was so very, very true. The space taken up by RH was then filled up by many Napster downloads.
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Arivia posted:Who runs Linux on a loving smartphone? Even if you're arguing Android or whatever that's not loving Linux, Google puts so much work into it as to make it unrecognizeably different from apt-get gently caress MY rear end in a top hat.  It may be lacking some of the bells and whistles, but it's Linux. Most of the work on the linux part is hardware drivers. The rest is mostly in the Dalvik/ART stack.
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Trabant posted:I remember dual-booting into Windows and Red Hat back in '99, or at least trying to. Right up to the point that someone told me the "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" line. It was so very, very true And there weren't any package managers, so you pretty much had to compile everything, over and over, until all of your dependencies were met. It really was like walking ten miles through the snow to school, uphill both ways. You schmucks have it easy.
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Linux had a chance to get a significant share of the desktop market during the XP era, when Windows was horribly unsecured and most users had spyware. The UI just wasn't good enough, there were common networking chipsets that just didn't have Linux drivers, and Flash was a huge part of the Internet that was supported poorly or not at all. Add in the fact that the most common prebuilt Linux systems were total crap that only used Linux as a way to drive the cost down further, and it never took off. A few years later Microsoft finally added a marginal amount of security to their OS, and then desktop Linux never stood a chance.
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Konstantin posted:Linux had a chance to get a significant share of the desktop market during the XP era, when Windows was horribly unsecured and most users had spyware. You want to talk about that? At one point, Sun loving Microsystems approached Commodore, and said "Hey, this Amiga thing you're selling is pretty loving awesome from a hardware perspective. How's about we give you a fuckload of money, and you let us make them under license, and stick a version of SunOS on them as a low-end version of our high-end workstations?" Commodore said "No." Well, specifically Commodore set a value of a "fuckload of money" that equated to "no." So much for Commodore.
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The first and foremost obstacle to Linux as a viable desktop OS is the people who are actually invested in it--the people who put their 2001 CVS patch to, idunno, mod_rewrite on their resumes. One of these sorts of dude was Bowie J. Poag, who used to post here when he wasn't making lovely tilable background images or bitching about Gnome UI, before any more than a dozen people cared about Gnome itself.
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John Big Booty posted:Just getting X to work back then was an exercise in masochism. And all the window managers sucked poo poo. I thought it was cool when it was pushing a horizontal sync rate faster than your monitor could handle (CRT days). If you were lucky, it released magic smoke. If you were unlucky, it would spark dangerously, and then release a *lot* of magic smoke.
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flosofl posted:I thought it was cool when it was pushing a horizontal sync rate faster than your monitor could handle (CRT days). If you were lucky, it released magic smoke. If you were unlucky, it would spark dangerously, and then release a *lot* of magic smoke. That reminds me of the worst computer problem I ever had. There was a pop, and then a puff of smoke came out of the case. One of the insulated parts in the power source had exploded. Lucky it was the only part damaged.
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Holy poo poo, that design. I just want to hollow that out and put something tiny and useful inside and just, I dunno, have it around. It's so, so very exemplary of its origin.
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I'm pretty sure my mom had Linux on her work laptop before she retired from IBM. It was a pretty forked version, but it worked from a business perspective. If anything, Linux moved the goalposts for Windows and Mac OS X. It might not be on as many computers as people thought it'd be a decade ago, but it pushed the other OS's to innovate and improve.
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Something I loved was Dosshell. You could do almost everything you could do with command prompt but in a gui. Though it was pretty much pointless once windows became fully usable. I think Windows 95 was the first that removed it.
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Konstantin posted:Linux had a chance to get a significant share of the desktop market during the XP era, when Windows was horribly unsecured and most users had spyware. The UI just wasn't good enough, there were common networking chipsets that just didn't have Linux drivers, and Flash was a huge part of the Internet that was supported poorly or not at all. Add in the fact that the most common prebuilt Linux systems were total crap that only used Linux as a way to drive the cost down further, and it never took off. A few years later Microsoft finally added a marginal amount of security to their OS, and then desktop Linux never stood a chance. It's mildly interesting how all of those problems are near enough solved today, yet the marketshare will probably remain tiny. The installers have mostly become dead easy and leave you with a working system, most normal hardware has working drivers, flash is both dying and available on linux, and the last linux enduser system I saw for sale was Dell's perfectly fine XPS 13" developer edition. Of course, I'm odd enough to do most of my work on a FreeBSD machine, and I have a few servers (both private and at work) with both BSD and linux - and yet I spend most of my private computer time gaming in windows 10.
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I was one of those people that tried to switch off of Windows to Linux back in 2006, to the point of trying to game on it. I eventually realized that Windows was so ubiquitous that I would need to be intimately familiar with it to do literally anything with my MIS degree, and I stopped using it midway through college. Luckily, the experience I got installing poo poo like Nvidia and wifi drivers on Linux (  ) earned me my internship - I was a student worker for the IT guy at my college and I managed to get those things working on some laptops after the guy who was originally going to do it couldn't figure out how.
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twistedmentat posted:Something I loved was Dosshell. You could do almost everything you could do with command prompt but in a gui. Though it was pretty much pointless once windows became fully usable. I think Windows 95 was the first that removed it. DOSShell was OK, but for some reason I much preferred Norton Commander up until the Windows 95 Era.
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Platystemon posted:Lower the delay in the preferences window, if you haven’t already. Which preferences window? I didn't find such a setting either in the system or the Finder preferences (maybe I'm blind...)
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Zopotantor posted:Which preferences window? I didn't find such a setting either in the system or the Finder preferences (maybe I'm blind...) It used to be in Finder→Preferences→General, but apparently Apple moved it to System Preferences→Accessibility→Mouse & Trackpad, because that’s a way more logical place for it. 
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Jedit posted:Now there's a technology we can all be glad is burning in hell - the clitmouse. They weren't just awkward to use, they were physically painful. Shifty Pony posted:Maybe you were thinking of something else? eMachines was a computer manufacturer that did specialize in low end stuff but they weren't awful. They would just come with a Celeron or AMD K6-2 (with 3D-NOW!!! Woo!!!) instead of a Pentium II and no 3D acceleration when stuff like a Riva TNT 2 was becoming a fairly common addition to home PCs. twistedmentat posted:Is there any tech right now anyone thinks that may be seen and failed/obsolete in the near future? The only thing I can think of is controllerless motion controls. The fact Xbone sales went up when it was sold without Kinect implies that people don't want it. Even controller based ones I feel are going to be relegated to specific types of games, and not being the main way games are controlled in the future. Large LCD displays are getting more competitive with projection for installation in small to medium size displays (under 100")in educational and enterprise environments, I don't think we'll see them take over completely, but I do think we'll see 100-120 inch LCD displays priced competitively with or lower than projectors for the same brightness levels with better color reproduction, with no bulbs. That comes with the caveat that I am a huge fan of Sony's laser projectors and am using them in every new installation. I have to send an email to our whole campus this coming week explaining that the university is ending support for VHS content by order of the CIO and will no longer provide VCRs after the spring semester. Oh, and all the VR stuff makes it a toss-up whether 3D survives the 5th 3D fad since the 1930s. My prediction is that the Oculus Rift will be the 6th wave but I'm not sure whether it will be a real trend or just another gimmick "next thing" like the Novint Falcon.
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