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Welp, don't know what to say about that.BloodFeastIslandMan posted:He's playing defense attorney, like the DAs always seem to. But police get no special privilege!! Seriously stuff like this is why the "oh dear we need to be careful of worker's rights  " poo poo is stupid and offensive. There are actual people being victimized and killed by the police for no good reason and corrupt prosecutors go out of their way to make sure there is no punishment but we have to worry that if police are investigated after receiving large amounts of complaints from the community there are supposed to be serving we are returning to The Jungle.
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Well who else will defend the police? Guns are useless against public outcry, there are only so many bullets!
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Dec 28, 2015 20:12
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Welp, its good to see that bringing in a suspect alive only applies to white people. Everyone else can get shot through the passenger window of the patrol car with nary a warning.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:26
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Well "he looked older" -totally not racist reasoning given by a lawyer in employment by a government for why a 12 year old is dangerous to an adult cop.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:28
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Radish posted:Well "he looked older" -totally not racist reasoning given by a lawyer in employment by a government for why a 12 year old is dangerous to an adult cop. Obviously if you are black, if you look older apprehend the suspect is out the window. Shoot to kill.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:29
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Grand Jury is the new method they'll use to get away with misconduct and murder. It lets the defense run the entire narrative in a format where they usually get little to no input, and if they somehow miraculously lose and get charges filed, they get another chance to defend with stories of their brave heroism to a real jury. Remember though, as asserted in the last thread: cops are subject to the exact same legal process as the rest of us.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:31
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Like even IF this was a 25 year old man walking down the street with a real, loaded gun, how can you possibly argue that rolling up and executing him is legal??? It's actually saying that cops can murder literally anyone as long as they say "I felt threatened" regardless of what actually happened like in that season 1 Southpark episode.A Fancy Bloke posted:Grand Jury is the new method they'll use to get away with misconduct and murder. It lets the defense run the entire narrative in a format where they usually get little to no input, and if they somehow miraculously lose and get charges filed, they get another chance to defend with stories of their brave heroism to a real jury. Um the justice system says that these murders by cops are fine and as we all know from reading these threads, reality is based on what the legal system decides ergo the fact that these people were killed fairly is indisputable and cops have exactly the same legal process of everyone else. 
Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 28, 2015 20:32
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Radish posted:Well "he looked older" -totally not racist reasoning given by a lawyer in employment by a government for why a 12 year old is dangerous to an adult cop. the shoot wasn't justified and charges should be filed, but Tamir Rice was 5'7" and 195 pounds. That's well bigger than your average 12 year old whether you are white or black, so saying he looked older is pretty legitimate. It still doesn't excuse what happened.
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Radish posted:Like even IF this was a 25 year old man walking down the street with a real, loaded gun, how can you possibly argue that rolling up and executing him is legal??? It's actually saying that cops can murder literally anyone as long as they say "I felt threatened" regardless of what actually happened like in that season 1 Southpark episode. Especially considering they love playing up the 'We apprehended an armed suspect without incident' card all the time, unless they are black and then suddenly 'My life was in danger' Cole posted:the shoot wasn't justified and charges should be filed, but Tamir Rice was 5'7" and 195 pounds. That's well bigger than your average 12 year old whether you are white or black, so saying he looked older is pretty legitimate. It still doesn't excuse what happened. In the context of their argument, it doesn't matter.
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Radish posted:Um the justice system says that these murders by cops are fine and as we all know from reading these threads, reality is based on what the legal system decides ergo the fact that these people were killed fairly is indisputable and cops have exactly the same legal process of everyone else. It's unreal that people can claim that with a straight face. In Georgia, police have full access to grand jury proceedings, can have a lawyer present and are allowed to make an unrebutted statement to the grand jury. But they're just like us
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Dec 28, 2015 20:41
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Like 80% of these national outrage cases this one is a lot more reasonable when you arent getting emotional and imagining an ideal scenario where they, a supercop forums user would have made the right call, no problem. As a clevelander: "Suck it, Debate and discussion, your tears make me immortal". (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MattD1zzl3 posted:As a clevelander: "Suck it, Debate and discussion, your tears make me immortal" Drive Up Police Executions: approved by MattD1zzl3
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Dec 28, 2015 20:45
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quote:Prosecutors are now telling reporters that #TamirRice wore size 36 pants, as evidence that he looked older than his 12 years. 
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Dec 28, 2015 20:45
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if he looked older that just means he was executed for practicing his 2nd amendment rights, the nra will be all over this one
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Dec 28, 2015 20:46
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I wish they'd just own it instead of insulting our intelligence with this "he was big and scary" poo poo every time.Zas posted:if he looked older that just means he was executed for practicing his 2nd amendment rights, the nra will be all over this one Yeah if he was "older" then why was he killed for holding a gun in an open carry state? I wonder why the prosecutor who was certainly acting in good faith did not ask this question. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 28, 2015 20:46
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Imho, if there is no justice, then there should be no peace.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:47
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Zas posted:if he looked older that just means he was executed for practicing his 2nd amendment rights, the nra will be all over this one You can only open carry when you are white. You know that. quote:Prosecutor in Rice case now saying: LOOK HOW OLD HE LOOKED! He had to die!
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Dec 28, 2015 20:47
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It's sad the "check" on this sort of thing is the voting populace who the majority of aren't subject to random police executions.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:50
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CommieGIR posted:You can only open carry when you are white. You know that. you mean... the nra is a white supremacist organization??? I guess we can't trust anyone these days
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Dec 28, 2015 20:51
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"This frame clearly shows that the officer deposited approx. 1 lb of poo poo in his diaper just before shooting, demonstrating that his fear was reasonable"
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Dec 28, 2015 20:53
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Looking older/bigger has always been the mantra for racists. Mike "Charging Bull" Brown and Trayvon Martin's picture comparisons.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:55
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im gay posted:Looking older/bigger has always been the mantra for racists. Mike "Charging Bull" Brown and Trayvon Martin's picture comparisons. If I told you someone was 5'7" and 195 pounds, what age would you guess they are? This is a bad hill to climb atop of to discredit the officer when there are literally 100s of other valid reasons he can be discredited.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:56
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Are black people going to riot about this?
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Dec 28, 2015 20:57
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Cole posted:If I told you someone was 5'7" and 195 pounds, what age would you guess they are? his weight and apparent age is entirely immaterial as to whether he deserved to be the victim of a police drive by, meaning the prosecuter had no reason to bring it up, hope this helps
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Dec 28, 2015 20:58
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Cole posted:If I told you someone was 5'7" and 195 pounds, what age would you guess they are? It's you. You are the racist.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:59
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Zas posted:his weight and apparent age is entirely immaterial as to whether he deserved to be the victim of a police drive by, hope this helps Right, but at the same time if you were pushing for charges against him and your argument was "he couldn't have possibly looked older" then it is no wonder the officer isn't getting charged, hope this helps.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:59
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Zas posted:his weight and apparent age is entirely immaterial as to whether he deserved to be the victim of a police drive by, meaning the prosecuter had no reason to bring it up, hope this helps I look forward to the future of police work this trend sets: "Random black driver shot during commute because he was probably fleeing police. Let his death serve as a warning to other commuters to obey traffic laws."
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shrike82 posted:Are black people going to riot about this?
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Mr. Wookums posted:I'd hope more than black. I don't see anything forming downtown yet though. White people participating wouldn't be helpful.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:03
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Cole posted:If I told you someone was 5'7" and 195 pounds, what age would you guess they are? I get what you're saying, but the point here is that even if the kid turned green and cracked the earth with fists the size of garbage cans, is funny how this detail comes out NOW, when we've had literally a year to review that footage. That's before we even get into "why the gently caress did you roll up into melee range if you were that scared of him". It's a cop out lie, pure and simple.
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shrike82 posted:White people participating wouldn't be helpful. 
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Dec 28, 2015 21:03
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Tamir's alleged hugeness is a stupid red herring. (btw this is him in his Hulked out glory) THIS PERSON IS BIG seems like a really dangerous precedent for summary extrajudicial executions but I'm not a prosecutor so what do I know?
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Dec 28, 2015 21:04
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Cole posted:Right, but at the same time if you were pushing for charges against him and your argument was "he couldn't have possibly looked older" then it is no wonder the officer isn't getting charged, hope this helps. It doesn't help because his apparent age is 100 percent irrelevant to whether he deserved to be executed for having a pellet gun in an open carry state.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:04
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MariusLecter posted:It's you. You are the racist. No, I think Tamir Rice is dead for no reason and the cop should be charged. However, if you honestly think harping on "HE SAID HE LOOKED OLDER WHAT A MORON!!!" when the victim was the almost the size of a fully grown American male, regardless of race, you are not doing much to help the case against the officer, because someone who is 5'7" and 195 pounds definitely looks older than 12 years old. The point is there are many, MANY reasons why this shooting was unjustified, but everyone is focused on the one that holds the least amount of credibility. Tamir Rice looked older than 12 years old based on his size, and you are just grasping at straws to think otherwise. And if someone was looking to file charges, harping on Tamir Rice not possibly looking older than 12 years old would not hold up in court.
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A Fancy Bloke posted:It doesn't help because his apparent age is 100 percent irrelevant to whether he deserved to be executed for having a pellet gun in an open carry state. You're right, but look at everyone else's posts, not just mine. People in here are harping on how he couldn't have possibly looked older than 12 years old. I'm not the one who brought this up, it has been very prominent in this thread. I just wish this thread would pick a better stance on the subject rather than the single argument that can be justifiable from the cop's point of view.
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Radish posted:Tamir's alleged hugeness is a stupid red herring. (btw this is him in his Hulked out glory) drat look at this hardened thug
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Cole posted:You're right, but look at everyone else's posts, not just mine. People in here are harping on how he couldn't have possibly looked older than 12 years old. I'm not the one who brought this up, it has been very prominent in this thread. Mainly because it's complete bullshit, and a dog whistle to boot.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:06
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It's a bit disappointing that Obama hasn't done more considering his race...
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Cole posted:No, I think Tamir Rice is dead for no reason and the cop should be charged. Just stop. Apparently the prosecution thought it was enough of a deal to bring it up as a way to defend their officers. And its a stupid one at that, even if he DID look that old. Its a red herring either way, and you don't need to defend a freaking red-herring.
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Mainly because it's complete bullshit, and a dog whistle to boot. Saying that someone who is 5'7" and 195 pounds looks older than 12 years old is dog whistle racism? How big are the 12 year olds around where you live?
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