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E: oh, check out Captain Brevity up there ^^^Khablam posted:You generally get less out of exploits on 64bit systems. Address Space Layout Randomization, always-on hardware DEP, kernel patch protection and forced driver signing make the system more robust to buffer overflows and rootkits. ASLR is more effective on 64-bit (it's really not very useful on 32-bit at all), but a 32-bit OS can use DEP and require drivers to be signed. That's just a policy choice, not something inherent to being a 64-bit architecture. Similarly, Microsoft could have done the KPP obfuscation and critical-value checks in Win32, they just didn't want to break compatibility. They used the transition to 64-bit to tighten down a number of things, but they could equally have done it at any new version point. (They haven't published the details of KPP, so there might be some aspect of the implementation that relies on x64, but the general strategy of it would be fine on a 32-bit OS.)
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Right, but we're talking win 32 vs win 64, so whether something is actually implemented is more relevant than arguing whether it could be or not. I personally think hardware DEP for all processes is better than software opt-in which could theoretically be toggled off by some malware to allow further exploitation, but yeah in theory it's been around a while.
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Khablam posted:Right, but we're talking win 32 vs win 64, so whether something is actually implemented is more relevant than arguing whether it could be or not. The post I replied to was making general statements about 64-bit architectures and "code rigor enforcement", as far as I can tell, which is why I asked for more detail. Maybe the poster will clarify. DEP can and will use the NX bit in a 32-bit Windows, as long as PAE is enabled, going back to Vista.
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Subjunctive posted:DEP can and will use the NX bit in a 32-bit Windows, as long as PAE is enabled, going back to Vista. XP SP2 actually. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/875352
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Dec 27, 2015 03:55
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Jeoh posted:are you running Pro? you could run the Current Branch for Business and skip out on all the feature packs, just get security upgrades No, home unfortunately. I just hate MS forcing whatever they want, it's not like they don't make mistakes or take liberties with your preferences. How do they handle drivers? For example, will it try to give you the newest WHQL cert video driver or whatever if it sees yours as older?
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Dec 27, 2015 19:45
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slidebite posted:"MS forcing whatever they want"... "take liberties with your preferences" Oh come on, enough with the victimization terminology. MS is not raping you. Just use a different OS.
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Dec 27, 2015 19:47
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slidebite posted:No, home unfortunately. I just hate MS forcing whatever they want, it's not like they don't make mistakes or take liberties with your preferences. Turn off updates if you don't want updates.
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Dec 27, 2015 19:55
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WorkingStiff posted:Oh come on, enough with the victimization terminology. MS is not raping you. Just use a different OS. Oh boy.
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Dec 27, 2015 20:00
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No, they are not "raping you" and I am not trying to use hyperbole. My point is I've purposely had my preferences to, for example, not to do certain updates (whatever) and not share (whatever) but then after a windows update it's all overridden to whatever they want. That's the kind of stuff I don't like. Are they going to steal my identity? No, I really don't think so, but could an auto-update and change of settings inadvertently put in some sort of an exploit? I don't know but it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. I am sure I will go to X before the free term ends, I just don't see any reason to do it yet. 8.1 is running great and even 7 runs well on the 2nd system so I just don't see what the upside is at this point.
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WorkingStiff posted:Oh come on, enough with the victimization terminology. MS is not raping you. Just use a different OS. What the gently caress
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:What the gently caress slidebite posted:"MS forcing whatever they want"... "take liberties with your preferences"
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Dec 27, 2015 23:39
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That's just an rear end in a top hat thing to say. "Use a different OS". OK yeah let me quit my Windows admin gig and go full linux because I dislike how Microsoft is pushing loving Candy Crush down on each user without me having to gently caress around with the registry.
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Dec 28, 2015 00:05
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For those with Optimus systems. Intel quietly slipped out an updated graphics driver on the 26th that stops the constant crashing and bluescreens.
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Dec 28, 2015 01:34
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GreenNight posted:That's just an rear end in a top hat thing to say. "Use a different OS". OK yeah let me quit my Windows admin gig and go full linux because I dislike how Microsoft is pushing loving Candy Crush down on each user without me having to gently caress around with the registry. They're just making sure you have enough work to keep your job.
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Maybe I am looking at this unreasonably, so I'll say outright what most of my concerns are with MS & Win X and I can either be told they are not issues to be concerned about, easily remedied, or will just have to live with it. 1) Auto updates for drivers. About 2-3 years ago I noticed my PC was only giving me about 700KB/sec that typically gave me 3megabyte/sec on my DSL connection. Once I narrowed down it wasn't my DSL connection, I troubleshooted it to a lovely driver MS automatically gave me for my wifi card. Once I removed it and rolled back the driver, it was smooth sailing with my full speed network connection. However it gave me some frustration because i never even knew it was even installed without me digging into my update history as I was troubleshooting. Ever since then I have switched to manual updates only and do it every day or two and have never had a problem since as I just hid that driver update. Could this happen with WinX and the auto downloads? Will it even give me drivers I don't want? Can I hide driver updates if not serious security updates? I do understand security updates and do have all of them on my PCs, but the "optional" or "recommended" updates are the ones I am mostly concerned about. 2) Automatically changing security/privacy settings without my knowledge. Can an auto update do that or are they configured in some sort of way to not override a user chosen security setting? 3) For the whole update process, I have a laptop which I use on the road a lot (business) so I am in hotels several nights a month. Most hotels I stay in are not metered connections, however they are generally lovely connections. I do browse the net a lot at nights, sometimes do teleconference or game as well. Having a 500MB update going on in the background on a crappy borderline dialup speed connection for something I don't even need is not going to help matters. Is it possible to make updates only happen on "HOME" networks or will it try to download them regardless? I don't want to have to make a point of always asking my hotel at check in what their internet policy/connection is like in case my laptop decides it's time to download a fat update for the next incarnation of Windows games or whatever the hell it thinks I need. I would also rather not need to remember to make every new internet connection a metered/limited connection because sometimes it might be a good unmetered fat pipe and I wouldn't really mind. I think those are the biggies that are holding me back from going to WinX. I'd appreciate someone who knows more about WinX than I do giving me their thoughts without hyperbole because I really don't know. slidebite fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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FYI I can just scroll up to read your dumb post, no need to quote yourself
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GreenNight posted:That's just an rear end in a top hat thing to say. "Use a different OS". OK yeah let me quit my Windows admin gig and go full linux because I dislike how Microsoft is pushing loving Candy Crush down on each user without me having to gently caress around with the registry.
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GreenNight posted:That's just an rear end in a top hat thing to say. "Use a different OS". OK yeah let me quit my Windows admin gig and go full linux because I dislike how Microsoft is pushing loving Candy Crush down on each user without me having to gently caress around with the registry. If you're still having problems with Candy Crush, you weren't a good Windows admin anyways.
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slidebite posted:I think those are the biggies that are holding me back from going to WinX. I'd appreciate someone who knows more about WinX than I do giving me their thoughts without hyperbole because I really don't know. Nah, you're not being unreasonable. Neither Windows Updates nor driver updates are perfect, and Microsoft isn't giving anyone any reasonable Opt-Out options. I found this, but I haven't tested it yet. You can also tell Windows 10 to defer updates, but that doesn't work on all updates from my understanding (Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced Options). Setting your WIFI to metered will also defer updates (Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > Advanced Options); this will also affect some capital-A Apps by slowing or limiting internet connectivity.
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Whizbang posted:If you're still having problems with Candy Crush, you weren't a good Windows admin anyways. This is basically the only way to fix it: http://blogs.technet.com/b/mniehaus/archive/2015/11/23/seeing-extra-apps-turn-them-off.aspx Also it's just with build 1511, so I'm not sure where you're coming from. It's not like it's been an issue since the original win10 release. And of course you have to install build 1511 specific ADMX templates to even see the GPO.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:FYI I can just scroll up to read your dumb post, no need to quote yourself Hey, I' m just helping you out since you are uncomfortable with tech. Show me on the doll where Windows 10 touched you.
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If you don't see anything wrong with the trackpad scroll direction arbitrarily reversing (as happen every time Windows decides to update the driver) then that's fine but it annoys the heck out of me.
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WorkingStiff posted:Oh come on, enough with the victimization terminology. MS is not raping you. Just use a different OS. As a guy that had to deal with the bullshit associated with the Lync -> Skype for Business transition, I'm perfectly content calling it rape. But yeah, let's get enterprises running Linux at the desktop level.
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GrizzlyCow posted:Nah, you're not being unreasonable. Neither Windows Updates nor driver updates are perfect, and Microsoft isn't giving anyone any reasonable Opt-Out options. I found this, but I haven't tested it yet. You can also tell Windows 10 to defer updates, but that doesn't work on all updates from my understanding (Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced Options). Setting your WIFI to metered will also defer updates (Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > Advanced Options); this will also affect some capital-A Apps by slowing or limiting internet connectivity.
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WorkingStiff posted:Hey, I' m just helping you out since you are uncomfortable with tech. Show me on the doll where Windows 10 touched you.
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I had a fun one with Windows 10 and a client's laptop this week. He upgraded Win 7 to 10 on his Lenovo E520. It worked for a few months. The november patch happened and it was no longer able to boot. It would halt during boot with a 0xc000000f code which basically meant a device wasn't present or available. It turns out the main data partition had been changed from NTFS to RAW (or otherwise unreadable). You could get it back to NTFS with chkdsk but it still wouldn't boot. I checked the disk for errors, updated the bios, tried another disk, as well as the half a dozen repair suggestions that that error code gives for Win 10 and also some of the Win 8 suggestions. I also reinstalled Win 10 fresh which worked fine until I ran updates, after which it would reboot and be dead again. The solution ended up being to install Windows 10 on his laptop's hard disk in another computer, apply the November patch, then move it back to the original laptop. I assume the next big patch won't eat his hard disk's partitions but who knows, I couldn't find other E520 owners with the same problem, just random laptops here and there (a lot of them blamed their SSD but he doesn't have one so it's not that). Anyway I guess the moral here is Windows 10 is free because it may just randomly corrupt your disk with a forced update.
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slidebite posted:3) For the whole update process, I have a laptop which I use on the road a lot (business) so I am in hotels several nights a month. Most hotels I stay in are not metered connections, however they are generally lovely connections. I do browse the net a lot at nights, sometimes do teleconference or game as well. Having a 500MB update going on in the background on a crappy borderline dialup speed connection for something I don't even need is not going to help matters. Is it possible to make updates only happen on "HOME" networks or will it try to download them regardless? I don't want to have to make a point of always asking my hotel at check in what their internet policy/connection is like in case my laptop decides it's time to download a fat update for the next incarnation of Windows games or whatever the hell it thinks I need. I would also rather not need to remember to make every new internet connection a metered/limited connection because sometimes it might be a good unmetered fat pipe and I wouldn't really mind. You can set the WiFi network at the hotel as a 'metered' connection, which'll stop the automatic updates at least.
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GrizzlyCow posted:Nah, you're not being unreasonable. Neither Windows Updates nor driver updates are perfect, and Microsoft isn't giving anyone any reasonable Opt-Out options. How many of the big Windows worms were zero-day or close to it? Not many I'm aware of, most of them were patched months or even years before they were widely exploited yet they still spread like wildfire because when given the choice to be lazy a lot of people will do it. wolrah fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Lum posted:For those with Optimus systems. Intel quietly slipped out an updated graphics driver on the 26th that stops the constant crashing and bluescreens. Oh god finally, can someone link it please? (4th gen) 
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wolrah posted:How many of the big Windows worms were zero-day or close to it? Not many I'm aware of, most of them were patched months or even years before they were widely exploited yet they still spread like wildfire because when given the choice to be lazy a lot of people will do it. And how many of them were in trackpad or audio drivers? Updating the system is fine by me, just leave the drivers alone Thegrul posted:Oh god finally, can someone link it please? (4th gen) I don't think 4th gen were ever affected - never seen any crashes on my HD4600/GTX850 system
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I'm having some trouble with my new XPS 15 where a couple of times now it's woken up while shut (firmly) in my backpack and I haven't noticed for a couple hours while, fans at full speed, it extinguishes my battery life. I assume this is a Windows 10 issue since one of the times it's done it the bag stayed completely still the whole time so there would've been no bump to wake it up or anything? Is this a known issue with W10? Sorry if this has been asked before or discussed to death. Just looking for any software solutions.
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You can open a command prompt and type powercfg -lastwake to tell you what last woke the PC Might not be very helpful - on my Asus it's always just 'Type: Fixed Feature Power Button' and I'm definitely sure that isn't what's actually happening.
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BottleKnight posted:I'm having some trouble with my new XPS 15 where a couple of times now it's woken up while shut (firmly) in my backpack and I haven't noticed for a couple hours while, fans at full speed, it extinguishes my battery life. I assume this is a Windows 10 issue since one of the times it's done it the bag stayed completely still the whole time so there would've been no bump to wake it up or anything? I haven't had this happen on my XPS 15 (L502x model), but I also have the power options quite customized versus stock. However whenever I'm transporting it I have it in full hibernate instead of using sleep mode, because the battery's gone kinda bad over the years and it doesn't last that long on regular sleep.
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Thegrul posted:Oh god finally, can someone link it please? (4th gen) 4th gen: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25489/Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-Windows-10-15-40-4th-Gen- 6th gen: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25620/Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-Windows-7-8-1-10-15-40-6th-Gen- I've only tested the 6th gen ones.
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Is there any meaningful difference in how "clean" the result is between using the Refresh option and doing a traditional scorched earth nuke-and-reinstall? By which I mean not counting your personal files remaining in place, just things that could impact the system.
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Kairos posted:Is there any meaningful difference in how "clean" the result is between using the Refresh option and doing a traditional scorched earth nuke-and-reinstall? By which I mean not counting your personal files remaining in place, just things that could impact the system.
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I just ran into whatever issue causes the start menu to break and windows pops up a message saying to log off to fix it, but it never does. Booted into safe mode and that actually seemed to fix it. Might give it a try.
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I spent the best part of three hours this afternoon trying to set up a VPN on my mother's brand new Windows 10 installation. The idea was that I'd use the VPN to pop some mkv/mp4 downloads into her Plex watch folder. She's getting an OLED TV on Thursday and pretty excited about it. After twatting about with Win 10 firewall and port forwarding 1723 and 47 I gave up. Should I just set up a SpiderOak account for her and use that to sync my movie download directory with her Plex folder? I don't fancy using Dropbox for commercially available stuff. I'm about 4 miles away from her place and use only Linux boxes on my local net.
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DeaconBlues posted:I spent the best part of three hours this afternoon trying to set up a VPN on my mother's brand new Windows 10 installation. The idea was that I'd use the VPN to pop some mkv/mp4 downloads into her Plex watch folder. She's getting an OLED TV on Thursday and pretty excited about it. Bittorrentsync is probably what you want. SyncThing is an opensource alternative that's a little awkwarder to use in practice. Both go crossplatform with no issues. Both auto-nav across firewalls and include encryption.
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DeaconBlues posted:I spent the best part of three hours this afternoon trying to set up a VPN on my mother's brand new Windows 10 installation. The idea was that I'd use the VPN to pop some mkv/mp4 downloads into her Plex watch folder. She's getting an OLED TV on Thursday and pretty excited about it. Bittorrent sync sounds perfect for this.
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