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Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

Dogstoyevsky posted:

Bootcha/fuzzknot come on guys there is a very dominant school of thought that says chili is not supposed to have beans and you gotta acknowledge that at least, it's like ignoring the 95 theses to say that chili must have beans.

Beans is a northern thing. For what it's worth, beans are a cheap replacement for more meat. I suppose I concentrate on overall taste and texture.

On the other hand, I'm also still wracking my head about a "Chicago Dog" style chili: Ground pork and chicken, a dollop of neon sweet relish, chopped hotdogs, a spear of pickle, stuff like that. Might have to investigate bread bowls of black poppy seeds. More sweet and savory than hot.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:17

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 13:51

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

Rich white person does not eat beans big surprise.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:18

bawk: Mar 31, 2013

Bait and Swatch posted:

I dont think this is the right thread for you if shitposting and bad insults make you mad friend

you may just want to move on

i have read every post of every page of this thread i love and cherish

gryphon is just boring, bad, and getting exactly what he wants before the belt tightens around his neck enough and he shoots into his hand. make him work for it you dummies.

anyway I have a stolen goon recipe to contribute!

Goon from 2011 posted:

Homemade Simple Cheesecake

4 packages cream cheese (I use Neufchatel)
1/3 cup sour cream
4 eggs
1 cup sugar

Mix the cream cheese, sour cream and sugar. Add in eggs one at a time making sure they are well blended in before adding the next.

Pour into pan with graham cracker crust and cook for 55-60 minutes at 300 degrees.

After it's done cool for 5 hours.

After 5 hours coat the top with cherry pie filling or homemade fruit compote.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:19

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Tippis posted:

Hobbes was the ~~K'zin~~ Kilrathi (space cat) deserter who flew with you throughout a bajillion previous missions, helping you take out some of the upper echelon of the Kilrathi leadership and turning the war around.

In WC3, between you deciding whether to nail the pornstar mechanic or the girl-next-door ace pilot, Hobbes is revealed to be a deep sleeper agent who's out to ruin your reputation and get you out of the way as the space cats launch their final attack on Earth. Because obviously, that whole traitor thing worked out so well in WC2 and it only makes sense that the cat who was instrumental in the murder of all those cat royalty was totes out to get you all along�

Did the WC 1&2 writer at any point come out and say "this change is dumb hacky bullshit" or anything like that? I can't imagine making an interesting character only to have someone take it over and go nooooooooope gently caress that complex stuff he's super sekrit spai even though it makes zero goddamn sense.

Dark Off posted:

Esperia-Glaive

1997 Batman & robin concept art shown during 1:31:53

I wonder what happens when marvel discovers glaive?

Batman isn't a Marvel IP. :ssh:

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:19

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...; Grimey Drawer

Decrepus posted:

Rich white person does not eat beans big surprise.

You need to add "in America" to that, the civilized world has no problems with beans in rich white person meals.

Back on topic, I've read up again what is planned for exploration in Star Citizen and wow, it's basically the same as in 2013, when I first checked. Everything seems either not very well thought out (with about a hundred systems, there'll be more players then jump points to find, even with jump points changing over time, this is just not going to work out) or incredibly half-baked, with descriptions like "presumably" and "it will be".

Nothing of this apparently made it into their tech demo anyway, so the 2016 release seems more and more unlikely. Really, the best outcome for CIG is a Squadron 42 release, followed by a mess of buggy persistent universe releases just so they can bag whatever money is left and skamper away. Because Star Citizen is really, really unlikely to survive long enough for even half that crap to be implemented. And with some ideas being outright demented, it probably would be even worse if they were implemented.

This is the thread I've looked at, most of the sources seem to be whatever was going to a certain developer's mind at the moment.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:26

Ash1138: Sep 29, 2001; Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

SelenicMartian posted:

Not free. He paid for it.

even worse!

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:29

Lack of Gravitas: Oct 11, 2012; Grimey Drawer

D_Smart posted:

He's on ignore; so I don't see anything from him. Please don't quote him anymore as that defeats the purpose of an ignore list.

Can you tell us who else is on your ignore list so we know who not to quote in future

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:38

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

A Redditor posted:

key staff leaving does look bad, but i would say they just announced too early. so now we're all mad and they've just begun. it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't just announce a cancellation if the game was in fact canceled.

A Redditor posted:

You do realize it's only been a year since they've gone silent with a buyout. DBG event will be in 2016 where they'll update everyone on what the company is doing. Most games take 3-5 years for release. I don't think DBG would be paying all there developers to come in the office and hangout.

I was browsing the eq next sub today and some of the die hards are beginning to sound a lot like Citizens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/3y7w2q/what_event_most_killed_eqnext/

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:48

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Breetai posted:

It was finally Christmas, and all through the day,
Not a Goon was shitposting; not even Eonwe.
The Goons were all feasting, and filled with great cheer,
In the hope that more Baby Pu bugs would appear.

The White Knights were nestled all snug in the 'Verse,
Defending Chris Roberts while gameplay got worse.
Sandi in fake tattoos, seeking attention,
Shed crocodile tears at a dumb nerd convention.

When from Awful App there arose such a clatter,
I rushed to my smartphone to see what's the matter.
I picked up my Samsung, quick as a flash,
A shitposter? Here? Was it Karl, or Seraph?

My excitement built, then as quickly departed,
A scrub-tier Star Citizen had said "You're Retarded."
A cacophonous clatter; Goons started to shout,
All chiming in to yell "Gryphon, ".

When what did my wondering eyes just then see,
But an internet warlord, Derek Smart (M.D.).
At the shitposter he scowled "Get thee hence."
"By the way, goons, please purchase Line of Defense."

His brow, it then furrowed. His eyes had a gleam.
His knuckles were bloody (from a vending machine).
He glanced at his refund from CIG's store,
And girded his loins for an Internet War.

"Come MeLKor, come AP, come Neurotic Jew,"
"On Beer4TheBeerGod, and Loiosh, too!"
"On The Escapist, Peter Gabriel,"
"On Sarspariller and on G0RF as well!"

"Reveal now how CIG's on its last legs,"
"With costs that outstrip income selling jpegs."
"With a toxic community, gameplay that's poo poo,"
"And a janky old engine that's 32-bit."

The Citizens rallied, and began to bash Smart;
"Our game's in development, yours is a shart!"
Smart said: "That's no matter! Your point here is moot!"
"Just wait two more weeks 'till I file my lawsuit!"

Then the citizens faltered; as since the reveal,
Of the 2.0 update they'd lost some appeal.
They were stared in the face by the reality,
That they could lose ships when they're in PVP.

They stood there confused, and posted with dread:
"This game was much better when all in my head!"
They saw just how poorly the game had been coded,
The community fractured, and quickly imploded.

Arguing increased as the game took shape,
Equivocating that to gank was to rape.
"Piracy? Murder! Fighting shouldn't take place!"
"I'll lose my Idris if there's battles in space!"

They turned on their own, and then started to brawl,
Some arguing fiercely "No combat at all!"
On the merits and downfalls the carebears did harp,
But to Goons, Merry Christmas, and to all a good PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARP.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 16:51

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Sarsapariller posted:

I was browsing the eq next sub today and some of the die hards are beginning to sound a lot like Citizens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/3y7w2q/what_event_most_killed_eqnext/

That's a good point. So we can see something of a pattern here; socially inept, frequently mentally disabled shutins get lost in a virtual world during the 90s, then go apeshit when they see the opportunity to do it again 20 years later. They can't accept that it won't happen.

So besides Everquest and Wing Commander, what are some other niche IPs with autistic followers from that time period? If we can figure out another one, let's start a Kickstarter project to recreate it.

We can't lose.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:12

FatherChristmas: Nov 9, 2012; 'Tis the season

Karl, fucketh thyself.

Sarsapariller posted:

I was browsing the eq next sub today and some of the die hards are beginning to sound a lot like Citizens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/3y7w2q/what_event_most_killed_eqnext/

I'm not even remotely surprised about this. EQ's popularity took off during a time when it was really the only game in town, and it was a massive time sink that really no one outside of existing MMO players can devote to (who are mostly playing WoW or EVE or whatever at this point). Trying to resurrect it seems like an exercise in folly.

Anyone who remembers sitting and waiting several span of minutes to regenerate mana positively along with all the unnecessary time wasting is trading entirely on nostalgia and is going to get a sad, steamy turd if they try to bring it back to life.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:24

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

If I don't come back alive, tell Derek Smart:

PARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP

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# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:27

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

Decrepus posted:

Rich white person does not eat beans big surprise.

Fuk u beans rok.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:27

FatherChristmas: Nov 9, 2012; 'Tis the season

Karl, fucketh thyself.

Scruffpuff posted:

That's a good point. So we can see something of a pattern here; socially inept, frequently mentally disabled shutins get lost in a virtual world during the 90s, then go apeshit when they see the opportunity to do it again 20 years later. They can't accept that it won't happen.

So besides Everquest and Wing Commander, what are some other niche IPs with autistic followers from that time period? If we can figure out another one, let's start a Kickstarter project to recreate it.

We can't lose.

I hear Myst was really popular.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:28

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

pftc posted:

If I don't come back alive, tell Derek Smart:

PARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP

What the gently caress is Zulu Time? Why did they choose rear end-teroids for a military base? That's a loving horrible location for a high traffic operation.

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# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:38

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Poor Bootcha you can fool a bunch of idiot goons but you'll never fool an auditor.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:40

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

pftc posted:

What the gently caress is Zulu Time? Why did they choose rear end-teroids for a military base? That's a loving horrible location for a high traffic operation.

Zulu time is another way to say GMT.

Which makes total sense as to why they would use it on an asteroid base nowhere near earth.

Because reasons.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:40

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

xanif posted:

Zulu time is another way to say GMT.

Which makes total sense as to why they would use it on an asteroid base nowhere near earth.

Because reasons.

Why do they have Nokia in the future?

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# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:41

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

pftc posted:

Why do they have Nokia in the future?

Now you understand by humans are losing the war in Wing Commander.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:44

serious norman: Dec 13, 2007; im pickle rick!!!!

pftc posted:

Why do they have Nokia in the future?

Finland world overtake 2019

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:45

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Read it! Just... just READ IT! :siren:

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:46

serious norman: Dec 13, 2007; im pickle rick!!!!

MeLKoR posted:

Read it! Just... just READ IT!

Good.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:49

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

comatose posted:

Does anyone actually understand their logic on PTU build numbering? Ignoring the whole 2.0 thing for an alpha, the patch notes from 2.0x to 2.1 are bug fixes and a new ship which for some reason means they went up a version number and also make you download the whole client again.

They aren't even sticking to conventional build numbering anymore. Take a look at their build numbering for the v1.x engine (used by AC) and compare to v2.x and you'll see.

I suspect that it ties into croberts wanting to give the illusion of major progress. And ofc he used that to justify no longer giving refunds.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:52

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Tokamak posted:

It's the illusion of progress. Look at all the hard work the devs put in in the lead up to chris-mas. They managed to get a major patch out just in time for the holiday break. Aren't you thankful? At this pace, the game will be out in no time.

Yup.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:53

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

The main problem is Chris Roberts sets up so many internal rules for his own film, and he breaks those rules whenever. So there's no loving point.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 17:57

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

MeLKoR posted:

Read it! Just... just READ IT!

This is Karl's best post ever. "you make some good points but if I acknowledge them I have to alter my world view and there's no way that's happening so here's some spurious nonsense to justify my tunnel vision"

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:00

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

This is the reaction the actor has after this line:
"What happens if we miss?"
"We die."

I too would want the sweet release of death, instead of a Chris Roberts film.

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# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:03

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

I backed Star Citizen with $30,000 and to be honest I see no problem with the development or wanting to gently caress Sonic the Hedgehog.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:03

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Decrepus posted:

I backed Star Citizen with $30,000 and to be honest I see no problem with the development or wanting to gently caress Sonic the Hedgehog.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:04

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

Shhh! They are bombing us in space. They might hear us through a vaccum!

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:09

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Cao Ni Ma posted:

So Chris is saying he wants development to take a more "date driven" patch schedule but of course no dates are being announced to the public so I'm assuming its more piling additional pressure on the developers. He wants a patch every month.

Last game I saw trying to do this was Wildstar and it ended with horribly broken patches that would destroy the economy and leave massive class breaking bugs. Good think SC doesn't have an economy yet to destroy and they aren't even bothering with balance yet or it might have been an issue.

Yes, it's a horrible idea. Which is why, most of us who have shipped games, don't do that. Even for LOD, I announce and list what's coming in the next patch since that's what is being worked on for imminent release.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:10

pftc: Oct 1, 2015

Dapper Dan posted:

Shhh! They are bombing us in space. They might hear us through a vaccum!

I made it 15 minutes so far.

I need a break before I continue.

I'm exhausted just watching this.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:11

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

MeLKoR posted:

Read it! Just... just READ IT!

Hey Karl? How about loving yourself.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:19

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

It's true. All of it!

Bootcha have you considered this for an avatar? :laugh:

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:22

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Scruffpuff posted:

I enjoy the reasoning, as the SC "Alpha" moves along its versions, and "bug fixes" are applied, and the product becomes "more stable" - sentence ended due to quotation mark limit violation

The reason I enjoy this so much, is watching linear thought process that the Shitizens are using to conclude that the game will obviously be released. The reasoning is easy to follow, and goes as such:

1) There is something to play right now (sort of)
2) Each patch fixes bugs
3) Each release number goes up
4) Each release is more stable

and then the logical conclusion:

5) Therefore with enough time, the game will be out

NONE of the cultists have seen the disconnect between #4 and #5. None of them. Their logic is flawless - the engine can be tweaked and patched forever, into infinite potential, simply given enough time - this is as undeniable as the scientifically-provable fact that a Honda Civic can eventually be tweaked and adjusted into an F1 racer without changing out the engine or any other parts.

Now I know some of the developers who left the company knew this. They knew the inherent limit of the engine, saw the writing on the wall, and bailed. There are developers there today who know the limit, and some of those are preparing to bail. Others are just moving the goalposts of the project to fit within the limits of what the engine can do, using the quite deliberate obfuscation of what the gently caress this game is even supposed to be as a shield rather than a liability. If nobody knows what the game is, they can't prove the engine can't do it.

I love all this because it's like watching a train wreck in the world's slowest motion. We know that the Alpha patch releases, and the actual performance of said releases, are going to converge into a singularity where the existing engine has been tweaked to its absolute limit, all bugs are fixed, and the game still can't and won't run because they were using the wrong solution from the jump. But the citizens not only don't know that, but actually can't know that - even those with experience in the industry - because cult behavior shuts down the critical thinking centers of the brain as its first order of business.

This is excellent from nearly every perspective. Look at Chris during his recent video appearances and compare them to those from 2, 3 years ago. Look at his eyes. He knows, beyond a doubt, what's coming. He doesn't care about scope creep, physics, ships, design, systems, economy - gently caress it. He's not completely stupid; he knows he mismanaged and misspent this project directly into the ground. SQ42 is his Hail Mary pass - his way to justify to himself that he is not a complete failure. If that goes out, in any form at all, he will add that to his internal monologue as a success. I've worked with CEOs before who give up on their company, and they all get the same look in their eyes when they "check out". This man is riding out the clock.

Yup, pretty much.

It's also the reason why croberts can make statements like this, without batting an eyelid.

quote:

the biggest yet in gaming thanks to 64 bit floating point positional coordinates

quote:

2.0 shows the naysayers it can be done!

quote:

First of all, our amazing, million-strong community <--- this is false btw.

quote:

80,000 backers have explored Crusader in 2.0 in the week since its launch. <-- out of "million-strong communbity". yeah, let's brag about that, shall we?

quote:

so too has Star Citizen been improved by other space games in development <-- yeah, which is why you had your guys hack a procgen planet in CryEngine editor, then plonked Nyx in the middle because of NMS, Battlescape & ED: Horizons

Scruffpuff posted:

Their logic is to lie for marketing purposes. A real game reaches "Alpha" when all the game systems are completed and functioning, and you can see what the whole game will look like when finished, but when no comprehensive QA and bug sweep have been completed. A real game reaches "Beta" when they believe they have fixed all the bugs - then it will either go to closed or open playtesters for another bugsweep. Then they go "Gold", ship the game, then we all download a 6TB zero-day patch because nobody gives a poo poo about QA any more.

SC is not a real game, so they call a minor tech demo an "Alpha", then they stick 2.0 on it because even people's grandparents have learned from lying marketing assholes in every conceivable product sector that "2.0" is the equivalent of a perfected product.

You need to download the client every patch because they have gigantic .pak files and their patcher can't properly patch binaries. So you have to fully redownload each 2GB file every time they change something. It's not even a patcher really - it just compares your files to theirs and makes you download every file that doesn't match their published version. Since there are only around 200 files in the entire installation, the bulk of the game is the 25 files in the Data folder (30GB total), you can see how you can suck up internet bandwidth real quick whenever a new .jpeg needs lens flare added.

It's not just marketing purposes, but also to show some progress. Despite it being 99% bug fixes due to the premature release of 2.0 for the anniversary stream.

They don't have any "patching" strategy. At all. All they do is add/remove/update certain files. Hence the consistent size of the build releases. And since they use Perforce, that's why they can do it that way. The monthly server costs are phenomenal and there is no way that they can sustain this. They have to introduce proper binary file patching at some point. But since most sane people don't expect them to be around long enough to do that, that's probably a moot point.

ps: Usually, after Beta, you go to Release Candidate for a final sweep; before going Gold.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:28

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Lvlcapgaming got a new video on SC up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL7maX7l824

He sounds very positive about it. Wonder how much he spent.....

e: first real negative words came 10 minutes in. Seems legit.

BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 26, 2015

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:31

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Bootcha posted:

quote:
Daztek posted:
Also merry Christmas, Bootcha, you're getting famous

Mr. Smalls brags about attempted RSI hostile take over. Who the gently caress is Bootcha?

I suppose being Reddit infamous is better than being Reddit famous.

quote:

I suppose my parting statement would be, if you held CR to a fraction of the scrutiny that you exhibit towards Derek Smart, Star Citizen would be a better product for it.

Yup, pretty much.

Shockingly, Karl doesn't know how NDAs actually work. He actually thinks they're meant to suppress Freedom Of Speech, as opposed to the protection of contractual obligations, trade secrets etc - and which weren't already known to the public.

quote:

I sure shed a tear or two reading your Christmas story, but if I buy your poo poo I could honestly believing Smart too. To be honest Smart provides more evidence than you do and that is surely a difficult task. The NDA you signed is also a funny one. You're allowed to talk about your investment. You're allowed to talk about employee harrassment and why you are ending your involvement, but you are not allowed to show us your bank account where we can see that you got your money back? Do you live in Korea or what? But the best thing is clearly your last sentences. Hey CIG is wasting money, laying off people, harassing people but sure as hell I am gonna play this game because of my high morale standards. That's exactly the same poo poo beer is doing you are such a hypocrite.

D_Smart fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 26, 2015

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:35

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

D_Smart posted:

The monthly server costs are phenomenal and there is no way that they can sustain this.

That's a fairly bold statement. How are they structuring their servers, and how much are the two LOD servers costing you per month?

Just as a comparison.

# ? Dec 26, 2015 18:40