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Trabant posted:You are clearly not a l33t haxx0r Those are clearly from the movie Hackers and are amazing.
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KozmoNaut posted:
I saw a guy on the train this morning with headphones that had faux wood panels on them.
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Toast Museum posted:Please be considerate and include 56k no in your subject lines. I think the new 56k warning should be about people on cell phones using a data plan instead. That's where I've heard the most complaints about large images or GIFs in recent memory.
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Ozz81 posted:I think the new 56k warning should be about people on cell phones using a data plan instead. That's where I've heard the most complaints about large images or GIFs in recent memory. A "mobile unfriendly" tag isn't the stupidest idea. I'm on an unlimited LTE plan now and so give zero shits, but a few years ago I was on a limited data plan and I loaded up a page to find several hundreds of megabytes of animated GIFs dumped into it. I could have been well hosed if I hadn't been using it lightly that month - the total was more than half my available data for the month.
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Ozz81 posted:I think the new 56k warning should be about people on cell phones using a data plan instead. That's where I've heard the most complaints about large images or GIFs in recent memory. The awful app automatically just gives a grey box with ".gif" written on it so if you want to load a 50mb gif it's up to you. I like that feature. I only have 5gb of 4g before it drops to 33.6kb/s. 33.6. not even 56k. One of these months I should go over my data cap just to remember the bad old days of the early Internet. Now if only I can make my phone automatically make the dial up sound when using slow data.
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AA is for Quitters posted:The awful app automatically just gives a grey box with ".gif" written on it so if you want to load a 50mb gif it's up to you. See if you can get it to stream the sound, you're not supposed to be able to use the internet while it makes its screechy noises.
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Athenry posted:Pretty sure that predates Bob, but yeah. There's a reason we've moved away from such things. You know what they say, go long enough in one direction and you end up right where you were.
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AA is for Quitters posted:One of these months I should go over my data cap just to remember the bad old days of the early Internet. A few years ago (for some work related task I can't remember the purpose of) I had to visit a bunch of popular websites and measure how much data was used to load the desktop and mobile versions of each. I remember being surprised at just how big the html content alone could be: usually between 100 and 500kB but sometimes over a megabyte - just the main html file - that means over 3 minutes to load a webpage on 56k even if you've disabled images, JavaScript, stylesheets and plugins. I don't remember the dialup days being quite that bad. I've also noticed that many internet plans now limit you to something more realistic like 256kbit when you reach your cap - I'm guessing that's because intention is to give you something usable to use until your cap resets and 56kbit doesn't qualify anymore.
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WebDog posted:Early 90's skeuomorphic interface design was pretty mental. Still a thing in the world of car audio, unfortunately minus all the skilled people.  A touchscreen interface designed for use in a car.
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The_Franz posted:They are really ugly now, but in the mid-90s when the alternative was Win95 with it's gray and green color scheme and dithering, seeing desktops like that was pretty impressive. Remember that at one point people thought that having orange shag carpet on every surface of a house and fake wood grain on everything with an electronic circuit looked good too. Yes I remember the now 
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AA is for Quitters posted:The awful app automatically just gives a grey box with ".gif" written on it so if you want to load a 50mb gif it's up to you. AWFUL., however does not. But I shouldn't talk about Windows phones in this thread.
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I started using Winump again recently because I'm downloading lots of old records digitized off tape poo poo that isn't even on local spotify analogues. Also speaking of old games I got this Japanese program that patches executables so they can use Winamp to play mp3s instead of looking for and failing to find an actual CD, it has an internal player but it's buggy so that's another reason for Winamp. The skin looks like this: That Japanese program has a huge rear end list of games in an ini file, developers with names like Black Cyc, Dress, Silky's Zeus, BLACK PACKAGE TRY, Artdink, otherwise, BunnyPro, Cat's Pro, CRIME, and "bags".
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loga mira posted:I started using Winump again recently because I'm downloading lots of old records digitized off tape poo poo that isn't even on local spotify analogues. Also speaking of old games I got this Japanese program that patches executables so they can use Winamp to play mp3s instead of looking for and failing to find an actual CD, it has an internal player but it's buggy so that's another reason for Winamp. The skin looks like this: I'm not going to try to read the titles (apart from televisor that just jumped out at me) and just assume all the tracks sound like http://proteys.info/404/
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I just realized I haven't used Itunes in over a year since whenever I need music at the PC I just leave that open in a tab (yes it's the first link on my boomarks bar). Itunes = obsolete.
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That poo poo dont open for me. Someone actually uploaded the last track to youtube, kinda late 80s soviet synth pop? made by students probably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZO54tpDtNE
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loga mira posted:That poo poo dont open for me. 
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Fuzz1111 posted:The thing is it will be much worse than it was back then because it's a different internet now, and without broadband many websites just aren't usable at all anymore. This reminds me about a feature I miss: putting your Palm into its cradle and syncing all of your content overnight or whenever to read offline. I wish I could do that with the Awful app and then read whatever I cached in the subway, but alas.
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KozmoNaut posted:Oh yeah, I remember Sonique: Man this takes me back
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I had the games folder background set up as a repeating picture of Richard Nixon's face on my dad's OS/2 box because that was the only image I had.
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0toShifty posted:Linux is not the can of worms it used to be. Remember when no linux distribution would startx by default? Remember when ONLY FOOLS used a GUI? SLACKWARE! CALDERA! CONFIGURE GRUB! Mandrake? I remember looking at brochures of some of this stuff when my family was looking at computers in '95 or so. (We ended up with a Power Mac.)
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Ensign Expendable posted:This reminds me about a feature I miss: putting your Palm into its cradle and syncing all of your content overnight or whenever to read offline. I wish I could do that with the Awful app and then read whatever I cached in the subway, but alas. Heh. Back in the day when I only had a 286 and a 9600 baud modem, I used a DOS menu program to run a task at 3:00 AM, which would then run a script based terminal (RoboTerm) which would log onto my BBSes, upload my responses in QWK packets, download all the new posts (QWK again), then import them all into a database driven QWK reader. I did this since it took FOREVER by hand. Then I could sit down and read and respond at my leisure. I even had internet email via FidoNet and a BBS two states away with a working gateway! (I also used to run a WWIV BBS, with FidoNet hacked in, back in the 2400 baud days.) Samizdata has a new favorite as of 10:09 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Speaking of obsolete technology, I ised to LOVE playing these games when they first came out:
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WebDog posted:However that was nothing compared to the 00's chunky, round and glossy interface phase that dominated most skinnable apps of the day. A large influence came from Apple's translucent plastic look and I suspect hi-fi systems of the day given the music centric nature of these apps. This "high-tech" look also introduced the evils of pixel fonts in a poor attempt to slim down increasingly busy and overcrowded interfaces. To this day I still see 'skinnable' as a dirty word... I remember using some terrible software and loving it because at least it used something sort of like a standard windows UI. Miranda IM comes to mind... loga mira posted:That poo poo dont open for me. Someone actually uploaded the last track to youtube, kinda late 80s soviet synth pop? made by students probably. IT's using a tech that belongs in this thread, Flash. Keiya has a new favorite as of 14:42 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Keiya posted:To this day I still see 'skinnable' as a dirty word...   This kind of sums up what you generally got at the time, either nice-ish knockoffs of existing OS's - or something that wasn't the standard grey boxes of Win98. Or stuff like this which covers a good 90% of all the popular skins designed by a kid armed with Photoshop after seeing The Matrix one too many times, then branded with "do not stealz" tagz.   These are both from 2015.
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WebDog posted:Lest we forget the visual nightmares of WindowBlinds skins. Which I admit was hot poo poo back in 2000 when you could "turn" Windows 98 into a look-a-like XP or Mac OS. Theres something about XP that just feels really comforting looking back now. Probably as that was the time I built my first PC that could actually run modern games.
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WebDog posted:Or stuff like this which covers a good 90% of all the popular skins designed by a kid armed with Photoshop after seeing The Matrix one too many times, then branded with "do not stealz" tagz. -loving return that Start bar to normal first and not a picture of the front of your PC case. -Change the Min/Max/Close buttons back to normal. -Change the directory bar to look like Search in the Start menu. Also WindowBlinds is still loving around?!
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Stardock software always seemed massively hackey to me, never seemed to fully work well.
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Croccers posted:Also WindowBlinds is still loving around?! Brad Wardell still needs funds for all those sexual harassment lawsuits, don't forget.
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lol at anyone who kept using windowblinds after the uxtheme dll patcher came around. also lol at anyone who fusses over skinning their OS, really. What a waste of time and effort that was.
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I used Windowblinds to make my Win98 system look like Mac OS 7, BeOS for a bit, a dark NextStep theme and the QNX UI, whatever it was called. I used to love that poo poo. I also, at one point, installed BeOS and had it running reasonably well, in between Windows betas of ME, 2000 and XP. I liked the original Whistler UI theme and was sad when they dropped it just before release. These days I pretty much don't give a gently caress beyond a nice naturey wallpaper and maybe a darker/less saturated window decorations option in whatever OS.
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sinking belle posted:also lol at anyone who fusses over skinning their OS, really. What a waste of time and effort that was. I always switch the Start Menu and Task Bar back to the Windows 95 look. Does that count?
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Antifreeze Head posted:I always switch the Start Menu and Task Bar back to the Windows 95 look. Does that count?
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SLOSifl posted:I used Windowblinds to make my Win98 system look like Mac OS 7, BeOS for a bit, a dark NextStep theme and the QNX UI, whatever it was called. I used to love that poo poo. I also, at one point, installed BeOS and had it running reasonably well, in between Windows betas of ME, 2000 and XP. I liked the original Whistler UI theme and was sad when they dropped it just before release. There was a Max OS 7 extension called Kaleidoscope that did something similar.  I finally settled on using the Platinum theme, which was taken from version 1.0 of Mac OS X server; which probably also belongs in this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody_(operating_system) The first release of OS X was this, which was the first release after Apple bought NextStep and brought Steve Jobs back. Its this weird in between thing that looks like Mac OS 9 and before, but has the underpinnings of OS X.
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There was another entire line that was supposed to succeed System 7, codenamed Copland. It included pre-emptive multitasking and protected memory, which was a huge shortcoming in System 7 (and Mac OS 8, the real one). From a high level perspective, Copland was going for the the same idea as Mach/NeXT with a microkernel architecture and a similar approach to shared libraries and sandboxing. It was shitcanned and a few ideas ended up in the actual released Mac OS 8, which was a refresh of System 7. edit: While fact-checking myself I noticed that Apple was apparently considering acquiring or working with Be, Inc. while shopping around for what would eventually become OS X. Be was started by another previous Apple exec from the 80s, the one behind the Newton, Jean-Louis Gassée. The journaled file system was hot poo poo at the time, but NTFS has been as capable as far as metadata and alternate streams for a long time, it's just that nobody cares to use those things anymore. NeXT got us app and framework bundles which are probably more useful in real-world use than BeFS. Those tabs though:  There were also hidden themes to make it look like Windows 95 (Redmond) or System 7 (I forget, probably Cupertino). There was another too, I forget which - maybe OpenStep? edit2: Found it - Amiga was the third option.  SLOSifl has a new favorite as of 21:45 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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SLOSifl posted:edit: While fact-checking myself I noticed that Apple was apparently considering acquiring or working with Be, Inc. while shopping around for what would eventually become OS X. Be was started by another previous Apple exec from the 80s, the one behind the Newton, Jean-Louis Gassée. The journaled file system was hot poo poo at the time, but NTFS has been as capable as far as metadata and alternate streams for a long time, it's just that nobody cares to use those things anymore. NeXT got us app and framework bundles which are probably more useful in real-world use than BeFS. NTFS, yes, but the rest of the software stack no. Can Explorer even display that stuff?
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Keiya posted:NTFS, yes, but the rest of the software stack no. Can Explorer even display that stuff? You can use powershell to access streams pretty trivially: code:code:
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Compare that to Tracker, though.
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Yeah, that was a selling point for BeOS and BeFS, but the actual underlying technology is there to be used in Windows and has been for a long time. If someone wrote a nice interface or Explorer plug-in for managing ADS it could theoretically be used in the same way. We have pretty much the same abilities with modern OS-level indexing which can be filesystem agnostic and detached from the underlying file tables. I'm not saying Tracker didn't make good use of FS metadata, but at the same time it's hard to imagine a real use-case in which storing contacts as empty files with a ton of attribute makes any actual sense.
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