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Dudley posted:If ITV are willing to take on the "No ads during a live race" thing then go right ahead. I still haven't forgiven them for the 2005 San Marino race... And James Allen! Almost forgot about him. ImplicitAssembler fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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ImplicitAssembler posted:I still haven't forgiven them for the 2005 San Marino race... Context?
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Norns posted:Context? Schumacher is *hounding* Alonso in the closing laps. He's all over his gear box, diving left and right and every time Alonso defends it...and then with 3 laps to go (4?), they cut to a commercial break.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:44
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Schumacher is *hounding* Alonso in the closing laps. He's all over his gear box, diving left and right and every time Alonso defends it...and then with 3 laps to go (4?), they cut to a commercial break. Oh yeah. I'd be pissed watching that live.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:50
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Are you sure you were watching it on ITV? I ask because I'm sad enough just to have checked me VHS tape and there are no breaks, could it have just been in your region? Also aww, Jenson on the podium for Honda. He looks so happy, Little did he know.
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learnincurve posted:Are you sure you were watching it on ITV? I ask because I'm sad enough just to have checked me VHS tape and there are no breaks, could it have just been in your region? Also aww, Jenson on the podium for Honda. He looks so happy, Little did he know. Yes. My region was London..it may be that they weren't able to transmit it live up Norf? http://www.crash.net/f1/news/53020/1/itv-found-guilty-over-imola-gp.html
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Dec 18, 2015 00:17
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I remember that race because here in the U.S. it was broadcast on CBS and there was some kind of weird glamorous F1 lifestyle segment that was broadcast as part of the race.
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Dec 18, 2015 00:19
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I clearly remember the ITV San Marino thing, I can remember being incredibly annoyed at them at the time. They replayed the missing laps at the end, because everyone had missed them It doesn't seem to have been a regional thing, I don't see why they would have done that if it was an STV gently caress up
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Viewing figures are falling after our stupid movie to pay tv! The sport in in chaos! I know, lets ditch the only remaining over-the-air broadcaster of the sport in the english-speaking world. ITV is also "over-the-air", it just has adverts. One of the other potential places for the BBC's coverage to be sold is Channel 4, which is also over-the-air with adverts. ITV or Channel 4 would almost certainly get better figures than Sky, especially if they managed to work out a way to have the least intrusive advertising during the race (ideally no mid-race ads, but they could definitely get away with only a couple of breaks in 90 minutes because they already do it with football) Best ITV ad moment was Monaco 2004 though: safety car comes out with Schumacher in the lead, ad break ends and it's just his ruined car in the barrier having binned it in the tunnel behind the safety car.
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Dubs posted:if a team USA driver gets into an accident this is a really good post Dubs posted:as fine as posting and shitposting this is an even better post
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It's a mystery, dad's tapes originally (god bless his crippling OCD). I simply don't have the time to sort them out right now but I'll try and get those two moments without breaks on youtube and maybe people can find some peace.
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Dec 18, 2015 01:51
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"Do not adjust your sets, this is F1 on ITV" https://vimeo.com/27232626 Best thing they did
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Triple A posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysLoUJGAEjY Wasn't that game a miserable piece of poo poo?
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funeral fag posted:Wasn't that game a miserable piece of poo poo? From what I've heard, it suffers from the usual arcade rally game problems and thus, ends up playing second fiddle to a much superior game.
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Dirt rally was amazing as soon as it released. I cant wait to re-install it when its more than a few cars and like 3 courses. Best rally game in years.
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Brainwrong posted:"Do not adjust your sets, this is F1 on ITV" Two things are amazing about this: 1. The commercial cut to Schumi crying 2. Lewis not having any clue what is happening
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http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/18/more-woe-for-ecclestone-with-bbc-ditching-f1-and-fom-value-halves/quote:Forbes revealed recently that in 2014, Formula One revenues were $1.35billion with an associated profit of $1.13billion. “But from that total some $863 million, or more than 75% of earnings, passed to the teams in the form of prize money. That left $265 million for stakeholders, a sizable dip over previous seasons (the company’s EBITDA was $426 million two years ago). Tacking on F1′s marketing and hospitality interests adds a combined $430 million in revenue, but those are mostly break-even businesses; pre-tax profits totalled just $5.2 million”. http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/18/the-ecclestone-myth-about-f1-manufacturers/ quote:... http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/18/red-bull-double-dealings-and-what-does-constitute-an-agreement/ quote:Christian Horner claims Ferrari and Mercedes did what they could to push Red Bull out of Formula One.
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quote:When you look at what he’s invested in the sport in two grand prix teams, the circuit, all the young driver programmes… I think at one point he felt that he was being forced out This little bit really shows why red bull suck. Yes, you were allowed in, formed a top team, a junior team, and sponsor an entire race (something no other team does), but you still feel persecuted if you go 2 or 3 years without winning a WCC? #austrianlivesmatter I want ferrari and red bull to leave all at once. If this means f1 takes a hit in popularity so be it, the sport would be so much better off as a result. I'm furious when the red team throws its weight around and threatens to quit if it doesnt get its way, and f1 seemingly is ready to give that same elite status to red bull.
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F1 wouldn't be better with Ferrari gone. The gently caress are you on about?
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Riso posted:http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/18/red-bull-double-dealings-and-what-does-constitute-an-agreement/ Is this supposed to be about manufacturers or engine suppliers?
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Norns posted:F1 wouldn't be better with Ferrari gone. The gently caress are you on about? We would never hear "ferrari exercised their veto of the new f1 rules" again. At least remove their veto and most of the money f gives them. I'd rather have the TV money go to real racers like Caterham than a Energy drink company or a T shirt and hat company like ferrari.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:27
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So you hate team merchandise. Got it.
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Butt Wizard posted:Is this supposed to be about manufacturers or engine suppliers? A grey area, just like the engines.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:We would never hear "ferrari exercised their veto of the new f1 rules" again. At least remove their veto and most of the money f gives them. I'd rather have the TV money go to real racers like Caterham than a Energy drink company or a T shirt and hat company like ferrari. If I bought you a glorious scud hat I bet you'd shut up real loving fast.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:We would never hear "ferrari exercised their veto of the new f1 rules" again. At least remove their veto and most of the money f gives them. I'd rather have the TV money go to real racers like Caterham than a Energy drink company or a T shirt and hat company like ferrari. Bored at work?
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MattD1zzl3 posted:We would never hear "ferrari exercised their veto of the new f1 rules" again. At least remove their veto and most of the money f gives them. I'd rather have the TV money go to real racers like Caterham than a Energy drink company or a T shirt and hat company like ferrari. Real talk, I'd rather have the Mercedes cap than the Ferrari cap
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Xenoid posted:Real talk, I'd rather have the Mercedes cap than the Ferrari cap I liked Lewis's yellow hat this year. Shame I hate him and Mercedes.
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Red bull are the cancer of every sport they touch, they dont want to take part in sports, they want to own them. At this point it's an actual corporate plan with bullet points and poo poo. They slowly take over starting with sponsorship, then they buy an existing team or sign individuals to their program, pour money into it so they win everything, start doing all the promo stuff and BANG they buy tv rights/circuits/entire events and the whole thing is a glorified advertisement. Where it went wrong for them in F1 was that they got in too deep before they realized that they couldn't get control and there was too much bureaucracy for them to be able to work the system. If you think F1 would survive without Ferrari you are out of your minds. It's really not to do with the fans who go to the races or watch on TV. Behind the scenes they bring in so much money and influence you wouldn't believe . All those middle eastern shithole tracks funded by Arab royals are on the calendar because Arab royals loving love ferraris, CVC owners love Ferrari, all those Chinese/Malaysian companies that pour money into the sport, oh yes, they loving love ferrari and without them you lose government funding for those tracks on top of the corporate stuff, Italian government has just stepped in to save Monsa so you can kiss that goodbye as well. Odd how incredibly wealthy corporate executives, princes, and government officials love a supercar manufacturer if by supporting them in F1 they get big discounts, bumped to the top of waiting lists and are allowed to purchase limited editions.
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So if f1 lost ferrari it would become a smaller, less corperate sport with a smaller Chinese, Malay and Arab presence? Oh no! But what about my tilkedromes? 
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Norns posted:F1 wouldn't be better with Ferrari gone. The gently caress are you on about?
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MattD1zzl3 posted:So if f1 lost ferrari it would become a smaller, less corperate sport with a smaller Chinese, Malay and Arab presence? Oh no! You'd have like two circuits and Williams left as a team if you removed all those things.
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Not even Williams as Merc is gone without Petronas and that's if they don't quit over the engine change anyway, and Toto owns 40% of williams. Not even the British GP is safe as Russia is gone without the chinese, and iirc Russians own Silverstone. All that would be left is Red bull/Renault going round and round the red bull ring and a smug looking Horner. edit: you look deep enough and russians own everything in the UK. Believe it or not in our area all the council "owned" cafe's/community places were built with russian "grants" and then rented off them. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Nobody is saying you have to like Ferrari, but Formula One works as a massive engineering exercise because Ferrari is there as a placemarker to measure everyone else. Brands are willing to pay huge sums of money to either be on a Ferrari or be on a car that's beating Ferrari and they really aren't willing to pour that amount of cash into any other form of motorsports.
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learnincurve posted:Not even Williams as Merc is gone without Petronas and that's if they don't quit over the engine change anyway, and Toto owns 40% of williams. Toto owns 30% of Merc and 5% of Williams. It's like the second sentence on wikipedia.
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1500quidporsche posted:Nobody is saying you have to like Ferrari, but Formula One works as a massive engineering exercise because Ferrari is there as a placemarker to measure everyone else. Brands are willing to pay huge sums of money to either be on a Ferrari or be on a car that's beating Ferrari and they really aren't willing to pour that amount of cash into any other form of motorsports. It's also a good yardstick for other single seater comps - hell, the A1GP series eventually ran actual works Ferraris - an entire grid of them - and it still didn't have the same lure as the actual Ferrari F1 team. If you just want 'real racers' then spend your Sundays at a track watching your national FF competition instead.
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I'm not trying to be contrary, but i've only been a f1 fan since late 2007. I've never seen a year where they werent an also-ran. Sure they win now and then, but so did lotus, and they certainly werent a leading team. I know they have a legendary winning history, but so do the dallas cowboys, and i also dont care about them either. They are clearly the Star wars imperial-style "bad guys" of f1 and rooting for them is a sign of a social disorder. From my perspective the biggest influence ferrari has on f1 today is attempting to influance the rules of f1 using their "status" and making it worse, in between stereotypically italian temper tantrums. Also giving a place for f1 drivers to go when they are coasting on their reputation and want to get fat and rich.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I'm not trying to be contrary, but i've only been a f1 fan since late 2007. I've never seen a year where they werent an also-ran. Sure they win now and then, but so did lotus, and they certainly werent a leading team. I know they have a legendary winning history, but so do the dallas cowboys, and i also dont care about them. From my perspective the biggest influence ferrari has on f1 today is attempting to influance the rules of f1 using their "status" and making it worse, in between stereotypically italian temper tantrums. Also giving a place for f1 drivers to go when they are coasting on their reputation and want to get fat and rich. Literally every other team does Ferrari level poo poo now. Red Bull with their exhaust/wing wankery, threatening to leave because they couldn't get an engine, Mercedes who basically won't let their cars race at the front unless it gives Hamilton a chance to jump Rosberg thereby ensuring a procession, Lotus being a loving embarrassment to anyone who understands basic finance and so on. Probably the only reason that Ferrari doesn't seem to have any mythos is because every team now seems to think the sun shines out their arses, with virtually no equivalent heritage to Ferrari's.
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You don't have to care about them, but you also can't deny that the reason Formula One has the appeal to sponsors and a large portion of its fans it does is that Ferrari are there every race. I mean look at WRC now that Lancia is gone, nobody gives a poo poo and no team can find a sponsor to save their lives. Unless you have a team in the sport that has some heritage and is more or less going to be in the running most years nobody is going to give a poo poo and leave. Then the only people left are a bunch of shitbirds that slowly changed the rules until we have the garbage we do now. It didn't happen over night but it did progressively get worse and worse until it got to the point where now everyone runs generic custom garbage to save cash because Red Bull is the only sponsor interested in the sport. I mean you can hate them all you want but the only thing that prevented Bernie from pushing through that stupid new engine and brining back the Red Bull Reich was Ferrari calling them out on their bullshit and using their veto.
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You can hate the dark bleak years of the ferrari dream team as much as you like but the fact remains that F1 as a sport was on it's knees in 2005 when the f1 tobacco advertising ban came in, yes the British fans and commentators hated them but globally it was a different story. It does not matter one fig what the British fans think of them, it's the corporate hospitality that matters and ferrari own that. If you (MattD1zzl3) had followed the politics over the years then you would know just how genius it was to hire arrivabene, this is the guy who ran Marlboro/ferrari's corporate events from 1986 and was on the world council representing all the sponsors before he got given his current position. Marchionne had him sat with him in that press conference for a reason, team principle/Motorsport director isn't usually at the end of year road car division press conference why would he be? it was a clear message of "play nice bernie and we give you a new team/engine supplier, gently caress us about and not only do we pull ourselves from the sport the big guy next to me is going to pull all your sponsors and bring them with us to our new racing formula with hookers and blackjack"
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Also Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel are good and cool. And please never compare the glorious Scud to Star Wars again.
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