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Alan Smithee posted:Food for thought, would building the game in Unreal Engine have made things any better? Unlikely, since they'd have to (re)build a lot of the guts anyway. It would be more suited for multiplayer, and it has a far more well-established history of being adapted for non-FPS use, which translates into more solutions and more expertise potentially being out there But really, the engine choice is itself a consequence rather than a cause. It may create its own set of issues, but in the end, it all comes back to poor management and uninformed (or lack of) basic design decisions. Tippis fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Sarsapariller posted:It's not going to be fixed in any way. CR just blew a bunch of smoke about some kind of reputation system and bounty generation and actual people enforcing the law. How well do you think any of that's going to work? When will it even be implemented? He doesn't talk like someone who has poo poo on lockdown, this is all still in the vague handwavey stage for him. It won't see the light of day for years and years. Even if it does, it will be the easiest thing in the world to game. Step one: accrue bounty. Step two: collect bounty from self with "Clean" account. Profit. He's just pandering to fans so they can say, "SEE WE TOLD YOU THE GRIEFERS WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS UP!" ED has NPC police who will shoot you and stations will wreck you if you break the rules, but you just respawn and keep playing. People grief all the time in ED. If you don't like it just go offline.
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Dec 22, 2015 08:51
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poo poo's gonna get real when people start losing their whale ships assuming it comes out and if it never does then in a way everyone loses their ships 
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A ton of stuff is going to have to be changed before they can start charging you ingame currency for losing ships. Right now you're at the mercy of everyone else in the server because they can wreck your ship pretty much any time but you don't actually lose anything other than time if it happens so it doesn't happen that much. Once that is tied to money you have to earn, incidents are going to jump dramatically. Every pad will have a handful of people hiding, waiting to dash inside once you unlock your ship. Stuff as simple as using LTI Auroras to smash ships as they spawn could bankrupt people even if they have LTI, because LTI only covers stock fittings and there is no way stock fittings are going to remain competitive when they charge real money to convert into game money to buy upgraded parts. Space Skeleton fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 08:56
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The idea of a swarm of goon pirate-ninjas swiping any available ship to create chaos makes me happy.
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Alan Smithee posted:Food for thought, would building the game in Unreal Engine have made things any better? There's a couple of schools of thought on this debate. UE has a much better support and tools system than CE. Warcabbit's doing his thing with UE, and for every dev hiccup he's run into, there has usually been a solution either available, made available shortly, or easy enough to self-fix on the user end. The other advantage of UE is how much middleware tech (speedtree, havok, etc) is more easily integrated into your build of UE than CE. On the other hand CryTek was head-over heels to make Star Citizen work, so far as to swallow their pride as CIG poached their programmers to work on the game full time. UE support wouldn't kowtow to CR so easily.
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Tokamak posted:If your ship gets stranded inside the armistice zone, the only way to clear the airspace is to ram it. I smell a profitable new venture.
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aleksendr posted:Male to female trans, but thats not important. Ah, righto. I confess to making an ignorant audio-based assessment then. Bona fide edit: I don't mock others because of their gender, whether chosen or not. A winter warmer by way of recompense (thanks Jamie): Jools’s favourite beef stew With butternut squash, spuds and artichokes Ingredients: olive oil 1 knob butter 1 onion , peeled and chopped 1 handful fresh sage leaves 800 g quality stewing steak or beef skirt , cut into 5cm pieces sea salt freshly ground black pepper flour , to dust 2 parsnips , peeled and quartered 4 carrots , peeled and halved ½ butternut squash , halved, deseeded and roughly diced 1 handful Jerusalem artichokes , peeled and halved, optional 500 g small potatoes 2 tablespoons tomato purée ½ bottle red wine 285 ml organic beef or vegetable stock 1 lemon , finely grated zest of 1 handful rosemary , leaves picked 1 clove garlic , peeled and finely chopped Method: Preheat the oven to 160ºC/300ºF/gas 2. Put a little oil and your knob of butter into an appropriately sized pot or casserole pan. Add your onion and all the sage leaves and fry for 3 or 4 minutes. Toss the meat in a little seasoned flour, then add it to the pan with all the vegetables, the tomato purée, wine and stock, and gently stir together. Season generously with freshly ground black pepper and just a little salt. Bring to the boil, place a lid on top, then cook in the preheated oven until the meat is tender. Sometimes this takes 3 hours, sometimes 4 – it depends on what cut of meat you’re using and how fresh it is. The only way to test is to mash up a piece of meat and if it falls apart easily it’s ready. Once it’s cooked, you can turn the oven down to about 110°C/225°F/gas ¼ and just hold it there until you’re ready to eat. The best way to serve this is by ladling big spoonfuls into bowls, accompanied by a glass of French red wine and some really fresh, warmed bread. Mix the lemon zest, chopped rosemary and garlic together and sprinkle over the stew before eating. Just the smallest amount will make a world of difference – as soon as it hits the hot stew it will release an amazing fragrance. bumbles fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Well I was going to do another write-up of PTU hilarity, but I just don't have the heart anymore. I'll write up what I did manage at least. After 2 hours of patching, I finally logged in. I'm told that 2.1 has the Freelancer and new "Physicalized" EVA, whatever that means. I've resolved to test both of these systems. My Mission: To steal a Freelancer, fly to the Covalex shipping hub, and pack the entire cargo hold full of zero-g office furniture before flying to my space lair in the moon of Veela or whatever it's called. Attempt 1: Spawn in, chat is full of people bitching about how broken everything is. Great sign! Go downstairs and there are like 10 people standing around the consoles- try one, can't spawn a ship, "All pads full." Go look out the window, all the pads are empty. Right, one of those nights then. I decide to fly over to the "B" pads and spawn a ship there- my goal here is to hunt for Freelancers and it's going to be hard to grab one if nobody can spawn one, but maybe I'll find one at one of the comm arrays. I jump off the landing pad and immediately notice- they've added horribly janky body-weight mechanics to EVA. Oh my god, it's like the running-around head bob but now it's in EVA form. The one part of FPS motion that I kind of liked is now a mess. Well that's great. I fly over to the B platform but apparently you need to orient yourself vertically now before you get too close, because as soon as I get about 30 feet up my character just faceplants straight into the deck. He's laying prone but he's stuck in the EVA animations and I can't loving move. I kill myself. Attempt 2: Same deal- spawn, fly to B platform. I'm in luck! Somebody has spawned a Freelancer and either glitched out or just left it. Either way, it's mine. I land properly this time and climb inside. Taking off, I jump over to Covalex. Chat is saying that warping isn't working but I'm able to fly just fine. I get to Covalex with no issues and decide I want to put the rear end end of this ship right up against the window so I don't have to float poo poo out to it. I maneuver into position, set the camera to rear-facing external, hit the reverse thrust just a smidge... and bump into some free-floating debris and go rocketing off at 1000 km/s in a spin so violent that it actually makes me a little physically nauseous. There's no recovery- after a minute and a half of wrestling with the controls I give up and get out of the pilot's seat. The ship immediately flings me through a wall and I am left in deep space. I kill myself. Attempt 3: Spawn, fly to B platform, once again there's a Freelancer there. That's odd- I wonder if one is just there right now, for people to test with? Or am I just repeatedly stealing some poor bastard's ship? This one is hosed up- the landing gear are all clipping through the pad so the whole thing is bumping and grinding like R Kelly on a 16 year old prostitute. I manage to get inside- once again there's a weird free floating gun spawned in the middle of the ship. Seriously that and the landing gear seem to be issues on every ship they release- why don't they test this stuff even a little? But I get it off the pad and back to Covalex. This time I don't try to jam it up against the station- I park discreetly alongside.  I float inside and find an office chair in the lobby. Objects do seem to behave appropriately in zero-g zero-atmosphere environments, as opposed to characters- the player avatar will grind to a halt as soon as you stop thrusting but the props will move with whatever velocity is imparted to them. So I have to be very careful and subtle in my movements. My first attempt sees me hitting the chair way too hard and wanging it off the inside wall of the station. I give up on that one and grab a different chair- lucky for me there's plenty of space office furniture to furnish my future pirate lair. I maneuver this one out the broken window and caaaarefully, caaaarefully tap it until it drifts into the back of my ship, at which point my ship's gravity takes over and it clatters to the floor. Success!  Unfortunately the act of screenshotting it causes my game to crash. Oh well, gently caress it. Mission status: 1/2 complete. Final Thoughts: Game is not really improving in terms of stability or jankiness, but they appear to be adding more content in the form of missions and ships. This isn't really worrying to me, because it's likely that the pipelines for tech fixes and the pipeline for content generation aren't really crossing paths that often. What does bother me is that the new poo poo seems to be broken in exactly the same way as the old poo poo, and that suggests that they are not learning from their mistakes. If every single goddamn ship is going to come out with clipping errors and physics grid issues.... well I'd like to make some kind of ultimatum, but it's not like assholes are going to stop handing them money. I guess keep doing what you're doing, CIG, it seems to be working out great for you (right up until the Feds come knocking).
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Thank you again for taking one for the team and sharing the experience with us.
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Sarsapariller posted:Final Thoughts: Game is not really improving in terms of stability or jankiness, but they appear to be adding more content in the form of missions and ships. This isn't really worrying to me, because it's likely that the pipelines for tech fixes and the pipeline for content generation aren't really crossing paths that often. What does bother me is that the new poo poo seems to be broken in exactly the same way as the old poo poo, and that suggests that they are not learning from their mistakes. If every single goddamn ship is going to come out with clipping errors and physics grid issues.... well I'd like to make some kind of ultimatum, but it's not like assholes are going to stop handing them money. I guess keep doing what you're doing, CIG, it seems to be working out great for you (right up until the Feds come knocking). it's a fundamental engine problem, that's why new stuff is broken the same as the old their physics system is clearly hacky, inaccurate and full of jank
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Someone brought up Eve and this guy didn't like it.  https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/307405/i-m-not-trusting-anyone-in-the-verse/p4
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Don't know about you guys but I require a stress-free environment to properly
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what would WOW represent in his argument, the whole never losing your character thing when you die?
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If there is no conflict where is the game? Where is the game?
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Sillybones posted:If there is no conflict where is the game? Smaug Citizen: he who hoards the most wins.
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Yo neon, how we doing the triathlon? I am committed to this new, and enlarging, version of ritual suicide. I do not have a katana, but I do have a replacement weapon to make sure I fully commit to seeing this through. And by that I mean clogging up my arteries with that lovely Pizza Hut grease. I promise to document my progress in tandem with Chris Roberts' Magnum Opus, Wing Commander. If I die, my roommate will take over the challenge. Sillybones posted:If there is no conflict where is the game? Right on your internet. All you need to do is reach out and touch Chris Roberts dream, and you will be transported to a virtual world of fun and excitement that can only rival RollerCoaster Tycoon 1's amount of killing innocents, faulty rides, and copious vomiting.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Yo neon, how we doing the triathlon? If I had the money, I would be all over this like, well, grease on pizza. Leave you all running home to cry to Mama.
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BeefThief posted:Pusher Roberts is here to protect you from the terrible secret of space Jpegs Shover Roberts is here to shove money into the hands of real estate agents, car dealers and purveyors of overpriced furniture.
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Samizdata posted:If I had the money, I would be all over this like, well, grease on pizza. Leave you all running home to cry to Mama. I think it'll be quite easy. Seeing Matthew Lillard will make me want to throw up and, with luck, I might even lose weight!
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I think it'll be quite easy. Seeing Matthew Lillard will make me want to throw up and, with luck, I might even lose weight! Ummmmm, I like Matthew Lillard in many roles. Proof I would dominate you all with my titanium guts. (Of course, if you vomit, I will be over here, so all is well.)
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Dec 22, 2015 11:21
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I respectfully suggest the triple threat challenge only be carried out with Pan pizzas. As detailed previously, a medium pan pizza is (or at lest was) basically fried in a full ounce of oil a piece, while Italian style doughs are far less fatty. Also, unless the participant is vegetarian, the at least one of the toppings must be greasy meat.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:25
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Fatkraken posted:I respectfully suggest the triple threat challenge only be carried out with Pan pizzas. As detailed previously, a medium pan pizza is (or at lest was) basically fried in a full ounce of oil a piece, while Italian style doughs are far less fatty. Pepperoni and Meatlover are the ONLY options. 
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Dec 22, 2015 11:28
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I think that giant wall of text just went over my head and kept on sailing.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:38
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Libluini posted:I think that giant wall of text just went over my head and kept on sailing. Markov chains are mathematically incapable of lying. If that's what that is, then there is truth in there somewhere to be found.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:41
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hakimashou posted:Someone brought up Eve and this guy didn't like it.  This poo poo is bugging me. Stop Capitalizing poo poo It Makes You Seem Even More Culty Also:  lol
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Dec 22, 2015 11:50
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:
He is talking about the Design. The all encompassing Design spawned from the mind of the computer gaming master Chris Roberts.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:53
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This is his Design.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:58
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"Design is law", as they say in successful game development circles.
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Dec 22, 2015 12:00
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Fil5000 posted:This is His Design. A small but important fix.
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Dec 22, 2015 12:04
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Chalks posted:He is talking about the Design. The all encompassing Design spawned from the mind of the computer gaming master Chris Roberts. Apostasy! The only TRUE Design is the Smart one. I gotta torch here if you want discuss this further...
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Dec 22, 2015 12:06
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Hail Design!
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Dec 22, 2015 12:32
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Je suis Design
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LastCaress posted:A culprit hurts a cheerful bookshop.
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Dec 22, 2015 12:39
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Ceci n'est pas une Design.
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Dec 22, 2015 12:50
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DarkSol posted:Ceci n'est pas une Design. Voulez-vous coucher avec Design?
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Dec 22, 2015 12:52
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Voulez-vous coucher avec Design? Depends. Is it InDesign?
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Tippis posted:Depends. Is it InDesign? That's what she said 
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