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You got me. As scum I was in a cushy position all game and all I had to do was see which town member the wind was blowing to in mylo and instead I decided to throw away my entire advantage by not only revealing the existence of a poisoner, but also fabricate a whole series of events that led back to Day 1 and put all eyes on me because ??? profit. That's way more likely than "I should reveal everything I know because it doesn't do me any good to bring it to my death."
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Good find epsilon
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Dec 28, 2015 03:48
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What's the incredulous smiley? That.
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Dec 28, 2015 04:07
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Do we feel like doing a full roleclaim so that we can put a nail in this loving coffin and win?
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Dec 28, 2015 05:56
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(##vote Met)
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Dec 28, 2015 05:57
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imgay posted:Good find epsilon I dunno if this is sarcastic or not but this is exactly how I got Mills in my first ever mafia game soooo feels good
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Dec 28, 2015 06:19
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Well, I mean you did get a full confession out of met
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Dec 28, 2015 06:19
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Epsilon Plus posted:Do we feel like doing a full roleclaim so that we can put a nail in this loving coffin and win? Win? You think the game is over after one lynch? It's mylo with two scum. Only scum will guarantee win with a single lynch at this point. Slip?
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Dec 28, 2015 07:20
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Where's birdstrike and vienna today? I haven't heard much from either of them.
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I had a long drive into the country but o am here to say knock it off with the tunnelling Epsilon, even if you're right it isn't fun.
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Dec 28, 2015 07:39
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Met posted:Win? You think the game is over after one lynch? It's mylo with two scum. Only scum will guarantee win with a single lynch at this point. I'm just pretty dang confident that we can win once you're out! (it is because you are my scumbuddy  )Birdstrike posted:I had a long drive into the country but o am here to say knock it off with the tunnelling Epsilon, even if you're right it isn't fun. Okay yeah you're right I guess. Met: if I was scum, who would my scumbuddy be? (other than you)
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Dec 28, 2015 07:52
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Birdstrike posted:the Somehow I missed this: what makes you assume there's a roleblocker?
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question: who is the roleblocker?
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Epsilon Plus posted:I'm just pretty dang confident that we can win once you're out! My vote is on imgay, boss. How did you SOMEHOW miss the roleblocker comment? Because you already knew there was a roleblocker and it didn't phase you on first read? The slip, the tunneling in mylo... Still though, I'm good with a no-lynch to extend the game as much as possible. I just want these little slips to be clear when I've been cleared via flip.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:38
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Met said voting 3p was bad and is currently voting one. Also no lynching would also endgame town since there is only one more town than scum right now unless they target me at night
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Dec 28, 2015 19:43
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Met posted:How did you SOMEHOW miss the roleblocker comment? Because you already knew there was a roleblocker and it didn't phase you on first read? The slip, the tunneling in mylo...  Or maybe I read his comment while setting up a new Wii U and was more focused on my housemates screaming "WII U WII U WII U" like a bunch of whacked-out sirens?You're OK no-lynching in mylo because it'll make it much easier for you and your scumbuddy to seize the win in lylo.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:45
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Epsilon Plus posted:Somehow I missed this: what makes you assume there's a roleblocker? I tried to hit DHD on N1 but didn't, and he didn't flip commuter or hider or some other explanation for it.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:50
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Hal - doctor (?) Met - poisoner (?) imgay - survivor (?) Birdstrike - two-shot day/night vig (?) spacing - (roleblocker maybe?) me - TOP SECRET
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Dec 28, 2015 19:55
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The roleblocker would have to be one of Hal, imgay or spacing and I think imgay or spacing are more likely to be scum.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:56
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Why am I even likely? I haven't been counter claimed and town hasn't lost yet
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Epsilon Plus posted:
It really comes down to either risking it all in mylo or risking it all in lylo. I think Town has a better chance in the latter because we can get some more ability usage off. We have two people who haven't claimed anything and one or two doctor types. I was actually thinking about it this morning. I think two different types of Doctors can work in a small game. Imagine one of the Mafia is a non-traditional poisoner and instead of being x-shot, he just poisons instead of Mafia kills. The Doctor can't protect against it but the Poison Doctor can. Vice versa if they have someone else, say the Vanilla Mafia that flipped, doing the kills instead of the poisoner. I don't think it's that far-fetch'd as opposed to the "Mafia always do poison" that I've been assuming for a couple game days now. This would explain a little of the imbalance I'm seeing in the flips and reveals. Town -Bulletproof -Multi Vig (One use day, one use night) -Tracker -Miller -Bullet Doctor -Poison Doctor -Vanilla -Vanilla -Vanilla Mafia -Vanilla -Poisoner -Roleblocker(?) Neutral Survivor(?) It would lead to an interesting choice for the Mafia to either poison or kill and then they can switch over to the other kill type if they knock out a doctor. Or maybe a poisoner or vanilla get knocked out early and they are forced to kill a single way and one of the Doctors becomes useless... except as a vig disruptor, hence the multi vig to take advantage of that. We're just seeing a huge difference in strength between the two sides and that's my best guess. But I guess that's setup speculation and setup speculation is bad especially if town is trying to be an informed majority. As for imgay, I don't know what to make of the Survivor claim really. If it's true I'm making a mistake but I think I'd go with my instinct rather than go by his word since there's no way to test it without another tracker. It's not like a neutral would counter-claim at this point because it wouldn't do them any good to be nightkilled or lynched especially if their win condition is anti-town (PLEASE OH PLEASE LET IT BE AN ARSONIST, that'd be cool) Epsilon Plus is actually probably the better target for all the reasons stated in my past few posts (##vote Epsilon Plus) and I think when we're in mylo full claiming from him (as well as the others who haven't) is the way to go so we can make the best use of everyone puzzling out everyone's claims against their own knowledge from their ability usages.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:09
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I'll full claim if other people do.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:12
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Epsilon Plus posted:I'll full claim if other people do. You're like one of two who haven't?
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Dec 28, 2015 20:12
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I mean as a survivor at this point I think its better for me to claim since its detrimental for town to lynch me and its detrimental for scum to kill me at this threshold.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:13
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Yep! I'd really like spacing in vienna to claim before I do, although if they don't I may well claim before deadline.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:13
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imgay posted:I mean as a survivor at this point I think its better for me to claim since its detrimental for town to lynch me and its detrimental for scum to kill me at this threshold. If it helps, you're in my top two so I guess I'm terrible no matter what?
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Dec 28, 2015 20:15
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Doesn't the presence of a miller indicate the presence of some kind of cop?
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Birdstrike posted:Doesn't the presence of a miller indicate the presence of some kind of cop? Plausibly! That's why I really want to see what spacing is - I want that sweet sweet cop info (cinfo).
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Birdstrike posted:Doesn't the presence of a miller indicate the presence of some kind of cop? I thought that's what it meant by "Tracking Miller". A miller specifically for trackers.
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I have been asking questions and people are ignoring them (or they are getting lost in the fray). Epsilon. You threw suspicion at Met because he breadcrumbed his role -- why? Hal, why was/am I your top scum pick? I'm not convinced by Met's "confession" being damning -- the last time I thought a meltdown was flailing scum, it was frustrated townie instead, and we lost the game. Hal Incandenza posted:I am still going to go over post histories because that's still what matters, but even if you believe Met's claim that doesn't clear him as town. Also survivor with no other powers is pretty rough in a game with as many kills as we seem to have here so imgay's claim is very suspect to me. I agree with both of these points. Birdstrike posted:the Can anyone else confirm being roleblocked? I've only seen it mentioned by you. Scum might have a JOAT instead of a roleblocker, maybe? No one else has claimed your night vig, and your day vig was out in public, and I can't believe the scum team would get that many extra killing powers, so you're either town or SK, and I doubt we have a survivor and and SK, so you're my strongest town read right now. Epsilon Plus posted:You are incredibly defensive for someone with one vote on him. I don't like this post because this is mylo, and everyone knows that. Throwing votes around is dangerous right now. Two votes on the wrong person will let scum hop on and end the day, and Epsilon is acting like being upset at one vote is somehow outlandish. Met posted:Where's birdstrike and vienna today? I haven't heard much from either of them. Dealing with holiday wrap-up and going back to work. I'm dead in my other games, and I'm here until deadline tonight. imgay posted:Met said voting 3p was bad and is currently voting one. Also no lynching would also endgame town since there is only one more town than scum right now unless they target me at night Hang on. If we're right about 2 scum 3 town 1 survivor, then why does no-lynching end the game? Someone dies overnight and we start with 5, 2 scum 2 town 1 survivor -- does that mean town automatically loses? Survivor and town could still lynch one of the scum, couldn't they? imgay posted:Why am I even likely? I haven't been counter claimed and town hasn't lost yet You could be very ballsy scum, declaring yourself 3p and thus too dangerous to lynch. Epsilon Plus posted:Yep! I'd really like spacing in vienna to claim before I do, although if they don't I may well claim before deadline. Epsilon Plus posted:Plausibly! That's why I really want to see what spacing is - I want that sweet sweet cop info (cinfo). I don't have anything to claim -- I'm vanilla. I don't know why I had to go first for that, though.
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i just tell it like it is. its the truth get used to it
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im pretty sure met is scum, but like i said earlier, if both scum have the balls to announce themselves I'll vote with them. otherwise, I'm pretty sure I'm voting met today
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spacing in vienna posted:I have been asking questions and people are ignoring them (or they are getting lost in the fray). Epsilon. You threw suspicion at Met because he breadcrumbed his role -- why? Breadcrumbing is a no-effort way for scum to say "no, see, I didn't just make up this claim - I said I was a doctor day 1!" I think it's crappy play whether you're telling the truth or not. Your last two statements will be covered by this: I wanted you to claim first because I don't know if you're scum or not and I wouldn't want scum to try to counterclaim me! I'm a rolecop. Hiipfire got a doublevig result for Birdstrike N1 and didn't investigate N2 (I didn't get to make an investigation N2 because I started on D3 - that's why I was so salty about Hiipfire earlier). Met showed up as a poisoner for my N3 investigation. That's why I crawled up his rear end so suddenly. Now can we lunch Met?
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I'm reasonably convinced Met and Epsilon aren't of the same alignment. Also fairly sure the person who blocked me n1 is scum at this point. But who!?
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Dec 29, 2015 00:22
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I'm town and if Met is a town poisoner I'll poo poo my pants in confusion.
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Epsilon Plus posted:I'm town and if Met is a town poisoner I'll poo poo my pants in confusion. ...I'm not? Where are you getting this from?
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Dec 29, 2015 00:43
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Birdstrike posted:I'm reasonably convinced Met and Epsilon aren't of the same alignment.[/i] Me too!
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Dec 29, 2015 00:44
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I'm bored of waiting for people ##vote met
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imgay posted:im pretty sure met is scum, but like i said earlier, if both scum have the balls to announce themselves I'll vote with them. I and some random can claim scum and you can vote for Epsilon. However I think no-lynch is the way to go. But I realize it doesn't matter to someone who claims to be Survivor.
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Met posted:...I'm not? Where are you getting this from? The fact that I rolecopped you? Call me a liar right out if you're going to fight it.
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Epsilon Plus posted:Your last two statements will be covered by this: I wanted you to claim first because I don't know if you're scum or not and I wouldn't want scum to try to counterclaim me! I'm a rolecop. Hiipfire got a doublevig result for Birdstrike N1 and didn't investigate N2 (I didn't get to make an investigation N2 because I started on D3 - that's why I was so salty about Hiipfire earlier). Met showed up as a poisoner for my N3 investigation. That's why I crawled up his rear end so suddenly. What? What kind of broken setup has a Poisoner/Roleblocker/Vanilla vs a Cop/Tracker/Doctor/Multi-Vig/BP/Tracker-Miller/Vanilla/Vanilla/Vanilla? That's insane what you're claiming.
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