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Beeez posted:Grievous and Vader after putting on the suit are the only lightsaber-wielding characters that never spin in the movies. Cyborgs can't spin. Grievous doesn't need to spin his whole body, he can just do this 
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Steve2911 posted:Absolutely, but everything that happens in the OT isn't part of some huge elaborate master plan. Palpatine doesn't have every last detail planned, and he isn't winging everything due to coincidences either. He's setting things up in a way that makes his ultimate plans inevitable, and using what he can along the way to get there. TPM is a good example of this. By all appearances, Palpatine really does want the Jedi dead at the beginning and Amidala a prisoner on Naboo, to make Valorum look weak and his own position sympathetic. Except that all goes pear-shaped when Amidala and the Jedi escape both the Federation and Maul, so once they all arrive in Coruscant, he regroups. Now he convinces Amidala to do both things, get rid of Valorum and set himself up for the Chancellorship. Same outcome, unintended way of getting there.
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Steve2911 posted:Absolutely, but everything that happens in the OT isn't part of some huge elaborate master plan. Not everything, but then, neither is everything in the PT. But "scheming, nigh-omniscient Palpatine sitting in his spiderweb" isn't something the prequels came up with: ROTJ posted:EMPEROR ROTJ posted:EMPEROR This is what the Emperor does. And if you watch the prequels first, you'll know exactly how impossibly good the Emperor is at foreseeing events and manipulating his enemies into inescapable traps. It heightens the stakes of ROTJ immeasurably, because you actually know what Luke and the Rebels are up against. You know what Palpatine is capable of. You know that when he says, "I have foreseen it. Everything is going as planned," he means it, and he has the resume to back it up. He even tricks the Rebels in ROTJ in nearly the exact same manner he tricks Obi-Wan and the Jedi in AOTC: quote:EMPEROR (angry) He led the Rebel Alliance by the nose by letting the location of the Death Star (and knowledge of his presence on it) fall into their hands. He ensured the Rebels weren't suspicious by making them work for the information ("Many Bothans died...."). The prize Palpatine offered up to them was so enticing that the Rebel Alliance didn't dare look a gift horse in the mouth. It really is the same exact trick.
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El Burbo posted:Grievous doesn't need to spin his whole body, he can just do this I like that there are people that say this is less ridiculous than what we see in the prequels.
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Does anyone know where exactly people are getting the spoilers in the other thread from?
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Dec 13, 2015 23:14
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actually palpatine was just talking about his dick.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Does anyone know where exactly people are getting the spoilers in the other thread from?
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Jewel Repetition posted:Does anyone know where exactly people are getting the spoilers in the other thread from? Latino Review
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kiimo posted:As an aside, why do people say this all the time now? Did I miss something? How many 2015 join dates do you see on profiles?
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Dec 14, 2015 00:03
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The Chess motif is everywhere. A good chess player doesn't have to predict his opponents every move. He just has to set up a situation where every move his opponent might make leads to his own victory.
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I think the prequel trilogy story would have been more powerful if Dooku and the Seperatist where not being controlled by Palpetine at all.
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Then AOTC really would make no sense.
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Payndz posted:Just search for "force awakens spoilers" or "force awakens synopsis" in Google. The top few links have pretty much everything. I don't actually want to know the spoilers, I was just curious what the source of the leaks was.
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Lunatic Pathos posted:The Chess motif is everywhere. A good chess player doesn't have to predict his opponents every move. He just has to set up a situation where every move his opponent might make leads to his own victory. Yeah, somebody mentioned that he was lucky that Jango failed to kill Padme, but that would have driven Anakin down a dark path too, especially if he was burdened with having failed to protect her. All paths led to the dark side for that guy. I think this sums up Palpatine's MO about as well as anything 1 Peter 5:8 posted:Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. General Dog fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Consider that "coincidences" and "lucky" breaks are built into the very fabric and functionality of the Star Wars universe. The Force permeates everything. The people of this world, from the most spiritual to the most skeptic, would know and experience causality very differently than how we do. They'd come to expect incredibly improbable events and near saves as a facet of their lives; in other words, they are aware that they exist in a state that would only make sense to us as Narrative. The sort of accidental fortune (or bewildering misfortune) that only seems to exist our films and televisions and books is a common experience for the denizens of Star Wars. So when we say "Jeez, Palpatine sure left a lot of his plans up to chance and very risky gambits" it's like...well, yeah. He did. But it's not all that different from Obi-Wan and Yoda basing their counter-scheme on two babies, Plan A and Plan B, and just trusting that things will work out this way despite the millions of things that could have gone wrong with their whole "set some pieces in play and just wait to see what happens" approach. What if Han never came back to help Luke blow up the giant space ball? What if Luke really did freeze and die on Hoth? What if Leia got eaten, along with rest of the Millenium Falcon, by that giant space penis? There was a lot that could have gone catastrophically, but we just sort of accept that it didn't because we're watching the serendipitous Narrative of these characters...literally the will of the Force. Well, in the PT, it was Palpatine's serendipitous Narrative at work. Cnut the Great posted:It reinforces the idea that Anakin is nothing more than a tool and a fetish object to Palpatine. It really is all about an old pervert seducing a confused little boy for his own sick gratification. It's no mistake that Ian McDiarmid plays so many of his scenes with Anakin in Episode III with weird sexual undertones.  There's a definite psychosexual component to the master-apprentice relationships among both the Jedi and the Sith. For the Jedi it tends to manifest as chastity training; Obi-Wan and Anakin "love" each other, but it is love as defined by boundaries and self-discipline. It pleases Ob-Wan, and Anakin's other masters, when he controls himself. Anakin is literally (and consistently) praised when he doesn't get what he wants. Chastity. For the Sith it's the reverse, the free pursuit of sex and the promise of getting what they want from their relationship. Of course, Anakin doesn't "want" Sheev, he wants Padme...but he's offering that too. He's literally promising to save Anakin's sex life. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Never tell me the odds.
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How could you not follow it up with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg Like the only thing i ever remember seeing showing Sidious with the level of "i'm the loving boss" force powers he should have.
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I guess now is a good time to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebplsBcKDG0
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Jewel Repetition posted:I don't actually want to know the spoilers, I was just curious what the source of the leaks was. Be warned, the world premiere is tomorrow. Expect even more prevalent spoilers.
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Savage Opress sounds like a name straight out of Mobile Suit Gundam 00, where you have people with names like "Bring Stabity" and "Revive Revival" running around.
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Raxivace posted:Savage Opress sounds like a name straight out of Mobile Suit Gundam 00, where you have people with names like "Bring Stabity", and "Revive Revival" running around. The roguish loner guy is named Han Solo.
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Zoran posted:The roguish loner guy is named Han Solo. He's not a loner though: he pals around the universe with Chewie. 
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Raxivace posted:He's not a loner though: he pals around the universe with Chewie. I've got a pet dog but that doesn't mean i have friends
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I get why they did it, but I kind of wish they hadn't gone so over the top with the monster makeup for Palpatine in episode 3. There's something to be said for the idea of him revealing his "true self", but I think it would have worked just as well if they'd just aged him subtly through the prequels. McDiramid's performance is good enough that I think he could have been scary regardless. The fact that he looks better at the beginning of episode 3 than he does in episode 2 kind makes it seem like that may have been the original plan. On the other hand, the Emperor becoming a bloated self parody the minute he reaches the apex of his power is in keeping with the bigger themes of the prequels.
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Raxivace posted:He's not a loner though: he pals around the universe with Chewie. Plenty of loners have a loving dog.
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hemale in pain posted:I've got a pet dog but that doesn't mean i have friends Chewbacca is not a dog. He also should have gotten a medal for his bravery.
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Raxivace posted:Chewbacca is not a dog. He also should have gotten a medal for his bravery. Unfortunately the Battle of Yavin took place before the days of the big tent Rebellion we saw in ROTJ. The ANH-era Rebellion was pretty much all white human landowners.
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Han is just pretending chewbacca is talking like any other crazy dog owner  (a picture of chewbacca)
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What's the consensus on Anakin being created by Palpatine or his master? I assumed that was taken as a given, but if people are arguing that Anakin's fall was Palpatine's Plan B then I don't see how that fits.
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Hat Thoughts posted:How many 2015 join dates do you see on profiles?
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the trump tutelage posted:What's the consensus on Anakin being created by Palpatine or his master? I assumed that was taken as a given, but if people are arguing that Anakin's fall was Palpatine's Plan B then I don't see how that fits. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference whether Anakin was created by Plagueis, Sidious, the Force itself, or an unknown drifter. Anakin was an opportunity which Palpatine exploited.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Unfortunately the Battle of Yavin took place before the days of the big tent Rebellion we saw in ROTJ. The ANH-era Rebellion was pretty much all white human landowners. That's exactly what the one in Firefly was, which is funny.
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It was actually god. Didn't you guys read the bible?
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hemale in pain posted:Han is just pretending chewbacca is talking like any other crazy dog owner
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Anakin's father is actually a young Dengar. Shmi had the hots for mummies.
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Beeez posted:On the Sidious and Plagueis thing, in the script and novelization Palpatine admits Plagueis was his master and that he never actually learned the secret to controlling life. Plagueis is way more likely to be Anakin's father. In the script and the novelization for RotJ Owen Laws is Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother, so that honestly doesn't matter in the slightest.
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Nessus posted:Fair number, really. There's tons of older ones still active, of course. Okay, well, in reality - no - there's like 6 and 3 of those are re-regs. If you want exact info on the slow and inevitable decline of this website/forums in general tho you can check out QCS, where ppl have made graphs and various other fun visual references.
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Hat Thoughts posted:Okay, well, in reality - no - there's like 6 and 3 of those are re-regs. If you want exact info on the slow and inevitable decline of this website/forums in general tho you can check out QCS, where ppl have made graphs and various other fun visual references.
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Nessus posted:So what is the new hip relevant cool forum we should all migrate to so I can skip searching for a bunch of graphs about how Lowtax needs to bring back LF What?
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