TomWaitsForNoMan posted:So which one of you asked the stairs question? Woof
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Quixotic1 posted:Apparently the novelization has a bunch of details to explain a lot of the complaints of the films from the lack of detail. 
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Dec 28, 2015 17:49
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Gyges posted:Other than a couple instances of being lucky, which is every character in the entire series, what did she do that was particularly Mary Suish? For Star Wars protagonists she seems well below the bar set by Luke and his daddy. I put earlier that it's not something that I totally buy into because I do feel the movie gives you enough to just accept it. But I believe the most common complaints is that she's never flown the falcon before and flies it like an absolute pro, then semi-masters the force in no time at all. The Mary Sue moniker is probably more apt than most because she's literally shown to be a fangirl of the 'original' movies. She knows the stories about Han and Luke etc, she even has memorabilia. It's purposeful of course since the bad guy is a Vader fanboy as well. I think the argument is entirely overblown anyway and personally think it's just a JJ Abrams thing of distracting you from some issues by surrounding it with some excellent poo poo. I have much bigger issues with the nostalgia trend which is a big thing in the Disney/Kathleen Kennedy/Spielberg camp right now.
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Dec 28, 2015 17:56
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:So which one of you asked the stairs question? Woof Yikes!
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Dec 28, 2015 18:43
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Yikes! Whoever did can just keep it.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:57
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That second letter, holy poo poo.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:01
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Lady Naga posted:It was all the rage back in 2003. I was involved in the "stairs question" back in 2006ish. We had a goon meet, and I was the first one there, the next goon to show up looked at me and said "stairs?" I was like, "yeah."
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Dec 28, 2015 20:25
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DrVenkman posted:I put earlier that it's not something that I totally buy into because I do feel the movie gives you enough to just accept it. But I believe the most common complaints is that she's never flown the falcon before and flies it like an absolute pro, then semi-masters the force in no time at all. The Mary Sue moniker is probably more apt than most because she's literally shown to be a fangirl of the 'original' movies. She knows the stories about Han and Luke etc, she even has memorabilia. It's purposeful of course since the bad guy is a Vader fanboy as well. Yeah but not knowing the stories about Luke and Han would be insane as they helped take down the empire. She has a rebel helmet and it was shown she was scavenging a site of a battle between them and the empire. As for piloting the falcon, in a New Hope all Luke piloted was his land speeder, but he ended up flying and mastering an X-wing pretty fast. He also had a pretty good connection with the force as he was getting force ghosts and blowing poo poo up with it.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:35
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DrVenkman posted:The Mary Sue moniker is probably more apt than most because she's literally shown to be a fangirl of the 'original' movies. She knows the stories about Han and Luke etc, she even has memorabilia. That's not what a Mary Sue is.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:49
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Lady Naga posted:That's not what a Mary Sue is. He's referring to the character having self-insert traits.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:51
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bobkatt013 posted:Yeah but not knowing the stories about Luke and Han would be insane as they helped take down the empire. She has a rebel helmet and it was shown she was scavenging a site of a battle between them and the empire. As for piloting the falcon, in a New Hope all Luke piloted was his land speeder, but he ended up flying and mastering an X-wing pretty fast. He also had a pretty good connection with the force as he was getting force ghosts and blowing poo poo up with it. Don't forget that Poe had never flown a TIE fighter before and Finn had never manned a turret. Hell, Han hadn't even fired Chewie's laser crossbow before!
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Dec 28, 2015 20:58
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wow huge slam on chris cabin out of nowhere in this mailbag
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Sleeveless posted:Don't forget that Poe had never flown a TIE fighter before and Finn had never manned a turret. Hell, Han hadn't even fired Chewie's laser crossbow before! Right, I mean I'm happier just calling it bad writing than I am the whole Mary Sue thing because it's also something in STAR TREK as well. Kirk doesn't really have to go through anything, he's just an ideal captain. He doesn't need to learn anything to get to that point. Abrams tends to skip those parts of the hero's journey where they stumble and fall first so it gives the impression that all the characters are hyper-competent.
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Empress Theonora posted:wow huge slam on chris cabin out of nowhere in this mailbag is it a super slam or is it a subpar slam
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Dec 28, 2015 23:14
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DrVenkman posted:Right, I mean I'm happier just calling it bad writing than I am the whole Mary Sue thing because it's also something in STAR TREK as well. Kirk doesn't really have to go through anything, he's just an ideal captain. He doesn't need to learn anything to get to that point. Abrams tends to skip those parts of the hero's journey where they stumble and fall first so it gives the impression that all the characters are hyper-competent. In a new hope how did Luke stumble and fall?
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Dec 29, 2015 00:19
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Luke doesn't stumble, exactly, but he is portrayed as a kid who hasn't found his calling yet, doing menial labor on a farm and whining. Rey is a deft scavenger from the get go, which looks cool, but dramatically is somewhat less satisfying when it builds up to her doing different cool things. (This would be more annoying if she weren't sharing protagonist role with Finn, who provides the we're-in-over-their-head quality that she's missing.)
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Dec 29, 2015 00:30
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Ave Azaria posted:Luke doesn't stumble, exactly, but he is portrayed as a kid who hasn't found his calling yet, doing menial labor on a farm and whining. He also lets his aunt and uncle burn to a crisp 
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Dec 29, 2015 01:07
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centaurtainment posted:He also lets his aunt and uncle burn to a crisp 
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Dec 29, 2015 01:29
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Ave Azaria posted:Luke doesn't stumble, exactly, but he is portrayed as a kid who hasn't found his calling yet, doing menial labor on a farm and whining. Rey is a deft scavenger from the get go, which looks cool, but dramatically is somewhat less satisfying when it builds up to her doing different cool things. (This would be more annoying if she weren't sharing protagonist role with Finn, who provides the we're-in-over-their-head quality that she's missing.) I just wish the movies expanded more on that she grew up with the stories of what a Jedi could do. Luke didn't and had to learn/be shown but if the movie established Rey had a full idea of the poo poo Luke had been pulling off in the last 30 years it would make a ton more sense. Like just adding in a extra bit to "Were the legends true" line to be something like "Were the legends true? The Jedi Mind Trick, Force powers?". That way when Rey starts reading Ben Solo mind/using the Jedi Mind Trick its just apart of her realizing she is a Jedi/experimenting instead of Oh she is a master now. BexGu fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 01:35
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Yes, that's what would have made Episode 7 better - overexpositing.
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Dec 29, 2015 03:02
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I'm pretty happy that after almost 20 years of people whining about new Star Wars movies not being enough like Star Wars we now have people complaining that the new Star Wars movies are too much like Star Wars.
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Dec 29, 2015 03:20
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Sleeveless posted:I'm pretty happy that after almost 20 years of people whining about new Star Wars movies not being enough like Star Wars we now have people complaining that the new Star Wars movies are too much like Star Wars. For real. I used to get annoyed with the whole "Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars" thing but they were right. You'll never please some of them. They like 3 movies in the series and that's it.
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Dec 29, 2015 03:28
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BexGu posted:I just wish the movies expanded more on that she grew up with the stories of what a Jedi could do. Luke didn't and had to learn/be shown but if the movie established Rey had a full idea of the poo poo Luke had been pulling off in the last 30 years it would make a ton more sense. Like just adding in a extra bit to "Were the legends true" line to be something like "Were the legends true? The Jedi Mind Trick, Force powers?". That way when Rey starts reading Ben Solo mind/using the Jedi Mind Trick its just apart of her realizing she is a Jedi/experimenting instead of Oh she is a master now. I listen to a podcast that made a great point about this very complaint, how it's actually a good thing when a movie lets you make some connections yourself instead of spoonfeeding the audience everything. It's called "We Hate Movies" but... get this... they actually love movies and have lots of smart things to say about them. You should check it out!
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Dec 29, 2015 03:29
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She asks something along the lines of, "Luke Skywalker really exists?" and later learns all the legends about him are true. I felt that was enough. I'm sure Luke's exploits in Jabba's palace are famous, and he tried the mind trick multiple times during that. On a different subject about Rey: Luke was a sheltered farmboy that seemed over his head just by the Mos Eisley cantina. Rey is someone who had to survive on her own, and her only parental figure was a weird alien who didn't give a poo poo about her. I think it's all right that she is more immediately capable than Luke was. Edit: wow thought I was in a completely different thread. Star Wars chat is everywhere man. Marin Karin fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 04:14
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So who was the goon who did the stairs thing to WHM
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Dec 29, 2015 06:37
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:So which one of you asked the stairs question? Woof i did that awkward smile-grimace thing for a good thirty seconds after that. Why would you do that thing
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Dec 29, 2015 06:50
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No one is going to own up to it after reading this and the RGD threads.
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Dec 29, 2015 06:52
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso >The most hilarious movie podcast: We Hate Movies: Shut the gently caress Up About Star Wars
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By the way Eric, if you're not turned off of reading this thread forever after that whole deal, I tell you guys this all the time on Twitter but in case it's Andrew or Steve who runs the Twitter and you don't pay much attention to it, I just want to say thanks to you and the guys for all the laughs. Oh and count me among those who also enjoy BIOOS!
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Dec 29, 2015 07:30
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I mean they just had a whole month of talking about the Star Wars so I feel it's at least appropriate in this thread, but also I'm more excited about the upcoming worst of 2015 series. Have they said much about what's going to be on it?
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Prop Wash posted:I mean they just had a whole month of talking about the Star Wars so I feel it's at least appropriate in this thread, but also I'm more excited about the upcoming worst of 2015 series. Have they said much about what's going to be on it? They announced that next week will be Entourage and based of the letterbox page Russell Madness
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bobkatt013 posted:They announced that next week will be Entourage and based of the letterbox page Russell Madness Andrew's all but said that Pan will be one of them, unless something worse manages to top that.
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Dec 29, 2015 23:27
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SilentChaz posted:Andrew's all but said that Pan will be one of them, unless something worse manages to top that. So that's one more slot. Wonder if it will be terminator.
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bobkatt013 posted:So that's one more slot. Wonder if it will be terminator. Ridiculous Six? Or, for another racist "comedy", Get Hard?
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Dec 30, 2015 01:24
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I hope Jupiter Ascending makes the list, I love it when they rip into ridiculous incoherent movies like I, Frankenstein and Matrix 3 and all that.
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kalensc posted:I hope Jupiter Ascending makes the list, I love it when they rip into ridiculous incoherent movies like I, Frankenstein and Matrix 3 and all that. Jupiter Ascending really deserves its own episode. It's kind of fun to watch that movie (with a tall glass of water) and just append "space" to anything you see on screen. Space werewolf flying around on space rollerblades. Gotta climb the space ladder to escape the space mine on space jupiter. Space wedding.
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Dec 30, 2015 01:58
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Gotta send in my story about that one time a girl invited me over to her house to watch a movie and it ended up being a soft porno.
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ravenkult posted:Gotta send in my story about that one time a girl invited me over to her house to watch a movie and it ended up being a soft porno. my friend sent in a story about how me and him ended up going to lucas ranch. i have a medical condition i had that allowed me to use make a wish. we got to go into the lucas vaults, so we saw all the ships and the costumes and the ark and the note books and the original light sabers. it was awsome. ill upload pictures when i find the disk. bobkatt013 posted:So that's one more slot. Wonder if it will be terminator. i hope its terminator. 1. it was awful compared to 3 and salvation. 2. it cemented that emilia clark cant act at all. so its pan, entorage, ??? and ???
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Dapper_Swindler posted:my friend sent in a story about how me and him ended up going to lucas ranch. i have a medical condition i had that allowed me to use make a wish. we got to go into the lucas vaults, so we saw all the ships and the costumes and the ark and the note books and the original light sabers. it was awsome. ill upload pictures when i find the disk. So do you have any cool Kristen Bell stories?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:my friend sent in a story about how me and him ended up going to lucas ranch. i have a medical condition i had that allowed me to use make a wish. we got to go into the lucas vaults, so we saw all the ships and the costumes and the ark and the note books and the original light sabers. it was awsome. ill upload pictures when i find the disk. Nope the only confirmed ones are Russell Madness and Entourage
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