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Siivola posted:Haha. Ha. Heh. Screw masks, I just ordered my first sword. It cost way too much, yet I somehow can't think of any convincing reason why this was a terrible idea. I ordered a Marozzo from Albion recently because I'm allergic to money. I don't even practice sidesword.
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Well, now you have a terrific opportunity!  Edit: Goodness, the Marozzo's a gorgeous sword.
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I love Mike at Albion, but god drat it takes forever sometimes. I've waited anywhere from 6 months to a year for a sword from them.
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Me this Sunday: No, sir. We can't move to a different strip. No, we already switched reels. I don't think a third reel will change things. If it wasn't working on a previous strip and isn't work here it, then it must be an issue with your fencer's equipment. Why are you yelling at me? Epee, easiest weapon to ref! Bonus, I had a fencer stand motionless for the first minute and a half in a pool bout against a notoriously passive opponent. How notoriously passive? I reffed a DE of his that finished 1-0, in priority.
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There's nothing wrong with epee
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dupersaurus posted:There's nothing wrong with epee So yeah, there's nothing wrong with epee! t  t
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Of course not. Everything's fine with epee. Now sabre, that needs some tweaking. I think a longer lockout time and shorter en garde distance will solve everything.  The 1-0 bout would've taken around 4 minutes. Remember, the O/T minute due to non-combativity is fenced for it's entirety.
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Card them. Card them all.  Every sport has its problems, but sticking a sword in someone is never going to get old for me. it's basically 18th century laser tag.
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It's the same issue with all martial arts. Once you sportify them, people will find the best way of playing to the rules and that often involves playing not to lose, rather than trying to win.
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Seriously though, aren't there some relatively catch-all clauses in the rules about refusal to fence your opponent and general unsportsmanlike behaviour? Or are they too strictly interpreted to apply in this sort of case?
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Crazy Achmed posted:Seriously though, aren't there some relatively catch-all clauses in the rules about refusal to fence your opponent and general unsportsmanlike behaviour? Or are they too strictly interpreted to apply in this sort of case? The IOC doesn't bitch about soccer matches spending 90 minutes to end 1-0, and its because there are chances in there. The same thing applies to epee.
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There are ways to make the sport more "spectator friendly" but I don't know why anyone cares about that for a sport most people only see once every 4 years. It isn't like fencing is on ESPN every Sunday. IMHO fewer rules are the best way to encorage a wide variety of strategies. That is what makes fencing fun for the fencers. If they don't like bouts that last the full time, they can just decrease the amount of time in the bout. 2 minutes seems reasonable to me. Also, overtime in pool bouts is dumb. They can just record both fencers as losing if time runs out at a tie. Edit: "rests" in DEs are also dumb, outside of Veterans events. Fencers are supposed to be athletes, and if a guy can't stay on his feet for more than 10 minutes they need to lose weight or something. Mid-bout coaching is usually a joke anyway. ScratchAndSniff fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Crazy Achmed posted:Seriously though, aren't there some relatively catch-all clauses in the rules about refusal to fence your opponent and general unsportsmanlike behaviour? Or are they too strictly interpreted to apply in this sort of case? For refusing to fence your opponent, there's t.85.1. The case study for this is how Iranian fencers often refuse to fence Israelis. USAF Rulebook, t.85.1 posted:No fencer (individual or team) may take part in an official competition if he refuses to fence against any other fencer whatsoever (individual or team) correctly entered in the event. Should this rule be broken, the penalties specified for offenses of the 4th group will be applied There's colluding with your opponent (group 4 black), or not making an honest effort to fence (group 3 red). Doesn't count, though, since they are logically fencing. USAF Rulebook, t.87.1 posted:The competitors must fence faithfully and strictly according to the rules laid down in these Rules. All breaches of these rules will incur the penalties laid down hereinafter USAF Rulebook, t.88 posted:Competitors must fence to their utmost ability in a sportsmanlike manner until the end of the competition in order to obtain the best possible classification, without giving away touches or seeking to be favored by being given touches by anyone There's "anti-sporting behavior" which is vaguely defined, but with the context it's put in, again it doesn't really apply USAF Rulebook, t.87.2 posted:All bouts must preserve the character of a courteous and frank encounter. All irregular actions (flèche attack which finishes with a collision jostling the opponent, disorderly fencing, irregular movements on the strip, touches achieved with violence, blows struck with the guard, touches made during or after a fall) or anti-sporting behaviorare strictly forbidden (cf. t.114–t.120). Should such an offense occur, any touch scored by the fencer at fault is annulled USAF Rulebook, t.87.3 posted:a)Before the beginning of each bout, the two fencers must perform a fencer’s salute to their opponent, to the Referee and to the spectators. Equally, when the final touch has been scored, the bout has not ended until the two fencers have saluted each other, the Referee and the spectators: to this end, they must remain still while the Referee is making his decision; when he has given his decision, they must return to their on guard line, perform a fencer’s salute and shake hands with their opponent. If either or both of the two fencers refuse to comply with these rules, the Referee will penalize him/them as specific for offenses of the 4th group (cf. t.114, t.119, t.120). Now what's interesting to ponder is what Yakamenko did recently with intentionally dropping his weapon to stop a strong attack. Depending on who you ask, it's either delaying the bout or disorderly fencing (group 1 yellow, what he got), dishonest fencing (group 3 red, fnet favorite's), or maybe anti-sporting behavior (the rare group 3 yellow, but again, the rule's context).
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Today we fight with messers – may God remember us. Got a long-rear end messer seminar today. Pretty excited. Edit: Trip report: Parried with my pointer finger. Survived. Really want a messer now.
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Siivola posted:Parried with my pointer finger. We're gonna need a bigger nagel.
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I did the exact same thing today, only with a longsword (thankfully, with much less speed). I think what I need is more like a basket hilt. Anyhow, messer is super neat. Joeli Takala was our guest instructor for the day, and he's done a bunch of work on Johannes Lecküchner's messer treatises. The weapon's tiny and lightning fast, which makes everything terribly weird when you come from a longsword background. The messer is quick enough that you can easily redirect an attack around a traditional parry, so it's safer to keep your own blade close to your body with the point in line, and simply take cover behind it with proper footwork. In an ideal world you can bind against the opponent and just wind your point in their face, but it all happens literally within arm's reach (and sometimes you just can't stab a dude, because of laws or some poo poo) so wrestling with the messer is a big part of Lecküchner's book. Incidentally, turns out a heavy-ish sidesword is a terrible messer simulator. There's a sword and buckler seminar in two weeks, I'm hoping my new dearie handles that a bit better. (We'll be studying the Walpurgis manuscript, it won't.) Siivola fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 17, 2015 |
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Hey chaps, are you interested in the Italian longsword? Guy Windsor's crowdfunding his new book and my goony face is in it! The book's a follow-up on his previous Medieval Longsword, and he's giving out ebook copies of that to all backers. On a booky note, Christian Tobler also published a revised edition of his Fighting with the German Longsword if you're more into that sort of stuff. You deviants.
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Also, there's a translation of a Dutch manual with single rapier, rapier and dagger, rapier and buckler, halberd, and pike that's available now! I have no idea how it is, but it's surely the only Dutch manual that I know of, so I'm grabbing it because I'm that kind of nerd.
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Craig of F.net has an early report out about the rule changes No black cards for non-combativity, but the sabre changes will be attempted. Also, Vet events are still free, while everyone else has to pay more. The distance change is, by far, the stupidest of the bunch. Sabreurs will now start with their back front on the line, instead of front foot. Where will the front foot go, who knows? 
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Epee is saved! The spectre of non-combativity can loom over us for a few more years at least! Sabreurs get some weirdass test changes to start lines though, plus 170ms lockouts up from 120s. Efb, and with more info to boot. I'm calling it a simul and awarding no points because I screamed louder while posting. : 
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As a foilist that sometimes moonlights as a sabreur, hooray for more time to parry!BirdOfPlay posted:Craig of F.net has an early report out about the rule changes No black cards for non-combativity, but the sabre changes will be attempted. Also, Vet events are still free, while everyone else has to pay more. I would think about as far away from the guard line as the back foot used to be. That'll put the fencers at around restart distance from each other (always funny trying to restart sabreurs from some place other than the guard lines), although I wonder if two fencers could be tall enough to actually be closer than restart distance. I'm sure exploits are there to find, but they'd have to grapple with t.17.11 saying "The fencers must come on guard correctly and remain completely still until the command “Fence” is given by the Referee" (my emphasis). What "come on guard correctly" means is left to the user's imagination, but you'd have to convince the ref of it. FIE Congress posted:The second security device on the mask should now be compulsory as of Jan. 1 2016 I assume this refers to the bib strap they made LP put on contour fit masks?
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Dzurlord posted:Also, there's a translation of a Dutch manual with single rapier, rapier and dagger, rapier and buckler, halberd, and pike that's available now!
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dupersaurus posted:As a foilist that sometimes moonlights as a sabreur, hooray for more time to parry! I will be interested in how the timing change will effect things. More time to reposte would be nice, but is it worth losing counters and remises? This may require actual stipulations on what "en garde" is beyond the "no point in line". Interpretations will likely trickle down from the World Cups and Grand Prix, so we'll get to look forward to 2 years of settling if this thing goes official. The LP bib strap is the only thing I think this could possibly be referencing.
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Foil is 250ms, right? I'm starting to wonder how much difference 50 actually makes, but I don't have a sense for saber timing other than "well that would have worked in foil". What would be locked out by 120 that wouldn't by 170? Is there a sense that maybe counters and remises have become too powerful, so needed to be nerfed a little?
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D'oh, fair point. That said, I'll be interested to see how the use of rapier in this manual compares to the other general styles in use at the time.
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dupersaurus posted:Foil is 250ms, right? I'm starting to wonder how much difference 50 actually makes, but I don't have a sense for saber timing other than "well that would have worked in foil". What would be locked out by 120 that wouldn't by 170? Is there a sense that maybe counters and remises have become too powerful, so needed to be nerfed a little? Also I'm trying to build an arduino scoring box right now, I'm going to have to redo the timing settings... Crazy Achmed fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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My sabre blade finally broke  I'm kind of surprised at the variance in price considering how simple they are compared to foil/epee (and no shenanigans like the sr71 or flickmaster). Are there any of should beeline for/avoid like the plague?
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Crazy Achmed posted:My sabre blade finally broke You should get this.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:You should get this. That was not fair linking that site!!!
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:You should get this. That's, uhh, not tournament legal. It won't pass any of the gauges. It lacks a loop at the end. Lastly, the curve of the blade is too much and goes with the cutting edge, not against.
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BirdOfPlay posted:That's, uhh, not tournament legal. It's a joke dude. crazy achmed does olympic fencing and would probably hurt himself picking that up lol quote:Lastly, the curve of the blade is too much and goes with the cutting edge, not against. what does this even mean ImplicitAssembler posted:That was not fair linking that site!!! 
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Crazy Achmed posted:My sabre blade finally broke My impression was to just buy cheap blades and treat them as expendable, but I'm just a foil fencer so I don't know what I'm talking about
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HEY GAL posted:rip ImplicitAssembler's wallet Once I get my man-cave, I *will* start a sword collection and are happy to start with replicas.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:what does this even mean 
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Ha, someone brought a cavalry sabre to training a few weeks back. Heavy as gently caress for my delicate little foilist hands, but after I was shown how to actually hold it (thumb wrapped around the grip rather than straight up) and it made a bit more sense. Hell, if I ever find a nice antiquey one for not too much money I might buy it to put on the wall... or in the kitchen next to the knife block to see people's reactions. As luck would have it, my favourite foil blade is giving out, too. It's a maraging BF from 2009 and it'll be sad to see it finally die  This is going to be an expensive holiday season for me.HEY GAL posted:rip ImplicitAssembler's wallet yeah rip Also, can anyone who does japanese swordy stuff explain to me what's going on in the demo done before the women's foil finals at Torino recently? Video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9hTVYXooA (samurai stuff starts around 9 minutes) They seem to stare intensely at each other, do a single carefully executed cut or guard, then spend a great deal of time sheathing their weapons again. I'm kinda curious as to what was actually happening here, is it just people demonstrating one move each while looking cool, or are they doing something more specific?
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Crazy Achmed posted:Also, can anyone who does japanese swordy stuff explain to me what's going on in the demo done before the women's foil finals at Torino recently? Video is here: I think they are doing some ZNKR iaido, a 12-kata set and really meant to be done solo. Those are full kata that they do. Not 100% sure though, that last thing with two opponents is a bit weird.
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