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toi8 is a good artist. he did the character designs for soul nomad and the world eaters which makes him a hero. i wish i had the soul nomad art book but they printed like 5 copies of it.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:32
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Baal posted:Yeah I know, but again that's not something that's showing the Atlus brand, that's something they're using because it's a concept that was popular in Persona and they're instead putting their characters on top of it to make it their own brand. Like there's a reason NIntendo's name is all over the game and Atlus gets developer credit and some costumes, but that's it. Like their name isn't even on the box...
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Butt Ghost posted:I don't really know what we're arguing about then. All I was saying was that #FE is a crossover in the sense that they're making a JRPG with Fire Emblem characters and Persona mechanics. I wasn't really talking about branding. quote:The Persona influence is undeniable, in concept and monster design. There isn't anything literally from Persona, but I feel its influence is strong. What are the Persona mechanics because you actually didn't say that at any point and the biggest one (The dating sim) I already said wasn't there and it doesn't even have the press turn system.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:35
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I can't believe Jojo's Bizarre Adventure ripped off the Persona series...
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Jan 1, 2016 23:36
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I can't believe Mazinger Z ripped off the Persona series.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:40
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Persona isn't anime, nerds
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Baal posted:What are the Persona mechanics because you actually didn't say that at any point and the biggest one (The dating sim) I already said wasn't there and it doesn't even have the press turn system. Butt Ghost fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Butt Ghost posted:You level up your Stand dudes. It doesn't have press turn, but I think hitting weaknesses does a thing where your allies go in to attack, which could be derived from press turn. Presentation is similar, particularly with menus and attack icons. I'd have to play it to see more, but it looks pretty similar from what I've seen. The most the game has is a similar weakness system. Battles are dominated by the weapons triangle and the magic system, hitting weaknesses allow you to do follow up attacks where the whole team can join in or you can do your dual attacks which are actually if anything more like Persona 2 demon negotiation shenanigans than anything P3 or 4 have, but it's in the form of attacks instead of negotiating of course. The turn order is shown to you through the hud like Grandia and the hud also does not inherently remind me of Persona, it's really weird looking. Levelling up the Performas is like a foregone conclusion, every JRPG that has like companion creatures to you has them as their own levelling mechanic or system that goes back to like Pokemon and even FFVIII.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:49
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Yeah that is really great boxart One thing Nintendo has consistently done on the Wii U is really, really good boxart for all of their games
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Jan 1, 2016 23:57
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Baal posted:The most the game has is a similar weakness system. Battles are dominated by the weapons triangle and the magic system, hitting weaknesses allow you to do follow up attacks where the whole team can join in or you can do your dual attacks which are actually if anything more like Persona 2 demon negotiation shenanigans than anything P3 or 4 have, but it's in the form of attacks instead of negotiating of course. The turn order is shown to you through the hud like Grandia and the hud also does not inherently remind me of Persona, it's really weird looking. Levelling up the Performas is like a foregone conclusion, every JRPG that has like companion creatures to you has them as their own levelling mechanic or system that goes back to like Pokemon and even FFVIII.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:58
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Butt Ghost posted:Hitting an enemies weakness allowing an extra attack of some sort sounds similar to press turn to me. If anything, it sounds like they combined press turn with all out attack. I'll give you the hud, but I was referring more so to the icons showing representing physical and elemental attacks, which I think are pulled straight from Atlus games. The pause menu also reminds me of Persona 4 in particular, but I'm not trying to say the pause menu means #FE is similar to Persona. And it's more-so that that companions look and function pretty much identically to Personas. They allow characters to use magic attacks and determine the characters stats. It's not all out attack or press turn because it's specific to certain characters who have session attacks and your follow up attacks are limited to those. They can comprise of multiple things, but it's still a limited pool of things which is what makes it unique to the game and not just something ripped from the Atlus games.
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I suppose. My point is, the game has social links, and the game has Personas. They aren't exactly either of those things I'm sure, but I feel they're derived from those things. Therefore, I feel that #FE has influences from Persona.
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The game does not have S. Links and yeah it obviously did derive the Performas from Persona, but that's not something that makes it an SMT/FE crossover which is what I saying to begin with. The reason it is a crossover is because it is Intelligent Systems and Atlus worked on the game together. It pulls from both, but it pulls from one more than the other not unlike Professor Layton x Ace Attorney, but unlike that game this one is possibly good. Like the game was originally pitched as SMTxFE and it ended up not being that but instead AtlusxIntelligent Systems which is fine, but the actual game isn't really a crossover anymore at this point nor does it pull any real influence from Persona and SMT that isn't tenuous.
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i spent a large portion of last night complaining about idols and you two are making me wanna stuff you in a locker.
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Waffleman_ posted:I think if Shin Megami Tensei wants to experiment, Atlus should make an episodic choice-based adventure game. I don't know how that would work, but I'd definitely play a demonological adventure game.
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Inflammatory posted:i spent a large portion of last night complaining about idols and you two are making me wanna stuff you in a locker. Kiss my rear end, inflammatory
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Jan 2, 2016 00:15
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I thought the "sidestories" they were talking about in the Treehouse were supposed to be similar to social links.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:15
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They are generic JRPG side quests, they're more like affinity quests from Xenoblade X, really
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CottonWolf posted:I don't know how that would work, but I'd definitely play a demonological adventure game. An adventure game with RPG battles.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:15
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So, an RPG?
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Jan 2, 2016 00:16
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You shut the gently caress up, Beef.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:16
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Devil Survivor is basically the closest to that you're going to get.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:18
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#FE uses SMT spell names.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that, lol
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You could make a Life is Strange-style game based around demon negotiation, maybe. Build a team to prevent/profit from/revel in the apocalypse.
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Endorph posted:to be blunt i dont think there's anything interesting enough about the shin megami tensei franchise's characters or setting to support a crossover, and the two series aren't really compatible in terms of what they're about, so a straight-up crossover would be really awkward. half the fire emblem characters in the game are ones from fire emblem 1 so "interesting" wasn't really a priority (the priority was titties)
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Jan 2, 2016 00:26
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Satan will remember that.
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who would you even base an smt adventure game on the nocturne pixie?
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Baal posted:who would you even base an smt adventure game on the nocturne pixie? persona 4: clicking things on other things all evening
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it'll be like the gungrave anime where they take the silent protagonist and just make him not talk much
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Baal posted:who would you even base an smt adventure game on the nocturne pixie? Jack Frost, probably.
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real talk though they could just make up a new protagonist. smt is more about the setting than the characters.
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No, I want it to be about Chemtrails now
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I remember the US reveal trailer from #FE had a "This game is anticipated to be rated Mature" thing, which I assumed would've been from Mara, but considering that Jack Frost is the only SMT thing that even appears, I wonder what they could've possibly been worrying about. I hope Marth is a penis monster.
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Baal posted:who would you even base an smt adventure game on the nocturne pixie? Dante, from the Devil May Cry series
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Butt Ghost posted:I remember the US reveal trailer from #FE had a "This game is anticipated to be rated Mature" thing, which I assumed would've been from Mara, but considering that Jack Frost is the only SMT thing that even appears, I wonder what they could've possibly been worrying about. Probably because Persona 3 and 4 were both rated Mature for...really nothing.
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Baal posted:who would you even base an smt adventure game on the nocturne pixie? An entire game based around demon negotiations, yay.
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Waffleman_ posted:Probably because Persona 3 and 4 were both rated Mature for...really nothing. Yeah they could've easily been rated T if not for the uhhh genital fiends
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