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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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| Veloster Turbo |
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| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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I'm taking the FiST on an extended test drive tomorrow, my first drive was basically in rush hour so I want to give it another chance to win my heart. If I do get one, the real dillema is, base model Molten orange, or base model + nav + grey wheels in performance blue? (2015 cars available locally) My current car is a similar blue, which I like a lot but the orange is pretty unique and fun.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:16
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...it's still a turbo car that takes well to a tune. But it definitely isn't designed to be a hot hatch. I have a manual and I hate the transmission, but besides that it's fine.
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Dec 29, 2015 00:05
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Rhyno posted:Bummer. ...it's still a turbo car that takes well to a tune. But it definitely isn't designed to be a hot hatch. I have a manual and I hate the transmission, but besides that it's fine.
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Dec 29, 2015 00:05
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PaintVagrant posted:I'm taking the FiST on an extended test drive tomorrow, my first drive was basically in rush hour so I want to give it another chance to win my heart. If I do get one, the real dillema is, base model Molten orange, or base model + nav + grey wheels in performance blue? (2015 cars available locally) I was afraid the orange would be a ticket magnet but after a year (today!) of ownership and nrear constant aggressive driving the only time I've been pulled over was in my FC RX7 and that was for a lack of inspection sticker.
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Dec 29, 2015 00:13
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You couldn't get pulled over in a Focus (ST or no) if you crushed the skulls of 2,000 white babies with those stock 18" alloy wheels. The very idea that a ford hatchback would approach the speed limit, let alone exceed it, is antithetical to everything Americans know about automobiles.
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Dec 29, 2015 00:23
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fyodor posted:You couldn't get pulled over in a Focus (ST or no) if you crushed the skulls of 2,000 white babies with those stock 18" alloy wheels. The very idea that a ford hatchback would approach the speed limit, let alone exceed it, is antithetical to everything Americans know about automobiles. Heh, I got my first speeding ticket in well over a decade in my ST. I was kind of bummed (and $245 poorer too).
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Dec 29, 2015 01:24
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Larrymer posted:...it's still a turbo car that takes well to a tune. But it definitely isn't designed to be a hot hatch. I have a manual and I hate the transmission, but besides that it's fine. We were gonna go test drive them today but the ice storm had other ideas.
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Dec 29, 2015 05:18
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PaintVagrant posted:I'm taking the FiST on an extended test drive tomorrow, my first drive was basically in rush hour so I want to give it another chance to win my heart. If I do get one, the real dillema is, base model Molten orange, or base model + nav + grey wheels in performance blue? (2015 cars available locally) What is the advertised price on them? I was looking last night and found quite a few semi local to me for 18/19 with nav and recaros.
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Dec 29, 2015 05:36
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iwentdoodie posted:What is the advertised price on them? I was looking last night and found quite a few semi local to me for 18/19 with nav and recaros. All over the place. The realistic prices are in the 20-22 range I guess. For a 2015 with all the late year incentives I am not willing to pay more than 19-19.5 OTD.
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Dec 29, 2015 05:39
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PaintVagrant posted:All over the place. The realistic prices are in the 20-22 range I guess. For a 2015 with all the late year incentives I am not willing to pay more than 19-19.5 OTD. Where are you located? The prices I saw were all 2015s, but in more rural areas. Didn't seem to matter if it was base or optioned, advertised prices were all under 20. I doubt if 19.5 OTD is possible though, since that puts actual purchase price more in the 17.5 or less range.
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Dec 29, 2015 05:55
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iwentdoodie posted:Where are you located? The prices I saw were all 2015s, but in more rural areas. Didn't seem to matter if it was base or optioned, advertised prices were all under 20. Metro detroit. Our tax rate is ~6% and I have an A-Z pin (ford employee family pricing I guess). Besides taxes and "delivery charges" and that sort of gobbledygook, 2k seems a high differential from sticker to OTD price. But its been a long time since I bought a car at a dealer, and that was a used car. I may have big haggler dreams that wont be fulfilled.
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Dec 29, 2015 06:02
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PaintVagrant posted:Metro detroit. Our tax rate is ~6% and I have an A-Z pin (ford employee family pricing I guess). Besides taxes and "delivery charges" and that sort of gobbledygook, 2k seems a high differential from sticker to OTD price. But its been a long time since I bought a car at a dealer, and that was a used car. I may have big haggler dreams that wont be fulfilled. Even at 17.5, 6% is basically a grand. Another 500 in bullshit isn't too hard to imagine. Fuckin go for it though. 19-19.5 OTD for a FiST would be loving tits.
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Dec 29, 2015 06:10
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iwentdoodie posted:Even at 17.5, 6% is basically a grand. Another 500 in bullshit isn't too hard to imagine. Gave it a long drive, decided for sure it wasn't for me. Talked price just for shits, they said they wouldn't go lower than 22k OTD for a base model, which is basically retail - incentives and not a good price. I said "cool call me if something changes" and left. Not confident they will contact me, but its academic at this point. As I mentioned before, clutch and trans feel is the killer for me, just doesn't feel right. I was legitimately worried about money-shifting the test drive car, finding 4th felt weird. Like the dogleg isnt 100% parallel to the length of the car. Oh well, the hot hatch search adventure continues  In the meantime my FA5 got sideswiped this morning  But I suppose if they write me a check I might just live with the crease and use the money for suspension mods 
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Dec 29, 2015 20:09
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PaintVagrant posted:Gave it a long drive, decided for sure it wasn't for me. Talked price just for shits, they said they wouldn't go lower than 22k OTD for a base model, which is basically retail - incentives and not a good price. I said "cool call me if something changes" and left. Not confident they will contact me, but its academic at this point. As I mentioned before, clutch and trans feel is the killer for me, just doesn't feel right. I was legitimately worried about money-shifting the test drive car, finding 4th felt weird. Like the dogleg isnt 100% parallel to the length of the car. I don't have PMs, but I've got several aftermarket parts for mine I took off in prep for trading it in. Intake Spacer, TPS silicone intake tube, Eibach Sportlines. Local VW dealer has a R in white I like, and now they have a non-vw aquisition discount and a built in discount on the car to bring it down to 36 and some change. I need to see if it has any options on it.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:44
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Mr-Spain posted:I don't have PMs, but I've got several aftermarket parts for mine I took off in prep for trading it in. Intake Spacer, TPS silicone intake tube, Eibach Sportlines. Shoot me an email with mileage/price on the sportlines if you dont mind, paint.vagrant@gmail.com
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Dec 29, 2015 20:56
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Done.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:51
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Since a deer recently facilitated my beloved '13 Speed3's passage to heaven, and also due to the fact that it held its value extremely well, I've been shopping for a replacement. I test drove a '16 Fiesta ST and a '16 Focus ST back to back. The Fiesta drove fine, but felt small for what I need. I appreciated the Focus's larger interior volume, although sitting in the Recaros felt like dropping into a bucket. I wonder if I didn't have them adjusted properly or something. Both felt very solid, and their clutches were substantially smoother and more forgiving than my Speed3. I still stalled that thing out every few weeks even after driving it for 2 years. I wanted to test drive an Ecoboost manual Mustang, but none were on the lot, and so I ended up test driving a '16 Mustang GT PP. Clutch was closer to but still smoother than on my Speed 3. I then tested an FR-S, and while it was fun, just wouldn't work for me as a daily driver. Then a '16 GTI. My favorite of the bunch. Probably the best of the lot to be sitting in. Smooth shifting, and extremely smooth clutch. Despite it's apparently underrated numbers, and the Speed3's driveline losses vs. paper power, the GTI just didn't feel as fast as the Speed3. None of the hatches kick you in the pants like the Speed3 does when you hit 3000 rpms, though.
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Jan 2, 2016 04:32
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Jan 2, 2016 04:43
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AvesPKS posted:Since a deer recently facilitated my beloved '13 Speed3's passage to heaven, and also due to the fact that it held its value extremely well, I've been shopping for a replacement. I test drove a '16 Fiesta ST and a '16 Focus ST back to back. The Fiesta drove fine, but felt small for what I need. I appreciated the Focus's larger interior volume, although sitting in the Recaros felt like dropping into a bucket. I wonder if I didn't have them adjusted properly or something. Both felt very solid, and their clutches were substantially smoother and more forgiving than my Speed3. I still stalled that thing out every few weeks even after driving it for 2 years. I wanted to test drive an Ecoboost manual Mustang, but none were on the lot, and so I ended up test driving a '16 Mustang GT PP. Clutch was closer to but still smoother than on my Speed 3. I then tested an FR-S, and while it was fun, just wouldn't work for me as a daily driver. Then a '16 GTI. My favorite of the bunch. Probably the best of the lot to be sitting in. Smooth shifting, and extremely smooth clutch. Despite it's apparently underrated numbers, and the Speed3's driveline losses vs. paper power, the GTI just didn't feel as fast as the Speed3. None of the hatches kick you in the pants like the Speed3 does when you hit 3000 rpms, though. They are meant to feel linear, the boost comes on very early. A tune and DP puts them over 300whp.
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Jan 2, 2016 04:44
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BlackMK4 posted:They are meant to feel linear, the boost comes on very early. A tune and DP puts them over 300whp. The lack of boost gauge was very disconcerting, coming from the Speed3 where I always had to be careful not to mash the gas before 3000 rpms. Such a pleasure to drive, though. Just a really nice place to sit. AvesPKS fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 2, 2016 04:47
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GTIs are fragile enough without trying to bump up the power - I definitely wouldn't be doing that at all let alone within the warranty period.
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Jan 2, 2016 04:50
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I must be hosed since I did that with <1000mi on it. 6000mi later and we're fine.
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Jan 2, 2016 05:18
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If you don't mind tuning, look at the veloster still. They're going under $20k and a basic tune is adding 40hp/40ftlbs. It isn't that hard with a tune, downpipe, intercooler placement to be in the 250hp at the wheel range. Stock tune is on 87. This would give you a more forceful feel like your mazda 3. The stock handling and tires are pretty garbage but pierce motorsports has some relatively easy upgrades to make it feel ok.
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Jan 2, 2016 07:38
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Christobevii3 posted:If you don't mind tuning, look at the veloster still. They're going under $20k and a basic tune is adding 40hp/40ftlbs. It isn't that hard with a tune, downpipe, intercooler placement to be in the 250hp at the wheel range. Stock tune is on 87. This would give you a more forceful feel like your mazda 3. The stock handling and tires are pretty garbage but pierce motorsports has some relatively easy upgrades to make it feel ok. This is so stupid I can't help but think it's a troll.
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Jan 2, 2016 09:15
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A surgy motor in a light platform? The Veloster comes with such poo poo tires that just changing them in one review went from .8g to .9g instantly. Link to tune and what is required: http://damnfastdd.com/Products/Show/Hyundai+Veloster+Turbo+Stage+1.5+Tune
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Jan 2, 2016 17:24
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I think the veloster turbo is a really cool looking car on the outside but once you get in and drive it feels like an Accent. They didn't even try to make it look "hot" on the inside and the gearshift feels as dead as my wife's Jetta. The engine noise sounds like an accent too. It felt like every lovely rental car I've ever driven. I was really disappointed.
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Jan 2, 2016 18:40
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Edit: I had no complaints about the interior of the (leather, heated seats, info tainment nav) Veloster turbo I test drove, and for someone who regularly drove a sedan with an Iron Duke, I couldn't call it slow. When I test drove the Veloster two and a half years ago, my main complaint was with the rear window. It felt like looking through this: AvesPKS fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 2, 2016 19:32
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I've got the factory Hyundai "performance" exhaust on mine and it does a decent amount towards not making the car sound like a Corolla. Canada only had 3 trim packages when I bought mine and all of them were decently appointed, we didn't get any of the stripper models until now I think. The fully loaded turbo model feels pretty nice inside, having driven an elantra as a rental while the dealer kept loving mine up, I can say it's a nice step up in feel and design in the Veloster. The shifter felt fine for me, not spectacular but decent enough for a cable shift. Seriously, tires practically transform the car. The oem ones are downright dangerous. Handling is ok, you'll still have fun but there's definitely better out there. The hatch area is huge and it's a very practical car, the 3rd door is really drat useful for people and for loading things into the rear seats. E: rear visibility - without the backup camera, hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
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Jan 2, 2016 21:07
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If you have only driven the turbo model the R-spec and Rally improved the shifting, steering ratios, and stiffened up the suspension. it really isn't fair to only drive the VT and say it is a elantra without trying the others first. Tuned up and what not it probably will not be 100% as fast as a mazda speed 3 but the surgery turbo will make it feel fast versus the smoothness of the ST. I had the same issues with the fiesta (too small) and focus (expensive and same turn ratio as my long bed chevy). It is worth a look at least.
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Jan 3, 2016 00:10
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Christobevii3 posted:If you have only driven the turbo model the R-spec and Rally improved the shifting, steering ratios, and stiffened up the suspension. it really isn't fair to only drive the VT and say it is a elantra without trying the others first. Tuned up and what not it probably will not be 100% as fast as a mazda speed 3 but the surgery turbo will make it feel fast versus the smoothness of the ST. I had the same issues with the fiesta (too small) and focus (expensive and same turn ratio as my long bed chevy). It is worth a look at least. Focus ST is the same price as an MS3 and a mere 3 feet longer turning radius. You can't be serious. Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 3, 2016 |
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Jan 3, 2016 02:32
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fyodor posted:Focus ST is the same price as an MS3 and a mere 3 feet longer turning radius. You can't be serious. Dude's talking up the idea of throwing thousands of dollars away "tuning" a loving Veloster, he's a literal retard.
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Jan 3, 2016 03:12
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Wheeee posted:Dude's talking up the idea of throwing thousands of dollars away "tuning" a loving Veloster, he's a literal retard. It is like $2000-2500 for a tune and required parts on a car that is had under $20k. I'm just saying it is an option worth looking at if he was considering the fiesta st since the problems with the fiesta st interior size and comfort wise are resolved in the veloster. Having a 40ft turn radius sucks in cities?
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Jan 3, 2016 04:14
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Christobevii3 posted:It is like $2000-2500 for a tune and required parts on a car that is had under $20k. I'm just saying it is an option worth looking at if he was considering the fiesta st since the problems with the fiesta st interior size and comfort wise are resolved in the veloster. Having a 40ft turn radius sucks in cities? If you are comparing one brand new car as is to another brand new car that you have to gently caress with in order to even start to approach the other one then that's kind of a big deal. Especially comparing something like the interior of a GTI to a Veloster, the guy is obviously talking about living with a vehicle and is beyond numbers. If the GTI is light on power then what you really need is a Golf R 
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Jan 3, 2016 09:49
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KakerMix posted:If you are comparing one brand new car as is to another brand new car that you have to gently caress with in order to even start to approach the other one then that's kind of a big deal. This is really common in the hot hatch segment though. "Well you see, the GTI is clearly superior to X because if you chip the GTI it's" 
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Jan 3, 2016 14:55
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I'm say it is an option he should check out if he was looking at the fiesta st and the sizing was a problem. The veloster turbo unless it gets a irs and the 2.0L from the sonota isn't going to compete with a focus st or gti in power or handling without upgrades. But for an everyday vehicle compared to the fiesta st with pretty much the same price why not go look at it?
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Jan 3, 2016 21:24
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Never understood the turning radius thing. Tons of cars have a lovely turning radius (Evo comes to mind) but still can handle amazingly well. If you have to 4 point turn coming out of your driveway, ok, I could see that. But nothing is that bad. Also, don't buy a Veloster. See: Bajaha's thread.
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Jan 4, 2016 00:46
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Larrymer posted:Never understood the turning radius thing. Tons of cars have a lovely turning radius (Evo comes to mind) but still can handle amazingly well. If you have to 4 point turn coming out of your driveway, ok, I could see that. But nothing is that bad. The Evo thing made me laugh. So short lock-to-lock so it's not like they couldn't have gotten the turning radius down.
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Jan 4, 2016 01:09
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I live in a dense urban area (city of Boston) with parallel street parking and while I don't like the turning circle on the FoST, you definitely get used to it.
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Jan 4, 2016 16:34
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Christobevii3 posted:I'm say it is an option he should check out if he was looking at the fiesta st and the sizing was a problem. The veloster turbo unless it gets a irs and the 2.0L from the sonota isn't going to compete with a focus st or gti in power or handling without upgrades. But for an everyday vehicle compared to the fiesta st with pretty much the same price why not go look at it? I rode (as usual) in my coworker's Turbo Velo today on the way to lunch. He laughed at me telling him about your assertion it's a hot hatch. He wanted me to make sure to tell you "Haha, this thing isn't fast and it'll never feel fast. It gets decent gas mileage and has an awful head unit and ride."
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Jan 4, 2016 20:47
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I'm going to go test drive a Focus ST again. I'm haggling with some dealerships on GTI pricing so I figured I might as well. One question: should sitting in the Recaros feel like I'm sitting in a bucket? Only thing I didn't like about the Focus ST, and I'm hoping I just didn't adjust them properly, although I'm afraid this won't be the case.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:21
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