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A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
if I were a star citizen missionary I would try to repress anything related to that holiday livestream. You have to weigh 2 minutes of a pretty looking touched-up trailer for a feature that has no foreseeable release versus 19 minutes of the games visionary getting annihilated by his own product. The pros don't outweigh the cons.

A Neurotic Jew fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Dec 19, 2015

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Chickenfrogman
Sep 16, 2011

by exmarx

Running breaks immersion since most of the cult isn't physically capable of doing it.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

TTerrible posted:

Guys whole you're here, what's your take on CRoberts being unable to play the game, being visibly disgusted with it and only now seeing the chat interface?

For the hero visionary programmer that is involved in every aspect that is pretty weird.

It's almost as if he has nothing to do with SC and is busy directing his awful interactive movie.

Thoughts?

It's amazing on so many levels.

It vindicates my argument for emphasizing quality of life issues when doing crowdsourced testing. If Chris can't go fifteen minutes without being miserable how can he expect the average player to want to do it?

It makes me wonder where most of Chris's efforts go. Is he still focused on directing and the script? When was the last time he had sat down and actually played the game?

It was yet another condemnation of CIG's method of handling livestreams. They clearly don't care.

Entire dissertations could be written about that little cock up.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

It's amazing on so many levels.

It vindicates my argument for emphasizing quality of life issues when doing crowdsourced testing. If Chris can't go fifteen minutes without being miserable how can he expect the average player to want to do it?

It makes me wonder where most of Chris's efforts go. Is he still focused on directing and the script? When was the last time he had sat down and actually played the game?

It was yet another condemnation of CIG's method of handling livestreams. They clearly don't care.

Entire dissertations could be written about that little cock up.

Nah man you got it all wrong. It was like, really cute and endearing bc Chris Roberts is just a slob like us. I'd much rather watch chris, our genius friend, pouring gasoline on a loving dumpster fire, than some "evil publisher" game company who is capable of producing a product that works, and doesn't look like a monkey loving a football when they demo it.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Toops posted:

Nah man you got it all wrong. It was like, really cute and endearing bc Chris Roberts is just a slob like us. I'd much rather watch chris, our genius friend, pouring gasoline on a loving dumpster fire, than some "evil publisher" game company who is capable of producing a product that works, and doesn't look like a monkey loving a football when they demo it.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...c-for-5-minutes

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

TTerrible posted:

Interactive

Lol

Push esc trying to skip those will be as interactive as it can be

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

G0RF posted:

This just happened-- wording is imprecise... Tracy was talking about their PG plans- lakes, animal life, forests, alien life, whatever..

Tracy: "Procedural generation? Yes, we're working on what we call our..." (thinks about it, smiling)... "well I won't say what our internal code name is for it..."

Ben and Lando nod in a 'yes, it's best not to say that on camera'...

Let me guess, "Elite Killer?"

Old Man Sky

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Not a cult?

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,
Star Citizen backers are completely normal people. They all sit on a dead-center line down the middle of the bell curve. If you're not down with the 'verse, you must be a very weird outlier.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
Sometimes I can't tell if these posts are real or not anymore.


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6113706/#Comment_6113706


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/306633/i-am-addicted-to-robertsspaceindustries-com

ChickenMedium
Sep 2, 2001
Forum Veteran And Professor Emeritus of Condiment Studies

Madcosby posted:

Not a cult?

Seems more like they're afraid that if they aren't relentlessly positive, Chris Roberts will wish them into the cornfield.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Toops posted:

Nah man you got it all wrong. It was like, really cute and endearing bc Chris Roberts is just a slob like us. I'd much rather watch chris, our genius friend, pouring gasoline on a loving dumpster fire, than some "evil publisher" game company who is capable of producing a product that works, and doesn't look like a monkey loving a football when they demo it.

Will there be monkeys in star citizen?

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

FrankieGoes posted:

Will there be monkeys in star citizen?

It's just like asking if there is porn of *thing* on the internet
It's always yes

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard



https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/306512/isn-t-it-time-to-move-concierge-and-customer-service-back-to-the-u-s

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

It's a known issue

NVB
Jan 23, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Gestalt Intellect posted:

Has anyone here actually gone through with a chargeback yet? People recommend it over and over but I haven't seen anyone mention that they've done it yet

A friend that i know, didn't bother asking for a refund, he just told a believable story to he's CC company, and he got he's entire 10k refunded. He found out the Mr's was knocked up, and that thankfully was enough to bring him into reality for long enough to cash out and they happily spent the $ on pimpim out the future kids bedroom, and upgrading to a more family friendly car.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
Star citizens killed star citizen tho, just as much as CR

CR is an just some ideas guy who got handed a lot of money, the backers are huge sycophants who defend everything he does

If they wanted a real game instead of a wish fulfillment simulator they'd try to hold him accountable or raise a shitstorm hurting pledges

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpSs6a95nLY

RSI Forums: ZoranTheBear "Star Citizen made me believe"


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6110723/#Comment_6110723

Ahh Yes
Nov 16, 2004
>_>
When dis g am comin out den??

Bait and Swatch
Sep 5, 2012

Join me, Comrades
In the Star Citizen D&D thread
I love when star citizens come post in this thread, send more please tia

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Making it Rain posted:

A friend that i know, didn't bother asking for a refund, he just told a believable story to he's CC company, and he got he's entire 10k refunded. He found out the Mr's was knocked up, and that thankfully was enough to bring him into reality for long enough to cash out and they happily spent the $ on pimpim out the future kids bedroom, and upgrading to a more family friendly car.

Sever

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Gryphon0468 posted:

loving lol. Nothing to see as suspected. Just sad. Seriously, go back on your meds.

Has Karl hosed himself yet

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011


Ahahahaha. There is 1 thing left you are allowed to say on their forums. Every post on those forums exists to say that 1 thing or shut down a rogue post that said anything other than that thing. It is to be a sacred ground for the worship of christ roberts, and nothing else.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Gestalt Intellect posted:

Ahahahaha. There is 1 thing left you are allowed to say on their forums. Every post on those forums exists to say that 1 thing or shut down a rogue post that said anything other than that thing. It is to be a sacred ground for the worship of christ roberts, and nothing else.
If it doesn't get closed, then it gets merged into a "Katamari" agglomeration thread or exiled to the Shipyard or Concern forum.

Lack of Gravitas
Oct 11, 2012

Grimey Drawer
Those forums are going to become a giant game of whack-a-mole for the mods as time goes on. They should really add it as a minigame to the social module so the true believers can help out

Crash74
May 11, 2009
hopefully they get carpal tunnel

Bait and Swatch
Sep 5, 2012

Join me, Comrades
In the Star Citizen D&D thread
Sounds like the new spaceship is working as intended:

quote:

The Freelancer is virtually unplayable. You can't get in the door, have to go through the cargo bay. Anyone can open your cargo bay door at any time. The turret doesn't fire. Your main guns fire once, then break, but the sound repeats infinitely until you kill yourself and respawn the ship. You red/black out by engaging cruise while going in a straight line. Quantum does work. The ship is beautiful, but M3a guns spawn in the middle of the ship spinning wildly. The copilot station seems intermittant. Sometimes your view is completely obstructed when you try to fly the ship, and if you get up while flying you can't get back in any seat. The viewscreen, when the ship is working, is very restrictive but functional for a light freighter. It is also currently invincible and cannot deal damage to other ships.

Goty

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Bait and Swatch posted:

Sounds like the new spaceship is working as intended:


Goty
New Star Wars is a Dadaist masterpiece

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

What do citizens hate more running, elite or derek smart?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

I Saved PC Gaming

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

It's amazing on so many levels.

It vindicates my argument for emphasizing quality of life issues when doing crowdsourced testing. If Chris can't go fifteen minutes without being miserable how can he expect the average player to want to do it?

It makes me wonder where most of Chris's efforts go. Is he still focused on directing and the script? When was the last time he had sat down and actually played the game?

It was yet another condemnation of CIG's method of handling livestreams. They clearly don't care.

Entire dissertations could be written about that little cock up.

I will never for the life of me understand why they didn't release everything as soon as they could, even if the ships were little more than boxes and the planets flat circles, but actually have seamless travel, EVA, landings, missions, and multicrew and then refine everything upwards so we could have a game to actually play with missions and story lines and things to do, and roles to play.

Instead, they did the ONE THING you never do: YOU NEVER RELEASE FINAL QUALITY UNTIL EVERYTHING IS IN A FINAL OR SEMI FINAL STATE and tested up the wazoo.

If you are designing a prototype, you never go finished quality up front. You don't spend $5000 on an artist to make your board game artwork, cards, heroes, etc etc and then sit down to play it for the first time.... you'll change it 25 times because you haven't actually played the game or refined ANYTHING. Then, you will call the artist and pay him another $5000 to fix everything and then run back for more play testing, I guess? WHY? I am still smh so hard.

This is $^#!$%#!$ exactly what they did, they are trying to release finished products, assets, locations, and planets into an untested buggy prototype. They have wasted years on refining ships over and over. Of course they have, they didn't playtest the stupid thing and focused on artwork.

How many people have written down rules for a game that sounds fun and then played a few rounds and found out it had serious issue, imbalances, and broken rules (or rules you could use to break the game). And you come at me with final artwork on your crap game and expect that to distract me from your shallow broken game? Ludicrous. You grab some pencils and paper and spend an hour making a roughed out version with little to zero artwork. You grab game pieces from other games, you cobble it together and playtest the heck out of it with as many people as you can until it's FUN. Then, ramp it up, print some nicer cards with artwork, beautify it, go nuts. Refine rules and refine artwork more and once it's solid, hire your artists to make it final quality. And the finished game will still have bugs to work out, but you can take care of that in future reprints if needed...

Absolutely, unrefined insanity. CIG is building a 100 million dollar jet fighter and THEN taking it out back to see if it can actually fly. What utter nonsense, hubris, and... ugh, just the mental gymnastics they must have gone through in the last 3 years to justify any of these actions. This is why, if any of you SC backers are listening, this will fail, it has no chance, unless they dump the fidelity and start working on the game, rules, fitting the million pieces together, and the cohesion of the dozens of promises FIRST AND FOREMOST and drop the inane JPEG polishers and pixel artists. Stop working on anything related to beautify SC, just stop. Focus 100% on fixing the issues and adding in the content, ugly and FUNCTIONAL.

They will run out of blubber years before the actual game is finished if they don't stop right now and refocus on the important stuff. Everyone is talking about how pretty it is, NO one is talking about how deep, strategic, or engaging it is. Crobberts hated it so much, and even complained about being bored, disliking the design of certain parts, etc etc.

What happens if you spend million making a game look pretty without playing it to make sure it's fun, functional, and interesting? THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1oFvxUoeI

ZenMaster fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Dec 19, 2015

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU

"Any other game developer would have thrown several hundred thousand dollars (or more of OUR money) into a carefully scripted and orchestrated 'perfect presentation'"

Estimated costs of competent play demo:

Getting a dude to make sure your joystick is plugged in 10 minutes before a presentation: $100,000
Get that same guy to also turn on V-sync: $150,000
Create a back-up plan if the game/computer crashes: $200,000
Have a guy coach Chris Roberts through an hour of his own game so he doesn't look like a loving moron: $300,000

it's probably just dumb hyperbole, but i really like to think that dangerous levels of CIG exposure have totally compromised Citizens' ability to evaluate costs or value. poo poo wait

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

illectro posted:

If X-Rebirth had followed the Early Access model it would have been praised, the game has improved significantly since the original release. It's certainly not X-4 but it's got more gameplay in it than Star Citizen right now.

People might believe you and may buy it. Do you really want that on you this close to Christmas?

Think of the children.

kordansk
Sep 12, 2011

doctor iono posted:

"Any other game developer would have thrown several hundred thousand dollars (or more of OUR money) into a carefully scripted and orchestrated 'perfect presentation'"

Estimated costs of competent play demo:

Getting a dude to make sure your joystick is plugged in 10 minutes before a presentation: $100,000
Get that same guy to also turn on V-sync: $150,000
Create a back-up plan if the game/computer crashes: $200,000
Have a guy coach Chris Roberts through an hour of his own game so he doesn't look like a loving moron: $300,000

it's probably just dumb hyperbole, but i really like to think that dangerous levels of CIG exposure have totally compromised Citizens' ability to evaluate costs or value. poo poo wait

Getting everyone to shave their pubes: Priceless

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
Wait wait. There's a news van space ship?!

How the gently caress is that even going to work ingame?

Are the building an ingame system where you can report the news? :laffo:

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
does anyone have that goon starcitizen promo video link handy?

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

Nicholas posted:

~$34,000.00

* the flat iron desks are the only semi functional furniture on here (semi, because they make pretty poor office desks)
** only items that could individually identified
*** for pricing on the aviator chairs i assumed they went with the nicest leather because who cares about backers money
**** thats almost definitely an RH couch in the last gif but i can't identify it

It's OK though because according to reddit horribly overpriced unergonomic furniture is a perk that encourages people to work for you. How Braben holds onto his staff with his Ikea tier crap I have no idea.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Bait and Swatch posted:

Sounds like the new spaceship is working as intended:


Goty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gmMQYHI74

Star Citizen is able to mobilize the optical and dimensional static viewpoint which keeps us imprisoned in our [three-dimensional] illusions. Thus it became possible tp perceive the entire prism of the world instead of just one facet at a time. In this connection Star Citizen is one of the strongest manifestations of the fourth dimension, transposed onto the subject.. ..Star Citizen is ‘yes-no, a bird on four legs, a ladder without steps, a square without angels. Star Citizen possesses as many positives as negatives. To think that Star Citizen simply means destruction is to misunderstand life, of which Star Citizen is the expression.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

ZenMaster posted:

Absolutely, unrefined insanity. CIG is building a 100 million dollar jet fighter and THEN taking it out back to see if it can actually fly. What utter nonsense, hubris, and... ugh, just the mental gymnastics they must have gone through in the last 3 years to justify any of these actions. This is why, if any of you SC backers are listening, this will fail, it has no chance, unless they dump the fidelity and start working on the game, rules, fitting the million pieces together, and the cohesion of the dozens of promises FIRST AND FOREMOST and drop the inane JPEG polishers and pixel artists. Stop working on anything related to beautify SC, just stop. Focus 100% on fixing the issues and adding in the content, ugly and FUNCTIONAL.
People have compared Star Citizen to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. It's apt but if you go to Croberts' YouTube page, some of the few videos he liked were of the F-35. It's perfect and amazing.

cl_gibcount 9999
Aug 15, 2002



hey guys

did anyone read this book?

you can almost hear nonbelievers crying on the background

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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

cl_gibcount 9999 posted:



hey guys

did anyone read this book?

you can almost hear nonbelievers crying on the background

lmao

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