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Just caught up with this thread. Two interesting followups to points raised earlier: Neal Adams wrote Skate-Man because a roller-skate manufacturer(?) paid him to. It was supposed to be part of a big merchandising campaign, which fell through, so all we've got is the comic. and the LSH's clubhouse being Fortress Lad's corpse was pretty much a last-minute change. The original idea was to have it be a spare rocket from Krypton that Jor-El had stocked with stuff that Baby Kal-El might need. However, this leads to a plot hole: why not put Jor-El and Lara on the rocket, because what could Baby Kal-El need more than parents? (this is how Ty Templeton tells it, anyway)
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Since no one else has talked about it and all I've done so far is pepper the thread with questions, I'll bring up WildCATs vs. Aliens. I've never read an Aliens or Predator crossover with a superhero book that I liked, but I absolutely loathe this book. One type of bizarre comic that's been discussed ITT is when something pivotal happens in a crossover, alternate-timeline story, or maybe just an event book that everyone would rather have forgotten about. For example, that Darkness/Batman crossover.  Zealot on the cover is just insult to injury. I hate Zealot. WildCATs vs. Aliens was a horrible mix of two approaches that were not inherently bad. Wildstorm editorial wanted to do a crossover where something actually happened. Warren Ellis, meanwhile, was ready to wrap up Stormwatch to make way for The Authority. Ellis had liberally killed off characters in DV8, which was that kind of book, and his run on Stormwatch actually started with Henry Bendix calling a meeting and saying "There are too many of you for  I actually don't know how they killed Hellstrike, either.  Fuji, Hellstrike, and Fahrenheit were killed off-panel. Flint escaped, horribly scarred (which remained in-continuity when she appeared in Team Achilles). Winter flew their base into the sun to destroy the alien threat. The long and short of it is, the book killed off half of Stormwatch off-panel, in a book that didn't even have "Stormwatch" in the title or any of its characters on the cover. With xenomorphs. The Authority was one of the first books I read when I got back into comics, which prompted me to go back and read Ellis' run on Stormwatch (and WildCATs starting with Moore's run). Since I was reading it all in TPB form, I was puzzled at what had happened to the main Stormwatch team, and boy was I ever pissed. And yes, they did eventually retcon all the characters back into existence, but not for several years. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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TwoPair posted:I swear there's an issue of Bachalo's Uncanny X-Men work where his Emma Frost and Magik are so similar looking, they put the speech bubbles on the wrong characters. I swear... This wouldnt have happened if they didnt get rid of Magik's bangs. 
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Anyone ever read any of the books by the company CFW for the hot minute they existed in the 80s? My brother and I had discovered "Shred", which we kinda liked. He was a skateboard riding vigilante with a skull mask with a zipper mouth. Pretty much his whole gimmick was he'd track down bad guys and just beat the ever loving hell out of them. Because it was the 80s. So lots of shots of him like ollying onto punks' heads and using his board as a club to knock fools' teeth out and stuff.
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The entire Stan Lee Meets series is both fantastic and some great STAH.txt. There was one story where Galactus begs Stan to help him with the Surfer, who's driving everyone insane with his endless philosophical narration. There was also a story, written by Joss Whedon, where some guy goes to an interdimensional comic book convention and, through talking to his alternates and meeting Stan, finds out there's only one Stan Lee, which is why other universes' comics lack nuance and punch. That one's a little bit aggrandizing, but it's worth it for the punchline. Another Stan Lee approaches and goes. "I'm a Stan Lee! I sell meats!", leaving regular Stan super embarrassed. Gavok posted:The Sentry talk just reminded me of the Stan Lee Meets miniseries, which mostly consisted of conversations between Stan and various characters he co-created like Spider-Man and Dr. Doom. There's a story in there about Stan meeting a young Paul Jenkins, which ended with talk about how he was going to one day create the Sentry and it was going to be this huge thing. That was during the height of the character's popularity, but looking back on it now, it's kind of sad. Yikes. Yeah.
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TwoPair posted:I swear there's an issue of Bachalo's Uncanny X-Men work where his Emma Frost and Magik are so similar looking, they put the speech bubbles on the wrong characters. I swear... It didn't help the two of them are in the same outfit, save Emma has a coat and Magik as those wings she stole from Sif, and spray painted black, because she's all dark and gothic and no one understands a demon queen of limbo *slams door, puts on The Cure*
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I think this thread has gone too long without mentioning Vigilante (more fun if you pronounce it with the same cadence Newman says "Jambalaya!"). Over the course of the series, Adrian has put a stop to many injustices by beating the poo poo and shooting the hell out of a bunch of lowlife mooks. But...but...was it worth it?!  Nope!     Yup, at the end, he kills himself, the end, thanks for reading Vigilante! Because this is comics, he would show up later in the "Day of Judgement" storyline as one of the heroes stuck in purgatory (y'know, because he killed a million people, but they were all bad.) He gets to go to heaven at the end for helping save the universe or something, I don't remember the details. But anyway, I think Vigilante probably has the most downbeat, what-the-what ending of any comic out there, especially one that lasted as long as it did. Adriaaaannnnn!!!! redbackground fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 15:50
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Wasn't sentry also used as a pseudo-macguffin for the Hulk's temper?
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GPTribefan posted:It was notable for being Marvel's first Limited Series, its first major "whole company" crossover (the success of which helped lead to Secret Wars) This reminds me of another interesting comic to read. While Contest of Champions is the first official and canon "whole company" crossover, the real first instance as far as I know is What If #20, "What if the Avengers fought the Kree-Skrull War without Rick Jones?" It came out in 1980 and tells the story of how things would have been different if Ronan had Rick Jones killed before he could pull off that silly deus ex machina in the climax. What follows reads as the latter 2/3 of an event comic told in 40 pages. The different Avengers as well as Captain Marvel all have their own subplots going on, but what makes it interesting is when Hank Pym gets close enough to Earth to let Nick Fury know about the war coming. Fury gets on the phone with Xavier and Xavier reaches out to pretty much everyone. There's a splash page of him making the psychic call to the likes of Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, Black Widow, the Inhumans, Dr. Strange, Black Panther and even Dr. Doom. Then you have Silver Surfer blowing up invading ships in the upper atmosphere while Thor calls on his bros from Asgard to help him hunt down Skrulls in space. Reading it while knowing that this really basic concept hasn't been done before, let alone been beaten into the ground, is especially fun. On one hand, the story ends on a bunch of high notes for the most part. The only negatives are the death of Rick and Vision's decision not to get between Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (probably for the better). On the other hand, one of the subplots has the Supreme Intelligence merge with Rick's body to create a new lifeform that's able to defeat Ronan and then flies off into space to go find itself. That idea was similar enough to another big comic being worked on. The creative team for said comic had to scrap their plans and come up with another story. That comic? Avengers #200. I should really just go through the entire What If series and cherry pick the weird stuff from beginning to end. If anything, I need to get into the loving ridiculous Age of Apocalypse vs. Galactus storyline.
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Dec 29, 2015 16:56
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Thanks for reminding me of that Age of Apocalypse vs Galactus What If. I love AoA, I love Galactus, and I love What If. How did it all go so wrong?
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Die Laughing posted:Thanks for reminding me of that Age of Apocalypse vs Galactus What If. I love AoA, I love Galactus, and I love What If. How did it all go so wrong? It's like certain combinations of great things that don't work out nearly as well independently, like, say, pizza+beer+chocolate, or porn with plot.
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Dec 29, 2015 18:38
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Gavok posted:This reminds me of another interesting comic to read. While Contest of Champions is the first official and canon "whole company" crossover, the real first instance as far as I know is What If #20, "What if the Avengers fought the Kree-Skrull War without Rick Jones?" It came out in 1980 and tells the story of how things would have been different if Ronan had Rick Jones killed before he could pull off that silly deus ex machina in the climax. What follows reads as the latter 2/3 of an event comic told in 40 pages. Yes. You should. I always enjoy stuff like that. Just out of curiosity, what was the original plot for Avengers #200? If I remember that issue right, it had something to do with Ms. Marvel getting pregnant.
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Dec 29, 2015 18:55
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naktekh posted:Yes. You should. I always enjoy stuff like that. Just out of curiosity, what was the original plot for Avengers #200? If I remember that issue right, it had something to do with Ms. Marvel getting pregnant. Originally, Ms. Marvel was going to give birth to some kind of freaky hybrid baby due to the machinations of the Supreme Intelligence. Ms. Marvel would then take on the SI and destroy him out of revenge and retire from the Avengers to raise her child. Jim Shooter nixed it because the concept of the child was too similar to how that What If ended. And instead we got STAH.txt personified.
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bobkatt013 posted:The Avenger one was the issue with Kang bombing Washington DC. I think that was pretty  actually. Kang killed every single person in the capital city of the USA (more or less - I think Thor was able to evacuate the president and his family) and then it's been rebuilt and it's back up and running within the first five or six issues of Geoff Johns taking over the comic. That sort of thing happened in Ultimate Marvel, or it happens in Invincible - I don't think it's something you'd have expected to see in a mainstream Marvel comic in 2004-ish.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think that was pretty Oh yeah it was a good one, the only issue was that was when Marvel did no crossovers so you had Kang taking over the World and it was only in the Avengers. It made it seem less epic then it should have.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:57
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Yeah, I was going to say, if you did a story like Kang Dynasty today, it'd be a big summer crossover event with a seven-issue core miniseries and tie-ins for every title.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:56
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think that was pretty I think Magneto turned New York into a freaking concentration camp in the Planet X storyline of New X-Men. So yea, that is something else that has happened.
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Talk of Washington DC getting destroyed reminds me of that loving terrible Nick Spencer Secret Avengers story that I can't believe hasn't gotten a post in this thread yet. Hell, did anyone cover that .1 issue from that run where writes Cap being all about how important government conspiracies are? If not, someone should talk about that. Anyway, Fear Itself. The event was hot garbage and only had a few saving graces: - The Deadpool miniseries. - Everything involving Avengers Academy. - Fear Itself: The Homefront, which was not only a far better story, but FINALLY put Speedball's Penance bullshit to rest for good (mostly). - Bendis' annoying "Avengers talking heads" gimmick ended with the heartwarming bit where all the Avengers talked about how much they respect each other, ending with Daredevil's reveal that he's on the team. Part of the story had an army of Nazis in mech suits storming Washington DC. It's been a while since I've read this issue, so if I'm wrong about anything, by all means correct me, but I remember it going something like this: Beast reconnects with an old friend of his who is a senator or something. With the Nazis loving poo poo up, the politician then reveals that he's been a mutant for years with not even Cerebro being able to tell because he's that good at hiding his powers. Hell, he's a goddamn omega-level mutant and shows off his powers by controlling reality and putting the ghosts of this great country to use. The Lincoln Memorial stands up and starts kicking Nazi rear end. In a page that is genuinely completely awesome, the ghost of George Washington marches up to a massive army of soldiers from various eras, smiles for a second, then angrily points them at the enemy. But as much as that rules on its own, the context around it causes it to fall apart. Namely that this isn't Spencer's event and the omega politician isn't allowed to win even though by all means, he should. So rather than have his badass statue and legion of patriotic ghosts take massive losses, the politician simply gives up. Was it a strain on his abilities? Possibly, but it was never explained. He simply decided that rather than wipe out the villains like he appeared fully capable of doing, it would be a better use of his time and effort to turn on a camera and spend his final moments making a speech to viewers around the world about how you shouldn't be afraid. So while Lincoln set himself back into sitting position and stopped fighting, the politician ranted and raved until the Capitol blew up with him in it. Because watching a desperate man die on live TV will surely get you over the jitters.
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I believe Claremont's been mentioned in this thread? His 1991 X-Men series was my first exposure to the X-Men. It was my first exposure to...a number of ideas.     As discussed, this was revenge for raising Magneto as a baby and messing with his powers to save him from mental illness. He thought making him not be a douchebag was mind control. Turns out the experiment didn't work anyway. I finally realized, Magneto has borderline personality disorder and he can alter reality by saying the word "magnetism." That's his entire deal.
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So let's talk about Incredible Hulk Annual 2000... Marvel had no idea what the gently caress to do with the Hulk after Peter David left. John Byrne tried to make him a traditional super hero. Paul Jenkins gave him full blown MPD and had him vary from issue to issue. Bruce Jones gave him ALS and made a mess of the book. The worst, though, had to be the annual where... um.... well.. Look, there's no easy way to put this - the Hulk tries to gently caress his cousin. Basically, Jenkins surmised that the Hulk was a primate, and was feeling the urge to mate with someone like him. He was rampaging through Central Park, acting more aggressive than ever, and the Avengers come in to save the day. Hulk sees She-Hulk and goes even crazier, showing off like a baboon in heat. He keeps rampaging until the She-Hulk figures out what's up, and TRIES TO SEDUCE HER OWN COUSIN IN AN EFFORT TO STOP HIM. She succeeds in getting his attention, she tries to explain they can't do this because they're related, he goes apeshit again, and then starts pouting. He asks "Why She-Hulk no want Hulk??" and then leaps off to go jerk off in a back alley or something. Cue the She-Hulk tearing up because she feels bad for him and he's gonna be forever alone, saying that she's the reason he's going to be miserable now and that the Avengers should just let him be. Marvel in general in the early 2000's was all kinds of messed up....
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Gavok posted:Talk of Washington DC getting destroyed reminds me of that loving terrible Nick Spencer Secret Avengers story that I can't believe hasn't gotten a post in this thread yet. Hell, did anyone cover that .1 issue from that run where writes Cap being all about how important government conspiracies are? If not, someone should talk about that. You forgot Journey Into Mystery, and the fact that that same talking heads Avengers stuff had an issue where Daredevil and Squirrel Girl fight the Nazi robots, which is dumb, but awesome.
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Dec 30, 2015 02:48
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Gavok posted:Talk of Washington DC getting destroyed reminds me of that loving terrible Nick Spencer Secret Avengers story that I can't believe hasn't gotten a post in this thread yet. Hell, did anyone cover that .1 issue from that run where writes Cap being all about how important government conspiracies are? If not, someone should talk about that. The one Gavok described was the second issue, and there are two more after that, each uniquely terrible in their own ways. For this first one, Spencer tries to tackle GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE and WIKILEAKS and COLLATERAL DAMAGE and all those things that might have been on the TV in the back of the airport bar while he was doing rails and trying to pick up a stewardess or something. A guy dressed up as USAgent breaks into a government data center and steals a list of all of the confidential informants that SHIELD uses to fight supervillains. He then posts it to the Internet, so supervillains worldwide just start murdering snitches left and right. Captain America decides that obviously the Avengers can't possibly protect "over four hundred" informants, so he chooses one to guard because he's pretty sure this ONE informant didn't do it out of greed or malice, just because he's a Good Guy. So the Avengers should save this one Good Guy as an Example that America Protects Its Informants. Or at least .23% of them. But they don't know what base this dude (a low level AIM scientist who by gawd, has a family!) works at, so they send Black Widow to go try to gently caress the answer out of some AIM guy at a bar, but TWIST, she knows that's cliche so she just pulls a gun on the guy mid-seduction in the middle of the bar and implies that if he doesn't give up the intel she could kill him or anyone else in the bar because "the United States government tips very well". Pretty badass, right? With that information, Valkyrie, Ant-Man, and War Machine storm this low-level AIM hideout and kills everyone guarding the AIM base (all those low level AIM guys dying is worth it if they can save just one AIM guy) but TWIST, the guy isn't an AIM guy at all! He goes to the AIM base every day as a SPOUSE IDENTITY DECOY PROGRAM where the non-AIM spouses of AIM agents go to an AIM base every day to throw everyone off the scent of the REAL AIM agents who are working from home! This isn't explored very much, but two big things stuck out to me: 1) The Avengers (who "don't kill", mostly) just slaughtered several dozen low level AIM agents who... were actually the spouses of AIM agents, not AIM agents themselves, except they all wore AIM outfits and worked at an AIM center and had AIM weapons but... didn't do science stuff I guess? 2) If I was trying to keep my secret agents genuinely secret, I probably wouldn't make all of their spouses work overtly for the secret agency. So Moon Knight goes to the home of the AIM Snitch Family and sure enough, AIM has totally already murdered her in retaliation for leaking the plans to gas all of Boston. Steve Rogers and Beast shed a small tear for her. We cut to USAgent/Edward Snowden giving a video speech. He explains why he leaked this information: he's an Afghanistan vet whose squadron was infiltrated by Skrulls. They killed most of his brothers-in-arms. This made him... not trust the government? "I don't give a drat if these people call themselves good guys or bad guys. Way I read it, they all do the same things. And they just keep doing more and more of it, without asking anyone, without wanting to be held accountable to anyone. I think it's time the rest of us had our say, too. So this is our message. When all of you who appoint yourselves our protectors break the public trust -- when you put yourself above the law and what's just -- WE'LL BE THERE. We have a right to know what you do in our name. Our government is in bed with a bunch of terrorists, murderers, and despots. Most of 'em selling each other out to get ahead.. YOU SOLD US OUT. We deserve to know what's going on!" So like... yeah, I don't know. I feel like he wrote this speech when he had the idea of LET'S DO WIKILEAKS BUT WITH THE AVENGERS and then couldn't come up with any sort of storyline that involved Iron Man bombing an Afghan wedding or lying to the UN about invading Iraq or whatever and decided to just go "well some undercover agents names were leaked, those are like CIs, and having confidential informants is basically unconstitutional right? Ehh, who cares." So anyway, Steve Rogers punches him in the face to SHUT HIM UP. Then he gives a speech about how "the people I stand with, good and bad, faults and all, no matter how right we believed we were... we'd never let people die just to prove our drat POINT. Now I don't know if that's enough for you, or for the rest of the world, but for the time being -- IT'LL HAVE TO DO." I thought this was the issue where Commander Rogers did the hilarious thing (repeated by Dan Slott in his Spider-Man run) of being morally superior in a sense of "look I'm a good person, I'd never torture you to death. I'll just hand you over to someone who will." and then a caption box going "it isn't really torture because I know they won't kill them, they'll just ALMOST kill them and they'll think they're about to die and will give up the info". But I think that was Warren Ellis.
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Because I didn't read anything else related to Fear Itself, but I loved Avengers Academy, the crossover felt like a big dumb animal come to wreck a series I was enjoying. Speaking of Warren Ellis, remember Ruins? Even in the too-grim 90s I'm surprised it got published. The first time I read it, it was depressing. The second, it made me a little angry. The third time, I couldn't get over how funny it was that Ellis devoted a whole comic to saying "You know what radiation really does? It gives you CANCER" and poo poo like that, about two dozen times. That's it, that's the whole comic.  CANCER Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 05:16
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Halloween Jack posted:I believe Claremont's been mentioned in this thread? His 1991 X-Men series was my first exposure to the X-Men. It was my first exposure to...a number of ideas. One of the reasons why Claremont left X-Men and Marvel entirely in 1991 was because Bob Harras, then the editor-in-chief at Marvel and utterly blinded by dollar signs, had decided that Jim Lee got to co-plot the books. In practice, this meant that Lee would draw more or less whatever he felt like and Claremont would bat clean-up to write the script, often having had surprisingly little influence on the story being told. In retrospect, this is why the first three issues of the adjectiveless X-Men book are shockingly incoherent, and why the dialogue is packed with even more unnecessary exposition than usual. Claremont is trying to spot-weld Lee's art into something resembling a coherent story and almost makes it work.
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Halloween Jack posted:Speaking of Warren Ellis, remember Ruins? Even in the too-grim 90s I'm surprised it got published. The first time I read it, it was depressing. The second, it made me a little angry. The third time, I couldn't get over how funny it was that Ellis devoted a whole comic to saying "You know what radiation really does? It gives you CANCER" and poo poo like that, about two dozen times. That's it, that's the whole comic. He sure showed them, just like he did with the OLD BASTARD'S MANIFESTO about how come the 21st Century, pop culture would be dark and edgy and cynical and there's no place for pop songs or sitcoms or loving superheroes, anyone who thinks otherwise is an old dinosaur who needs to step aside and DIE because the future is PopComix and Digital Hardcore and Suicide Girls!
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I never got around to reading Marvels until I had already read Astro City and plenty of Morrison and Johns' neo-Silver Age stuff, so it struck me as kinda gimmicky and forgettable. But I didn't find Marvels in particular to be all that hopeful; it almost seemed to be saying that awe of superheroes is a kind of religious awe that's ultimately rather haunting and destructive to one's peace of mind. Edit: "For every kiss, a bullet in the face." Ooh, super duper edgy, Uncle Warren. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 06:18
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It's really funny that lazy cynicism became so prevalent during the 90s that it's now seen as subversive to have optimism and be genuine about your emotions, and cynicism and sarcasm are like the default state.
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Morrison called optimism the new punk rock when doing an interview about All Star Superman and Final Crisis. EDIT Grant Morrison posted:In today’s world, in today’s media climate designed to foster the fear our leaders like us to feel because it makes us easier to push around. In a world where limp, wimpy men are forced to talk tough and act ‘badass’ even though we all know they’re making GBS threads it inside. In a world where the measure of our moral strength has come to lie in the extremity of the images we’re able to look at and stomach. In a world, I’m reliably told, that’s going to the dogs, the real mischief, the real punk rock rebellion, is a snarling, ‘gently caress you’ positivity and optimism. Violent optimism in the face of all evidence to the contrary is the Alpha form of outrage these days. It really freaks people out. Open Marriage Night fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Gaz-L posted:You forgot Journey Into Mystery, and the fact that that same talking heads Avengers stuff had an issue where Daredevil and Squirrel Girl fight the Nazi robots, which is dumb, but awesome. Daredevil fighting Nazis was so dumb but it did lead to one of my favorite photoshops ever. 
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Lurdiak posted:It's really funny that lazy cynicism became so prevalent during the 90s that it's now seen as subversive to have optimism and be genuine about your emotions, and cynicism and sarcasm are like the default state. When I was growing up we all thought we were going to die in an atomic fire. People don't change, but the worries do.
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I always read Ruins as "You want 'realism', fuckers? Here ya go!" Also, it was Jenkins who gave Bruce Banner Lou Gherig's disease.
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TwoPair posted:Daredevil fighting Nazis was so dumb but it did lead to one of my favorite photoshops ever. That ammo snaking between his legs is a tragedy just waiting to happen.
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TwoPair posted:Daredevil fighting Nazis was so dumb but it did lead to one of my favorite photoshops ever. I love this so much
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Halloween Jack posted:I never got around to reading Marvels until I had already read Astro City and plenty of Morrison and Johns' neo-Silver Age stuff, so it struck me as kinda gimmicky and forgettable. But I didn't find Marvels in particular to be all that hopeful; it almost seemed to be saying that awe of superheroes is a kind of religious awe that's ultimately rather haunting and destructive to one's peace of mind. I always wonder "What If?" for if Busiek would have had his proposal for Marvels 2 accepted instead of him adapting it for the "Dark Age" story that might be the most ambitious thing that extremely ambitious book ever did.
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My favorite what the gently caress moment was when the homeless black kid who used to hang out with the Incredible Hulk after Rick Jones wandered off, was brought back in the late 80's out of nowhere as a now unofficialy gay man dying of AIDS. He then begs Bruce Banner to give him a blood transfusion to save his life. Bruce reluctantly agrees, only to trick his friend and give him someone else's blood instead. Because apparently dying in slow agony of AIDS is better than the horrible curse of being like him. The best part however was Marvel printing all the letters blowing them for their bravery for not outright saying HOW the character got AIDS, because that showed that everyone deserved sympathy no matter how they got the disease. I admit I may have some details wrong, I read this years ago. Oh, and Daredevil teaming up with Uri Gellar, complete with a full page article from either the writer or the editor about how he met Uri, and had been convinced that he really was a superhero with magic powers!
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mrfreeze posted:My favorite what the gently caress moment was when the homeless black kid who used to hang out with the Incredible Hulk after Rick Jones wandered off, was brought back in the late 80's out of nowhere as a now unofficialy gay man dying of AIDS. He then begs Bruce Banner to give him a blood transfusion to save his life. Bruce reluctantly agrees, only to trick his friend and give him someone else's blood instead. Because apparently dying in slow agony of AIDS is better than the horrible curse of being like him. The best part however was Marvel printing all the letters blowing them for their bravery for not outright saying HOW the character got AIDS, because that showed that everyone deserved sympathy no matter how they got the disease. I admit I may have some details wrong, I read this years ago. This was Jim Wilson, Sam Wilson's nephew. In 91 when it was published it was something that was often not talked about, as it was still the gay disease.
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mrfreeze posted:My favorite what the gently caress moment was when the homeless black kid who used to hang out with the Incredible Hulk after Rick Jones wandered off, was brought back in the late 80's out of nowhere as a now unofficialy gay man dying of AIDS. He then begs Bruce Banner to give him a blood transfusion to save his life. Bruce reluctantly agrees, only to trick his friend and give him someone else's blood instead. Because apparently dying in slow agony of AIDS is better than the horrible curse of being like him. The best part however was Marvel printing all the letters blowing them for their bravery for not outright saying HOW the character got AIDS, because that showed that everyone deserved sympathy no matter how they got the disease. I admit I may have some details wrong, I read this years ago.
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NorgLyle posted:I'll never figure out why writers think it's neat to have their superpowered characters physically intimidating normal humans who have the wrong opinions but I wish they'd stop. Are you seriously objecting to the idea of throwing the Hulk at the WBC? I can't think of a better use of his time at all.
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Dec 31, 2015 06:03
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WickedHate posted:Are you seriously objecting to the idea of throwing the Hulk at the WBC? I can't think of a better use of his time at all. Remember the time that Hulk fought Hulk Hogan?
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Dec 31, 2015 06:05
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bobkatt013 posted:Remember the time that Hulk fought Hulk Hogan? Hogan wouldn't have liked curing Hulk's black friend either.
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Dec 31, 2015 06:10
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