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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Kurieg posted:

Powered by what in the air though?

the Free Market.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

I'd really enjoy watching a libertarian group try to get its head around a society that has genuinely gone post-scarcity. The insane contortions would be wonderful.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Kurieg posted:

Powered by what in the air though? Air is 80% Inert gas. The rest is oxygen and some trace compounds like Methane and Hydrogen. Seriously if they're able to power themselves entirely through air and water that's a way more interesting development than robot heaven.
One of the main original developers of the Cogs was a 57 year old mouse schoolteacher who figured out this one weird trick to power a robot with nothing but ambient air. She was shunned by the scientific community, a lot of them hated her, but she got a patent and funding and later went into production and that's where air-powered robots come from.

(you know what would actually make some goddamn sense if they just ran on water and air? Friggin' hydrogen fuel cells that require water for fuel and they need to be able to vent the water vapor Or Else so they give them the ability to "breathe" so they look more lifelike)

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Hostile V posted:

One of the main original developers of the Cogs was a 57 year old mouse schoolteacher who figured out this one weird trick to power a robot with nothing but ambient air. She was shunned by the scientific community, a lot of them hated her, but she got a patent and funding and later went into production and that's where air-powered robots come from.

(you know what would actually make some goddamn sense if they just ran on water and air? Friggin' hydrogen fuel cells that require water for fuel and they need to be able to vent the water vapor Or Else so they give them the ability to "breathe" so they look more lifelike)

Are you sure? I heard it was janitor who walked in on a chalkboard full of equations trying to solve the energy problem. He decided to erase one line and fixed the entire equation. The scientists involved, of course, had him killed and buried without rites then used his work to revolutionize the world.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Covok posted:

Are you sure? I heard it was janitor who walked in on a chalkboard full of equations trying to solve the energy problem. He decided to erase one line and fixed the entire equation. The scientists involved, of course, had him killed and buried without rites then used his work to revolutionize the world.

The funny thing is that in the corporate dystopia that HSD should be, despite the author's protestations to the opposite, this is really what they'd do. :v:

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

PurpleXVI posted:

The funny thing is that in the corporate dystopia that HSD should be, despite the author's protestations to the opposite, this is really what they'd do. :v:

Well, I'm just making a reference to Hitcherhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, but you make a point: intellectual rights laws are rough so it's "easier" if the person can't "bring up a suit" for using his ideas.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Now I'm imagining that forcing robots to breathe was actually part of a conspiracy by the Spacesuit creation industry ensuring that they'd always have a market.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Kurieg posted:

Now I'm imagining that forcing robots to breathe was actually part of a conspiracy by the Spacesuit creation industry ensuring that they'd always have a market.

You could explain a lot of weird tech quirks in a terrible corporate dystopia this way. "Why do we do the less efficient thing? Because those people have a private army and a massive legal department and advertising budget."

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Is this the GenChat thread? I can't find the GenChat thread and I would like to talk about Night's Black Agents. Can I do that here?

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

This is the thread for telling people about games you love or hate, in enough detail for us to understand what they're about and what play is like. So...sure, tell us about Night's Black AGents.

E: Though we're probably gonna want a new thread for the new year.

Tasoth
Dec 13, 2011
If HSC was more self aware, it'd make an interesting art piece. Create a world where the people who are alienated by normal society become the norm then slyly have it impose the exact same forms of persecution on a sub-segment in a way that gets the consumer base to be okay with it. Whole man's inhumanity to man thing going on only with 3' dick bearing pandataurs and sharkcougars.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Everblight posted:

Is this the GenChat thread? I can't find the GenChat thread and I would like to talk about Night's Black Agents. Can I do that here?

We stopped making TG chat threads since certain people can't stop shitposting in them but you could make one if you wanted.

Talking about NBAgents seems germane to the thread if you're willing to introduce us to it. Definitely I have good things to say about it and its supplements.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Wing-Folk:Thieves and Tricksters, all
Note: Not all wingfolk are Thieves or Tricksters.

quote:

Mickey Frank woke on a metal cot in the field hospital. He looked down in fascination at the band of cotton dressing wrapped around his middle, darkened in the middle where blood was beginning to seep through. He could feel the morphine coursing through his bloodstream. Adele, the nurse he had taken to the USO show not a few days ago, stood at the foot of his bed, watching him sleep. But wait, no, the woman at his side wasn’t a nurse. His watcher was clothed in white, like Florence Nightingale from his boyhood history books, not in the dull army green he knew so well. And yet, something in her reminded him of Adele. The sharpness of her dark eyes, the downy skin of her long neck as she bent over him, tender and powerful. “You,” he whispered against her skin.
She spread her arm as if waiting for his embrace, and here her limbs multiplied into hundreds of pale arms, ending in fingers shapely as feathers. Beyond her head, the field hospital was gone, transformed into the eternal twilight at the end of the world, shot through with magnetic bands of shifting color. “Come,” she said. Not-Adele twined her neck around his throat, enfolded his body in her million-fi ngered arms, pressing him to her breast. “No, wait,” he said, but the muscles of her neck and wings tightened further, until he saw only blackness and stars, and the beat of wings bore him away.
What!? Reading ahead, apparently the Were-Swans are Valkyries, but they're one of the "Let's barely give this breed any pagespace" breeds and they don't actually describe their war form, definitely not like Old Testament Angels.

Behold the Beast: So apparently man has always looked to the beasts of the air for signs and portents of what to come, since man cannot govern the flight of birds and bats they therefore are the surest way to divine one's fate. And since they are the diviners of fate man has rarely sought to do them harm. I don't think "Sought" is the thing to take away here, more like "was unable to", we've hunted birds ever since we figured out how spears work. The ones we don't hunt either don't have enough meat to be worthwhile, or are right bastards like the Swan.

Mankind has turned birds into their gods, or relations to their gods, since the dawn of time. And bats as well, though in lesser number due to bats being less widespread. Wing-folk give no fucks about that because they can fly, they don't have to give a gently caress about gravity or what stupid land bound mammals think. Which is good because man is forever jealous of the bird, cause it can fly. But they don't kill birds because of ANCIENT SANCTIONS. anyone who violates these ANCIENT SANCTIONS is usually paid a visit by the wing-folk and killed. They don't give a gently caress about chickens, though. We can eat them.

They tend to live in cavernous spaces, or high places. The Vagahuir bat-folk apparently love huge open rooms with lots of soft spaces where they can nest and cuddle with their kin, both human and beast. Bird shifters are kelptos and decorate their nests with all sorts of shiny stolen things. Since apparently they're all Corvids. All wingfolk have an elevated opinion of themselves, so whenever multiple breeds gather they all argue about who's the best at everything. They mention the Fraternal Order of Horus were-falcons who are basically the freemasons. But they don't get writeups.

Wing-folk are very territorial, and since they can fly everything is their territory if they want it to be. As far as what they eat.

quote:

Their dishes are as varied as those of humans, though many Wing-Folk prefer a diet heavy in meat. Most Westerners would consider their specialties “weird”: poached mouse, live ants wrapped in succulent leaves, fricassee of rattlesnake. However, Wing-Folk also enjoy fresh fish and eel, making sushi and sashimi restaurants popular gathering places for Wing-Folk worldwide.
Naturally, the Spinner-Kin and smaller specimens of the Riverkin and Serpentine breeds feel uneasy around the Wing-Folk. Although it’s unlikely that a winged feral would eat another feral of a different breed out of mere hunger, they do feed on ferals’ animal kin. Larger Wing-Folk, such as falcons, bats and owls, have been known to cannibalize smaller winged ferals in fits of rage.
So that's multiple harmony 3 sins right there, but it's okay because...?

They talk at length about Wing Folk society but it can be summed up as "Bird are all loving assholes and schemers who actually do not care if their followers and kin die, as long as they aren't their direct relatives. Also they hate each other and have no real solidarity in any form." Which contradicts the whole "Avenge bird murder" thing they were talking about in the first few paragraphs. However it then says that birds are loyal to their mates and mate for life and.... loving christ this is the very next paragraph Either they care or they don't! Make up your minds! Avian ferals almost always have female alphas. And they don't give two fucks about challenges for dominance, because they think they're awesome and need to be repeatedly beaten back down if they get uppity.

quote:

Stereotypes
Man: Man is a mere page in the vast tome of our people’s history.
Mages: They could achieve more if they weren’t afraid to get their hands messy. True magic requires sacrifice.
Vampires: No good for food, no use as servants. What use is something undead?
Werewolves: What have we to fear from creatures bound to the earth?
Man, this is going to be a miserable chapter.

Gente Alada: The Bright Assassins
Aztec Warrior Hummingbirds, yeah this is going to be ridiculously racist.

quote:

The people of Guatemala say the quetzal bird once sang more sweetly than any other beast in creation. But when the Spanish conquered the Americas, the quetzal ceased to sing, its melodies replaced by a harsh cry. Men say the quetzal will regain its beautiful voice only when its people are free from bondage. The Gente Alada, literally “winged folk,” are echoes of the quetzal’s promise. Warriors in the form of quetzal and hummingbird ferals, this “breed” (really a sect united by common origin) fights under the banner of ancient Aztec deities: Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun; Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent, who embodies both heaven and earth in his form; and Mictlantecuhtli, lord of the dead.
The Aztecs believed Huitzilopochtli called the souls of warriors killed in battle and women who died in childbirth to serve him. These souls could later return to earth for a brief time as hummingbirds or butterflies. Hummingbird warriors among the Gente Alada believe themselves to be these spirits, returned to earth for a brief tenure and charged with bringing about an end to Man’s dominion over Nature. When the regional headquarters of a multinational corporation poised to clear-cut a forest mysteriously catches fire, or explosives rock a mile-high dam, devotees of Huitzilopochtli are certain to have had a hand in the destruction.
Aztec Eco-Warrior Hummingbirds. loving Hell. Oh, and the Gente Alada eat their slain foes hearts, for maximum Racism.

quote:

Mictlantecuhtli also attracts his share of followers from the ranks of the quetzal and hummingbirds, as well as some owls. Devotees of the lord of the dead have gone beyond the ritual cardiophagy popular among the quetzal to full-out cannibalism of their human kin. Unlike the quetzals, the devotees of the lord of the dead don’t confi ne themselves to strategic murders of powerful men. To these hummingbird warriors, all humans are a threat to the devotees’ kind. They move in darkness, picking off members of the human race at random. Often, the victims are the poor and vagrant, whose deaths are unlikely to attract attention to their murderers. The more the devotees of the lord of the dead kill, the more souls they have delivered to serve the lord of the dead.
Full-On Cannibalism? Did ANYONE read the harmony sin list?

Apperance: When Tecún Umán, the warrior prince of the Maya Quiché was slain by the Spanish, his Nahual, a quetzal, flew down and dipped its chest feathers in the prince’s blood, marking its kind with blood-red chests for all time. So they all wear red shirts. The Quetzal War-Beast form sprouts verdant green wings and a spiked crest of feathers, though they keep their human legs and chest. So they paint their chests red. The Hummingbird War-Form has a needle thin beek which they use to spear their foes hearts in battle. Devotees of Mictlantecuhtli clothe themselves in drab colors so they don't draw attention to themselves. Oh, also i should point out that they don't have hands in their war forms... so...

Background:

quote:

Ferals who take hummingbird form populate all of Central America. They are the most numerous among the Gente Alada. Meanwhile, the heart of quetzal culture radiates from Guatemala, where people regard the bird highly. The cult of Mictlantecuhtli has followers throughout the world, and though they are less numerous outside of Central America, their doctrine is beginning to catch on among young ferals of other nationalities and species. Followers of Mictlantecuhtli may be rare in Poland or Japan, for example, but thanks to the “virtual wings” of Internet culture, they’re beginning to make their presence known.
Uhh...

quote:

Unlike other Gente Alada, Mictlantecuhtli’s followers kill their human progeny at birth, delivering them directly into the hands of their god. Thus the world is rid of Man’s evil, and Mictlantecuhtli’s kingdom prospers. Initiates into the cult of the death god often must kill a human relative in order to be accepted into the fellowship of Mictlantecuhtli’s followers. Devotees of Huitzilopochtle and Quetzalcoatl regard these practices as barbaric. In fact, most Wing-Folk would consider the murder or ritual sacrifice of their own relatives, especially their young, a sacrilege.
What the gently caress!?

By comparison the Gente Alada just teach their human children how to use demolitions since their Shifter children can't set dynamite without hands... also they can't do that in the war-form anyway but I really need to stop being surprised when they forget about the whole "battle rage blood lust" thing.

Breed Favors: Fang and Claw (Beak) 1(L) (Talons)2(L), Speed 10, Wings
Breed Bonus: All ferals of the Gente Alada are required to take Brawl, Weaponry, and Academics, but they get free specialties in Close Combat, Silent Kills, and Aztec History. (which is an incredibly clunky way to do things, just saying) also they're all tiny as hell so they get +2 to hiding.
Common Aspects:Alarming Alacrity, Carnivore’s Puissance, Earthbond, Grave Misfortune, Keen Sense (Sight), Mindmap, Resilient Form, Size 3, Swift Wing, Tell (Bright Colors), Territory Bond, The Wild Cry (Birds), Totem Guardian (Hummingbird), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye
Form Adjustments: War Beast: Str+2, Dex+4, Speed+7, +2 to Sight Perception Primal Beast: Dex+5, Size 3, Health 4, Speed 12, +2 to Sight Perception

Uhhh.. They didn't give them set Strength and Stamina adjustments. So they shouldn't just have 4 health. Also that means that you can have a swole as gently caress hummingbird with 5 strength, so we can laugh at that right after the whole... racist murder cult thing.


Corvians: Dark and Pretty Thing

quote:

In the days before Creation, when all was black and void, a part of that black void detached itself from the rest and began to fly. Its first caw cracked the Nothingness, and all other things began. So goes the tale the crow-folk cackle to themselves. Whether or not they believe the story or consider it one more raucous joke at Man’s expense remains a mystery.
:sigh:

So yeah, raven/crow shifters. He's apparently the original creator deity, he found humans, stole the sun from it's original keeper, cracked the egg that held our world, dropped the stone that became land into the sea, etc. He's also the devil's wingman, Lilith's lover, a stealer of souls, a demon. Or he's none of those things, BECAUSE ISN'T THAT THE BEST JOKE OF ALL!? LYING!?

They're soul-guides and spies, if they can keep their interest in anything long enough for it to matter. They're also all perceptive and good at solving puzzles. And they pay some lip service to Huginn and Muninn, because it would frankly be weird if they didn't.

Appearance: Regardless of what kind of Corvid they are (magpies, rooks, jackdaws, ravens, and crows are all namedropped) they're all beautiful. In human form they all wear at least some article of black, be it jewlery or clothing. Some are consummate goths, others dress in finery, but again they're all beautiful.

They don't have a war form, instead they've got a humanoid crow-man throwback. And either a giant human sized crow dire-beast form, or they turn into a flock of birds. But not both.

Background: So in addition to being universally beautiful. They're all smart. And they're all rebels, breaking ALL the rules and mocking EVERY convention. But of course even that's a loving contradiction because they're "Frustrated idealists who wouldn't dare reveal how much they truly care about the world."

But they also have a mean streak because they're contradictory. "Don’t leave your illusions laying around when a crow’s nearby — she’ll smash them, laugh and cut your with the shards. It’s said that Crow’s children are all teachers, and Lesson #1 seems to be this: Live like you know you’re dying. Because, as any crow can tell you, we all are. And in the end, it will be Raven’s wings that enfold Creation’s finale, just as they did in its beginning." And then everyone at the poetry slam clapped.

Breed Favors: Fang and Claw (Beak and Talons) 1(L), Speed 10, Wings
Breed Bonus: As mentioned, they don't have a war form. They're also tricksters so they get access to the bag of tricks, but since they've got throwback and dire raven/flock forms they only get 7 free dots instead of 9. Also they can hide really well in beast form cause they're small.
Common Aspects: Alarming Alacrity, Bare Necessities, Blind Burrow, Brave Escape, Carnivore’s Puissance, Clever Monkey, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Fortune’s Favor, Grave Misfortune, Keen Sense (Sight), Magnificence, Mimic, Mindmap, Mindspeech, Nine Lives, Pearl of Great Price, Resilient Form, Size 2, Shadow Bond, Spinebite, Spirit Sight, Spook the Herd, Stash, Swarm/Flock Form, Swift Wing, Tell (Black Feathers or Eyes), The Wild Cry (Corvids), Truth Sense, Twisted Tongue, Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye

Form Adjustments: Throwback: Str+1, Dex+2, Sta+1, Man-2, Health +1, Speed+8, +2 to Sight Perception, Talons and Wings Dire Beast: Dex+1, Sta+1, Size 6, Health+2, Speed+6, +2 to Sight Primal Beast: Str 2, Dex+1, Sta 2, Size 2, Health 4, Speed 14, +2 to Sight Perception

This.. is fine, i mean yeah they're giant assholes but they're crows so that's expected.

Chevaliers Rapace: Ministers of War
Were-Raptor(The birds, not the dinosaur) War profiteers. They used to actually take to the battlefield and lead armies themselves beneath the banner of the proud eagle, but that's just not necessary anymore when they can just buy a politician. They say that they were originally formed as an order of crusading knights under Charlemange, pitted against the Lombards, Saracens, and Saxons. Then they travelled to Australia and the Americas, bringing with them civilization and killing any were-raptors who chose not to join their holy order.
Now they're not so much an order of knights as much as a loose confederation of ridiculously rich and powerful people. Those who wish to join form smaller crime syndicates and try to make a name for themselves, or apprentice themselves to someone in power and try to join their flock. They are notoriously litigious and have several in-house lawyers. In fact they often send their unchanged children to law school so they can at least be somewhat useful. Their lawyers are well regarded, but short lived since the Chevaliers have a bad habit of killing the messenger.

Appearance: Literally aquiline. They're old money and they dress like it. In the presence of other humans they often forget themselves and stare without blinking in a challenge display. Their primal form is a single large bird. Their war form is a large humanoid bird with wings "coming out of it's back instead of arms" which... shows a severe misunderstanding of how wings are supposed to work. "Women retain their human hair and breasts, but they are covered in a lighter, softer layer of feathers than their wings." Faaaantastic.

Background: Women play an important part in their First Change rituals, because their first transformation is a private, messy affair and apparently it's embarrassing to change in front of your father? Members rarely meet in person, each administers affairs of war in their own territory (Selling arms, buying politicians, ordering executions and smear campaigns) and meddling in another's affairs is a serious breach of etiquette. On rare occasions they'll set up a merger via marriage of their children. Though the children's opinions don't actually factor into things, if they don't like it their parents will simply kill them.

Breed Favor: Fang and Claw (beak) 1(L) (Talons) 2(L), Speed 15, Wings
Breed Bonus: All have Academics with a free skill specialty in Military History, but they have to buy Brawl, weapon skill, and the fighting finesse merit(dive and claw) not for free.
Common Aspects: Alarming Alacrity, Keen Sense (Sight), Magnificence, Mindmap, Sexual Dimorphism, Size 6, Spinebite, Spook the Herd, Swift Wing, The Wild Cry (Birds), Truth Sense, Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye

Form Adjustments: War Beast: Str+4, Dex+1, Sta+5, Size 6, Health+6, Speed+11, +2 to Sight Perception Primal Beast: Str 4, Dex+1,Sta 5, Size 4, Health 8, Speed 20, +2 to Sight Perception

That's.. a lot of stamina for a bird. Also a very big bird. But why give them stats anyway? They're NPCs and no one would or should actually play them.

Vagahuir: Songs of the Sky
Behold the were-bats. They apparently have the most to fear from man because they are the most feared. "Bearers of evil magic and disease". But of course that's all lies, they want nothing to do with real magic. Despite their predjudices they don't mean man any real harm, though they may "Skim the Cream" from an unsuspecting businessman's pocket...

Oh gently caress they're Romani :psyduck:

quote:

They avoid Man and his gathering places whenever possible, preferring the open road (or sky) to cities. If they traverse into Man’s territory, it is out of sheer desperation — a family member fallen gravely ill or a streak of bad luck that leaves their children starving — or by pure accident.
When the Vagahuir do show their faces, either in Primal or human form, the Vagahuir often find themselves run out of town by exterminators or angry mobs. Moving from small town to small town, sleeping in rented campsites and abandoned houses, these ferals seldom find a place unsullied by the ancient and unfounded hatred humans bear for their kind. “Rest your weary bones by day,” the old Vagahuir proverb goes. “For by night, we fly this place.”
They don't actually say Romani, but they imply it very hard.

They have apparently found some success in China, where the bag was seen as a symbol of prosperity, and used to roam the country in caravans. However the one-child restriction hit the Vargyr very hard, as has westerinzation. As modern chinese don't see bedding a Vagahuir woman as the honor it should be.

Appearance: In primal form they're a bat. In War-Beast form smaller breeds turn into a swarm of bats, but larger ones turn into Man-Bat from that one episode of Batman. In human form they prefer to dress in leathers, they don't care that leather is drab because it can be dyed and embroidered, which is a highly valued craft for the Vagahuir. Mothers teach their daughters a wide variety of patterns. Curved lines facing downward are their wings, and each circle under the wings is one of their children. This is a symbol of pride to show that they have many daughters and are worthy of respect. Tatooing is also popular since it's "Embroidery of the skin".

Background: Mothers are the center of Vagahuir culture because of course it loving is. But young are raised communally since everyone is "Of the blood". That said actually popping out children is what's important, and prolific mothers gain scads of honor for doing so.

quote:

Because children are relatively rare among their kind and are a mark of prestige, Vagahuir girls begin trying to conceive early in life. As a means of increasing reproduction, their culture also encourages polyandry. A Vagahuir woman will bed many men in her life, both human and feral, leaving a trail of broken hearts behind her. While she may fall in love from time to time, her people won’t encourage her to mate with the same man for long. To do so would be unlucky, they say, and might even make her infertile.
Holy poo poo.

quote:

Song is also important to the Vagahuir. Normal bats may shriek, but human and feral Vagahuir alike raise their voices in pure melodies. Music helps pass the time on the long road between safe nesting places, but music is more than mere entertainment. The songs of the Vagahuir tell the story of their history, rolling along to the steady hum of tires on pavement, or beating out in time to the sound of footsteps in the rain. The Vagahuir teach these songs to each new child, in the hope of “singing out the Gift,” causing the feral form to blossom in their young. Whether or not this works, singing out the Gift leaves the child with a rich sense of her family’s history, binding her to them through clear nights and bad days. Even if she feels any misgivings about her family’s traditions ask of her, she will never leave them for a life among other ferals or humans.
Any resemblance to Romani culture, is purely coincidental.

Breed Favors: Echolocation, Speed 10, Wings
Breed Bonus: If they have Expression, they get a free specialization in Song. And they're small so they hide well.
Common Aspects: Clamber, Culling the Weak, Darksight, Fang and Claw (Bite, Claws) 1, Fortune’s Favor, Grave Misfortune, Gross Eater, Keen Sense, Mercy’s Touch, Mindmap, Size 6, Spook the Herd, Swarm/Flock Form, Swift Wing, The Wild Cry (Bats), Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye, Unspeakable

Form Adjustments: War Beast: Str+3, Sta+4, Size 6, Health+5, Speed+10, +2 to Sight Perception Primal Beast: Sta +1, Size 3, Health 5, Speed +5, +2 to Sight Perception
That's... Well we've got swolebat again. Just... loving Gypsy Bats.


The Strigori: Splended Isolation
Owls have always been thematically associated with death. "Lilith, Mother of Demons, is named for the screech owl, and the children of Israel clutched at copper amulets to keep her at bay. The Greeks made her the noble companion of Gray-Eyed Athene, goddess of Wisdom and War, but her reputation had already been made." So if you combine "Keepers of the Dead" with "Wisdom and War" you get Necromancers. Right?

They've been Necromancers for so long they've actually sort of become bored with it, to the point that they torture ghosts just because it amuses them and the ghosts don't expect it. They lavishly decorate their lairs with preserved organs, skeletons, and stretchings of cured skin. Because the spirits of their former owners keep them company. They function as information brokers for supernatural creatures and humans alike. Though they're shut ins and thank god for the internet.

Appearance: They don't give two fucks about how they actually look. They'll wear the same clothes until they become stained and threadbare and no longer functional. And they don't bathe unless they have to. So they're not usually welcome in public. This suits them just fine and this leads to them usually being obese slobs. Their primal form is a screech owl. And their War-Form is a big Gryphon thing.

Background: Strigori are solitary to a fault. They only take other Strigori as mates, if they take a mate at all. This isn't out of any form of endearing love but because if they're going to spend time vetting someone they only want to do it once. Children born outside of such pairings are sent to live with their "Aunts and Uncles" where they're instructed in the lore of their kind and the discipline of research. And necromancy. If they don't show the gift they get to serve as a buffer between the Strigori and the outside world, sent out to get groceries, information, or proxies in matter of business.

quote:

When, in 1957, a secret auction was held of the “evidence” found at Ed Gein’s Wisconsin farmhouse, the mortal children of the Strigoi were waiting, briefcases in hand.
This is just crass.

Breed Favors: Darksight, Fang and Claw (beak)2(L) wings 3(B), Wings
Breed Bonus: Two free skill specialties in either Academics, Investigation, or Occult
Common Aspects:Beast Magic (Death Spells), Carnivore’s Puissance, Clever Monkey, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Grave Misfortune, Gross Eater, Hypnotic Allure, Keen Sense (Sight), Skin Double, Speed 8, Spook the Herd, Spirit Sight, Sweet-Voiced Fiend, Swift Wing, The Wild Cry (Owls), Truth Sense, Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye, Unspeakable

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+2, Dex+3, Man-4, Size 6, Speed+8, Health+1, Speed+3, +2 to Sight Primal Beast: Dex+4, Size 4, Health 5, Speed+7, +2 to Sight perception rolls

They're obese goon necromancers, who, as a rule, smell. Who is going to willingly play these guys.

Other Species:

Brythians: Wings Heavy with Grace

Swans, Valkyries Valkyries Valkyries Valkyries Valkyries VALKYRIES VALKYRIES VALKYRIES VALKYRIES VALKYRIES Swans

There I just saved us both 5 paragraphs, they don't even describe their War-Form.

Breed Favors: Fang and Claw (Beak) 1(L) (Wings) 3(B), Speed 13, Wings
Breed Bonus: Nothing, there's not even a joke or anything it's literally blank.
Common Aspects:Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Foretelling, Keen Sense (Sight), Magnificence, Mercy’s Touch, Mindmap, Size 7, Spirit Bond, Spirit Sight, Swift Wing, The Wild Cry (Birds), Truth Sense, Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye


Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+2, Dex+1, Sta+5, Size 7, Speed+15, Health+6, Speed+3, +2 to Sight Primal Beast: Str+1, Dex+1, Sta+3, Size 5, Health 2, Speed+11, +2 to Sight perception rolls

That's one hardy swan, and they hosed up the health calculation. Such a waste of a neat concept.

Up Next: We end this thing, Finally

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Badass hummingbird people should be great, goddamnit! Not a racist murder cult! This should be like the killer penguins, not...whatever the gently caress I just read.

TombsGrave
Feb 15, 2008

And of course they lump in the were-quetzals with the Hummingbird on the Left, when Quetzalcoatl refused human sacrifice in favor of sacrifice of art made from gold and quetzal feathers.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

Mors Rattus posted:

E: Though we're probably gonna want a new thread for the new year.

Whenever Inklesspen catches up to archiving this thread would be a good cue to start anew.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Alien Rope Burn posted:

Whenever Inklesspen catches up to archiving this thread would be a good cue to start anew.

Gonna miss that thread title tho.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Hc Svnt Dracones: Extended Core



Cogsunes

Surprisingly enough, Cogsunes are not robot kitsunes(or kitsune? Not sure on the plural there again.).



Instead they're these little fuckers. Remember the Pod morphs from Eclipse Phase that no one ever used because they were mechanically vastly inferior to everyone else, and essentially only good for novelty NPC's or if some PC really wanted to tank his numbers just so he could be a giant plant? Cogsune are kind of like pod morphs in that they're part organic, part robotic. Again, it's amusing that the Vectors apparently have a taboo against creating new outright organic species, but are cranking out these weird fully or partially robotic races every few hundred years just for corporate profits. Unlike Cogs, however, Cogsune aren't full citizens. They're made by one corporation, and all work for that one corporation, usually secreted away in their own little insular outposts where they do superscience research into forbidden topics(or using forbidden methods), in order to give said corporation some deniability on it.

It's never really defined what's "forbidden research" considering that creating new lifeforms(Blips and Bio-Probes), creating en entire slave species(the Cogsune themselves, the Mice) aren't really something that greater Vector society reacts to, and there's an entire major corporation dedicated to prodding at the soft, vulnerable underbelly of time and space(TTI, the guys doing the whole "Transcendent Implants" poo poo, you know, space wizards that blow themselves up most of the time) and just about everyone can buy huge railguns if they've got the money. So what's left as being socially unacceptable? Obscene art? Recreating humans?

Besides being modular(their big custom rule thing is that they can swap out limbs for specialized tools. Of course, pretty much all of the tool options for arms also preclude having enough manual dexterity to wield weapons or operate devices, so that renders the majority of them effectively pointless. Also their existence and operations are supposed to be semi-secret, but all of their robot replacement limbs are super-blatant) pseudo-robots, their main thing is that they're small(two feet tall) without having any of the limitations that "Micro" characters have, and also their chargen is radically different since they have no Ledger stats(they get funded by the other Cogsune or their parent corporation) and they have only one stat spread. Said starting stat spread makes them a complete social sperg and physically utterly brittle, but break the starting limit of 3 on three out of their five mental stats(and remember that the "Mind" stats are also the ones used for firearms, so this makes them combat monsters as well.)



Hc Svnt Dracones posted:

Vectors represent excess and opulence that is, quite literally, larger than life, and Vector pop culture holds a certain fascination to some while simultaneously revolting others. Singing is a noteworthy example. Cogsunes like music as much as the next person, but singing uses an enormous amount of oxygen, something they themselves consume very little of. The fact that oxygen isn’t a finite resource for them is a non-issue; it’s the overuse of it that matters.

You should play a Cogsune IF: You want to roll your eyes and complain about all the normies and the "illogical" or "wasteful" things that they like.

Also all Cogsunes are functionally immortal since they've basically got the whole brain backup thing from Eclipse Phase going for them, complete with instantaneous, constant backups(no losing a month of memories and experience because your Stack fell into a star) and instant deployment of a new body for them(though it may take a few days for them to actually get back to where they were). Also they just get their replacement limbs by instantly transforming one of their existing limbs(after calling back home and asking for it to be done), then when they're tired of their new specialist limb, they can just plug it out and spend a couple of hours growing themselves a fresh normal one to plug back into the socket, keeping the specialist limb in their backpack in case they need it again.

These things really feel like the author had a pre-made "Cogsune" OC that he wanted to jam in with its own super-special rules that no one else got to play with.

Exo-Nymphs



I'll be honest, when I saw the name "Exo Nymph" my first thought was "oh boy, is this going to be some creepy alien fetish chapter?" Instead we get giant bugs. I like giant bugs, they're cool. I've always been a fan of the Thri-Kreen from Dark Sun, for instance, the Aranea from Red Steel, etc. Aren't you all excited to see how badly HSD will gently caress up the first thing in it that might've been slightly cool?

They're essentially a species of gardener bugs, created by the original human scientists when they started the terraforming of Mars. Rather than trying to just create a stable ecosystem from scratch, with all of the pollinators and other little niches that'd need filling, all the delicate equilibriums that'd need balancing... they just created one species of relatively intelligent bug with a desire to maintain the system, who'd prune or sustain other species as needed, keep things pollinated, etc.(the game even addresses that this does make for a somewhat-fragile system since there's only one species that'd need to be hit by a poison or a plague to tank the whole mess) They're capable of having a lot of forms, modified by hive chemistry, so they can turn serpentine, grow wings, extra limbs, etc. oh and they can eat brains to consume knowledge and skills. Usually each others', as it's the fastest way for two colonies to communicate a lot of info, just send one guy who knows it all then let the other colony eat his brain.

Of course, that sounds more like what tiny little bug-sized creatures would do, when the art we've just seen is of a human-sized creature with a gun.

The answer is mad science. Some idiot Vector decided to make a human-sized, human-intelligence, human-sapience Nymph so he could talk to it for undefined reasons. He was successful, the nymph then decided that it needed to know more about its environments and did what it always did: It ate his goddamn brain. Which taught it to make more of its own kind, which it promptly did with the idiot scientist's lab equipment. I'll be honest, it's kind of cool that one of the PC options is basically as a creepy, buggy xenomorph that eats brains.

Most Vectors don't know that they exist(they know about the bug-sized ones, but not about the human-sized, brain-eating ones), so they lurk around the shadows and, if discovered, just pretend to be novelty Blips. They're also not sapient until after the first time they eat someone's brain, which is another fun thing. Their starting memories and skills are literally from their first kill. Unlike Vectors they're also not just humans in funny suits, which is refreshing, alien forms and actual alien behavior... though some of the potential for this is somewhat lost due to not really having their own culture, and really only Vector culture and Vector knowledge to start off of, which means they'll basically always end up kind of Vector-ish, but never quite(for instance, murdering other sapient beings is part of their basic biological functions, so they're unlikely to ever really feel super bad about that.). To further the Xenomorph comparison, they also steal the form of the creature they eat, to some extent. If it's got wings, they can sprout a pair, if it's aquatic, they develop more hydrodynamic surfaces, etc.



Mechanically they're somewhat less well-thought-out, basically whenever you eat a brain, you randomly reroll all your stats, despite the fluff stating that you retain all your older memories(though they're somewhat overshadowed by the latest kill), meaning that a poor roll can mean that after eating a brain, you're suddenly less competent than you were before. Set number arrays to distribute would've worked much better, as a single reroll session can make an exonymph either absurdly powerful compared to other characters, or completely useless. Each brain eating also has a 12.5%(one in 8) chance of making part of your last brain-eating a permanent boost, the same thing happens, via GM fiat, if you eat an "important character," i.e. an NPC who's supposed to be exceptionally good at something. Then you get a permanent +1 in their unique stat.

It's a cool idea, but again, mechanically troublesome because the book encourages Exonymphs to function in full-Exonymph parties(so they have nothing to hide), in that case, who eats Elminster's brain when you finally capture him for those sweet +1's? You can't share a brain, and there are only so many important NPC's around. You could easily have one or two PC's hogging all the actual bonuses. Also keep in mind that as far as I can tell, they don't get to "normally" advance in stats like other PC's do, their only way to gain stat boosts is literally by randomly rerolling all their stats through brain-eating, or eating important NPC's brains. Also that's how you generate your stats at the start of the game, just one big fat random roll.

Overall, I think this is one of the less offensive parts of HSD. Cool creature concept, less hung up on pretending to be scientifically accurate, novel mechanics for a PC, but sadly kinda pooches it on actually implementing those mechanics, as well as missing out on some important fluff. For instance, your body changes to mimic your last kill, but it never says if that happens instantly, or after cocooning like a bug, or what. There are also no vivid descriptions of bug sex or mechanics for what happens if a Vector tries to slip the dick to an Exo-Nymph, the lack of anything even vaguely fetishy is a refreshing change. Unless having your brain torn out by a four-foot tongue is your fetish.

After this, we're hitting a patch of mostly rules with less fluff, so there'll probably be less to comment on but... the art doesn't let up. Let me give you a sample so you won't be bored until next time.



I think this is legitimately the dumbest piece of art in the Extended Core so far. See, way back in the "new animals to play as"-chapter, we had a bit that read:

Hc Svnt Dracones posted:

Tauric Delphinidae and Selachii members transition to their lateral lower bodies just below the thighs, leaving a gap between the crotch and the lower body that’s absent on tauric snakes.

I thought they just meant some little indent for the genitals to be in so the porn artists wouldn't be confused about where to put them, but THIS is apparently what they meant. Wow, that looks retarded and more than a little horrifying. Makes the poor thing look like something that should be put out of its misery, like some hosed up Cronenberg mutant. The, uh, "I'm missing some chromosomes, can you help me find them?"-face doesn't make matters any better.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

So, I have a copy of the Ralph Bakshi's Wizards RPG sitting here now. It's amazing to think there could be worse art of Wizards floating around in the world than what is present in the film, but here we are.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005



Of all the things I've seen in this thread, I think I'm the least okay with this. . . thing.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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There is so much wrong with that piece of art.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

At least it has those little snaps in the front to get past the obvious question of how did it put that bathing suit on. Though in retrospect that really just draws attention to the garters, which would have been impossible.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The brain-eating bugmen feel like proof that Vectors are dumb as poo poo. Which would ALSO have been an actually interesting hook: The playthings and created slave labor force of a weird corporate separatist state outliving them due to catastrophe and struggling to find ways to go beyond their programming and build a society on Mars would be awesome as a sci-fi concept.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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theironjef posted:

At least it has those little snaps in the front to get past the obvious question of how did it put that bathing suit on. Though in retrospect that really just draws attention to the garters, which would have been impossible.

It still doesn't explain how it got the thing over its dorsal fin.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I don't want to know how much waste that webbing where the legs merge collects if she has to use the restroom.

Also, a gap like that is in no way aquadynamic. Especially with how it's webbed, it's going to create a pocket that creates a lot of drag.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I always assume that fetish monsters spend hours getting dressed by attendants.Nothing else makes sense. This thing certainly couldn't even reach the lower parts of that tail sarong, and yeah, the fins would make pulling a tiny bathing suit on challenging. Also, impossible garters. At least the jaunty Rolento hat would be easy.

Young Freud posted:

I don't want to know how much waste that webbing where the legs merge collects if she has to use the restroom.

Also, a gap like that is in no way aquadynamic. Especially with how it's webbed, it's going to create a pocket that creates a lot of drag.

How often are the stupid fish monsters in this game actually underwater? I figure with all the hemming and hawing over underwater cat robots, the game is basically discouraging undersea adventures.

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

PurpleXVI posted:

Hc Svnt Dracones: Extended Core




They actually managed to fit those lovely, Nomura anime pants on a creature with a god drat flipper.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

They actually managed to fit those lovely, Nomura anime pants on a creature with a god drat flipper.
She looks like Amphibious Furry Hooker Jill Valentine.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



theironjef posted:

So, I have a copy of the Ralph Bakshi's Wizards RPG sitting here now. It's amazing to think there could be worse art of Wizards floating around in the world than what is present in the film, but here we are.

Excellent.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


"I want to gently caress the shark mermaid in the butt. But the butt is in front because it is a mermaid and that feels weird. But I'm still turned on by mermaids. There we go, this solves it." :downs:

I am seriously not kidding about all this bizarre anatomical weirdness being there to cater to ultra-niche furry fetishes. Although at least the brain-eating bug people don't seem to be one...

Doresh
Jan 7, 2015

Kurieg posted:


Wing-Folk:Thieves and Tricksters, all

Because if I would attribute one kind of birds to be ugly, fat, smelly, basement-dwelling occult nutjobs, it would be owls. Vultures? Never heard of those.

And really? They have to crome each of these breeds into one mythology, but they couldn't find one with bats so they went "Totally Roma but we totally won't say it directly, because I guess even we don't want to be associated with that WoD Gypsies book".

theironjef posted:

So, I have a copy of the Ralph Bakshi's Wizards RPG sitting here now. It's amazing to think there could be worse art of Wizards floating around in the world than what is present in the film, but here we are.

I love listening to you guys describe lovely art :allears:


I think whatever kink they were going for here got destroyed when the artist not only drew that face, but drew it in a way that it appears to merge with the right shoulder.

And this supposed transhuman, post-scarcity and -singularity setting is getting dumber by the page. Why isn't it normal for everyone to mix and match animal DNA to the point these Vector no longer know what a dog is? Why not dabble so heavy into cybernetics and AIs that nobody can tell robots apart from Vectors? Why does nobody think about the rad, brain-eating bugs?!

(And why the hell are cogsune called that way if they're just midget cyborgs?)

Thesaurasaurus
Feb 15, 2010

"Send in Boxbot!"

The not-TerraForMars Mega Man bugs are unironically the best thing I've seen from this trainwreck, and should get their own spinoff once the rest of the line crashes and burns.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Everblight posted:

Is this the GenChat thread? I can't find the GenChat thread and I would like to talk about Night's Black Agents. Can I do that here?

I love everything about the game except the Gumshoe system.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Shadow Breeds
So here are all the things that wouldn't fit in anywhere else. Which is dumb considering they stretched out some of the breeds far more than they needed to. They ask the question "Where are the lines drawn between a selkie, a feral orca and a shapechanging sea lion?" Well, the fact that they need to ask "What's the difference between a seal, a sea lion, and an orca" betrays how terrible they are at this.

The Cold Kings: Primal Legacy
Reptile shifters with a long memory. Were you expecting dragons? There aren't dragons... there's.. something else

Whiskey Croc: The Beast in your Belly
Alcoholic sewer crocodiles. Apparently at some point before their first change, they run away from home and instinctually drink themselves into a stupor in the slimiest sewer they can find. How the gently caress did these guys develop naturally?

quote:

Warmed by alcohol’s kiss and human metabolism, these shapechangers fear the sun but emerge at times to join the night-hunt up above. . . . In human form, they appear degenerate, like the castoff parents who bore them. In Primal form, they’re sewer-sized crocs with smarts to spare. And in War-Beast form, they swell like DTs into man-like shapes with gaping mouths, short claws and scales sheened with whiskey and shattered glass. Though they almost never speak in any form, these ferals recall what the cities have forgotten.

Breed Favors: Darksight, Fang and Claw (bite) 3(L)/(rake)1(L), Natural Armor 4/3
Breed Bonus:They recieve the Eidetic Memory merit for free, but in all forms they reek of alcohol and sewage.
Common Aspects:Blend In, Carnivore’s Puissance, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Extra Limb (Tail — attacks only), Gross Eater, Mercy’s Touch, Nine Lives, Razorskin (Broken Glass Shards), Size 6, Spinebite, Stash, Tell (Alcohol Stench, Drunken Mannerisms), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+4, Sta +4, Man -4, Size 7, Health +6, Speed +3 Primal Beast: Str+3, Sta+4, Man-4, Size 6, Health +5, Speed+3

I feel we've rather heavily departed from the book's original presence. How are these guys in any way serving nature by literally living in poo poo? Also they actually have glass shards for skin, how does that work? Regardless they're combat monsters, 3L bite and 4/3 armor with 4 stamina? Get bit on everyone else.

The Horned Folk: Saints and Satyrs

quote:

From golden fleece to black sheep, the Horned Folk garner a mixed reputation. Stubborn as hell yet offered up to heaven, their sardonic ways mock the sanctity of Man. He cannot deal with them easily, yet finds he can’t do without them fully. Their bleating grates upon his nerves, yet when the wind turns cold, it’s their warmth and wool that he seeks.
:scotland:
But.. now..


Mendeans: Dark Teachers of Desire

quote:

It may have been propaganda that burned the Templars alive, but the conflation of goat-worship and left-hand mysticism bore fruit around later infernos. Named for an Egyptian city dedicated a ram-headed god, the infamous Mendean breed takes up the mantle of Shadow-Teachers. Bearing satanic horns and hermaphrodite anatomy, these pansexual shapechangers lead sabbats on the outskirts of Man’s world, conjuring dark dreams of forbidden knowledge and carnal ecstasy. Yet despite these ferals’ sinister allure, the Mendean excel at healing arts and show compassion to life’s outcasts. Does human perversity guide their birthright? Or is something deeper at work? To Baphometian goat-folk, all things are of Nature. Wisdom comes with embracing fear.
We arrive at the Sexy hermaphrodite Satyrs. Somewhere Phil Brucato just spontaneously orgasmed. And yes all of them as a rule are hermaphrodites.

Breed Favors: Darksight, Fang and Claw(horns) 3(L), Territory Bond
Breed Bonus: Free skill specialties in Occult, they don't have a war form instead they turn into satyrs. Their animal form is a gigantic black goat.
Common Aspects: Beast Magic, Carnivore’s Puissance, Clever Monkey, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Fortune’s Favor, Grave Misfortune, Gross Eater, Hypnotic Allure, Mercy’s Touch, Mimic, Needleteeth, Shadow Bond, Slumber’s Touch, Spirit Sight, Spook the Herd, Sweet-Voiced Fiend, Tell (Goatish Smell), The Wild Cry (Goats and Sheep), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye, Unspeakable

Form Adjustments: Throwback:Str+1, Sta +3, Health +3, Speed +1 Primal Beast: Str+2, Sta+3, Man-2, Size 5, Health +3, Speed+4

Yeeeup.

The Oceanborn: Drawn Below
Sea Creature Shapeshifters! They don't even go with the easy lovecraft dig, it's kind of sad.
Olutakami: The Delvers
Dolphin shifters with the gift of foresight. Their War-Form is a giant Orca. Also they're almost entirely of Asian/Polynesian descent, which works considering that their name is Japanese.

Breed Favors: Aquatic, Echolocation, Fang and Claw (Bite) 1(L), Waterbreath
Breed Bonus: They can ram people for 3 bashing damage, and they're all limbless.
Common Aspects: Aww!!!, Birth Blessing, Culling the Weak, Foretelling, Fortune’s Favor, Keen Senses, Magnificence, Mercy’s Touch, Mindmap, Mindspeech, Pack Bond, Shadow Bond, Size 6, Speed 8, Spirit Sight, Stampede Rush (Water Only), The Wild Cry (Dolphins), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye

No that's not a typo they just randomly have size and speed in their aspect list.

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+3, Sta +3, Man -2, Size 7, Health +5, Speed +6, +2 to Perception Rolls Primal Beast: Str+2, Sta+2, Man-1, Size 6, Health +3, Speed+5, +2 to Perception Rolls

Does your campaign take place exclusively on the water? Will you use the Olutakami? The answer to these questions is the same.

The Riverkin: Forsaking the Land
Animals live in the rivers! That's basically all they say.


Kinno'balo: Bright-Colored Pain
"Hey, people lick poisonous frogs to get hallucinations, right?"
"Yeah"
"Poison Dart Frog Oracles, Boom."
"No, no, they're bullfrogs.. that turn INTO humanoid Poison dart frogs in their war form."
"Duuuude"
"Duuude"
I'm pretty sure I just replicated the process that brought these into being.

Breed Favors: Size 2, Venomous, Truthsight
Breed Bonus: they're even tiner than other tiny folk and get a +4 to dice pools when hiding :wow:
Common Aspects: Aquatic, Darksight, Earthbond, Foretelling, Mimic, Mindspeech, Spirit Animal, Spirit Gift, Spirit Secrets, Spirit Sight, Sweet-Voiced Fiend, Territory Bond, Unsettling Eye, Unspeakable

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Dex+2, Sta +1, Man -5, Size 5, Health +1, Speed +1, +1 to Perception Rolls Primal Beast: Str-2, Sta-2, Man-2, Size 2, Health 4, Speed -2, +2 to Perception Rolls

That's not what Venomous means... also these guys suck. That health calculation is wrong they can probably actually accidentally kill themselves by switching into frog form on a regular basis. In addition to it being ridiculously slow.

Serpentines: Wisdom with Teeth
You know the snake from eden? Eve hosed the snake. Enter the Serpentines.

Mélusinae: The Singing Serpents
Charismatic seductor snakes that have a gift for music. "Their songs spill over with carnal passion and religious fervor," "Are the descendants of Eve’s serpent trying to atone for their progenitor’s misdeeds? Or does a golden road to Hell follow their enchanting song?" Hilariously it says that their voices always carry a slight echo as if they're being constantly auto-tuned, which is apparently sexy. Also their primal form is an 8 foot long golden snake, which is apparently also sexy. And their war-form is a scaled human with a snake head and tail. Somehow also sexy.

Breed Favors: Alarming Aclarity, Fang and Claw (bite)2(L), Hypnotic Allure
Breed Bonus: They must buy two dots in expression, but they gain a free specialty in song. Also their primal form ain't got no limbs.
Common Aspects: Darksight, Earthbond, Keen Sense, Size 6, Speed 8, Spinebite, Spook the Herd, Sweet-Voiced Fiend, Truth Sense, Unnerving Cry, Unsettling Eye, Unspeakable

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+2, Dex+3, Man -4, Size 6, Health +1, Speed +5, +1 to Perception Rolls Primal Beast: Str+2, Dex+4, Man-5, Size 6, Health +1, Speed +9, +2 to Perception Rolls

DO YOU WANT TO gently caress THE SNAKES YET!? Also they screwed up the size/speed again.

The Swarm: Surivor Types
Insect shifters... "Is it the rapid grace of a centipede that shocks us to amazement? Or does some odd glint of envy pick its way across our consciousness when the small survivor darts off to a crevice and disappears? If only human life could be so simple. . . ." DO YOU WANT TO gently caress A BUG YET!?


Mimma Lemuna: The Hungry Darkness

quote:

There is crime, and there is punishment. When a now forgotten king of old Akkad withheld his blessing from the crops, the people starved in droves. Children perished, and elders withered in the beds. Meanwhile, the king and his court gorged themselves on fine wines and honeyed wheat cakes. They never noticed the clicking and skittering of 10,000 little shadow breeds legs, or the hard eyes that gathered until the sun had passed. Nor did the king and his court note the serving girl with equally hard eyes noting each one of them as she fed them succulent dates. When two-score skeletons, stripped as clean as bleached reeds, awaited the morning servants, no one thought to search the darkest corners of the rooms, or find the hard-eyed serving girl whose name no one recalled. And if those servants had, the previous night, heard muffled coughs, as if a fat man or woman were choking on some thick morsel, the servants thought no more about such things. For there is crime, and there is punishment. And sometimes Justice crawls.

So they're a beetle swarm, they don't have a war-form, but they're drat near impossible to kill.

Breed Favors: Fang and Claw, Pack Bond, Swarm Form
Breed Bonus:

quote:

In Primal form, this feral is smaller than Size 1, and can scatter in all directions yet stay connected through her hive-mind bond. The swarm cannot use human manual skills, but ignores Defense when attacking. To attack, the swarm must surge over the opponent and remain in place for at least one turn. Once in place, the shapechanger inflicts one lethal Health point per turn until the shapechanger retreats or is harmed by fire, electricity or some other attack that inflicts equal damage on the target.
Common Aspects: Catwalk, Clamber, Culling the Weak, Darksight, Exoskeleton, Gross Eater, Invisible Marking, Many-Legged, Nine Lives, Pack Bond, Resilient Form, Skin Double, Unspeakable, Venomous, Wallwalking

Form Adjustment: Swarm!
Mental Attributes: Per character
Physical Attributes: Strength 1, Dexterity 5, Stamina 4
Social Attributes: Presence 3, Manipulation 0, Composure per character
Size 5 (of swarm itself), Health 8, Speed 9 (species factor 4 + Dexterity)

You know, RAW there's not actually a way to inflict their venom on anyone anyway. But these guys seem broken. Unless you have fire or electricity, which will probably still hurt the guy they're attacking. They just get to kill a dude no questions asked.

Taurae: Bearers of Time
Bovine Shifters, but you know what? We don't get Minotaurs. Instead we get more native exceptionalism.

Yumni: Tornado Walkers

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Loud is the drum that brings passion. Humbling is the dance that challenges fire. So it is with the Yumni. Native Americans all, they are Bison’s blood-inheritance. By heritage, Tornado Walkers are usually only born to Kiowa, Aisca or Dakota tribe; by legend, Yumni shoulder the weight of the wind. Theirs are the hooves that pound down the rock so it can be carved into rivers by the floods. Given sacred purpose to serve both the land and the air, Yumni balance carefully the mysteries bestowed on them.
Yumni are often handsome, but never classically beautiful. Male or female, human- or sometimes animal-born, these folk are all treated as holy protectors. When a child or calf is born with the mark — a white streak down the left side — she is taken from her birth-parents and reared by a shaman until it is known whether or not the Changing Gift will manifest. This white streak stays with her in all forms. It is believed to be smoke that rose when the White Calf Woman brought magic to her people. Writhing silver
white toward the stars, it is the very breath of Grandfather Mystery.
Seriously how many "Mysterious Native-American Only" breeds have we gotten? Almost one per grouping so far. and they can apparently be born as bison as well as humans, that's not come up before.

Breed Favors: Fang and Claw (horns)3(L), (trample) 3(B), Natural Armor 3/2
Breed Bonus: They project a sacred aura at all times that give them two automatic successes in social rolls with native American mystics.
Common Aspects: Alarming Alacrity, Birth Blessing, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Foretelling, Hybrid Forms, Leap, Magnificence, Mercy’s Touch, Nine Lives, Pack Bond, Size 10, Spirit Animal, Spirit Gift, Spirit Sight, Spook the Herd, Stampede Rush, Territory Bond, Tell (white hair or fur), Totem Guardian (Buffalo or White-Bison Woman), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye, Warrior’s Restoration

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+3, Sta+4, Man -2, Size 6, Health +5, Speed +3Primal Beast: Str+3, Sta+4, Size 10, Health +9, Speed +6

With that we're finally done with the changing breeds.



Which means it's time for the Sample Character Bonus Round!
I'm just going to be quoting the more choice bits from these backgrounds, they're all insufferable assholes but I just want to point out how these people think beast society is run.

Felipe Miguel Santiago Bandaris, “Keeper of the Family Crest”
Equestri Root-Weaver
Note: he's Equestri, he's not one of the other two centaur breeds, and his form statistics don't match up eith either of theirs. So he's a completely separate splat that isn't described anywhere in this book.

quote:

At first, the young Felipe believed that his ancestors shared the blood of the old Spanish royal family. On his 16th birthday, his grandfather awoke in Felipe the dormant potential of his kingly blood. On the pretext of having the boy assist with the midnight birth of a foal, the elder Bandaris summoned Felipe to the birthing stable. Once the boy arrived, the old man shoved him into a stall and followed him inside, a heavy training whip coiled in his hand. Without a word of explanation, Felipe’s once-kindly grandfather lashed him with the whip, driving the panicked boy from one end of the large stall to the other, giving him no rest from the relentless swish and crack of the whip.
Felipe tried to protect himself. His grandfather (who had obviously gone mad) only directed the whip to areas the boy could not protect. Then Felipe felt a stinging slash sharper than the others: he felt hot sticky wetness trickle down his arm from where the whip had broken the skin. A voice within him said, This is the blood of kings. Be now a king, and Felipe felt something inside give way as his battered body twisted and swelled, his hands hardening into hooves, his body growing larger and more powerful. With an angry snort, he reared up on his hind legs and batted the air just inches from his grandfather’s face with his fore hooves. His grandfather dropped the whip and fell to his knees.
“The blood of the Bandaris Andalusians runs true. We have an heir!”
Aren't Regencies fun?

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As an added perk to his position, Felipe enjoys the droit de seigneur, or “lord’s right” among the residents of the villages adjoining the Bandaris farm and among the young mares in the family’s herd. Several children in the towns of La Palla and Sangrillo bear a distinct resemblance to Felipe. Should any of them show a kinship with the family Gift, the lucky ones will find themselves literally saddled with a new family, new responsibilities and the searing inner fire that marks the bloodline of the mighty Andalusians and their human counterparts.
loving hell.


Copperhead McCain
Mélusinae Wind Dancer

quote:

William had just begun to learn to play the saxophone that became his signature when an especially nasty schoolyard fight revealed his literally venomous nature. He bit a boy, who later died. Just before the cops picked William up, his inventive schoolmates nicknamed him “Copperhead” for the deed, his skin tone and the unusually long canine teeth he’d bitten the boy with. On William’s way to prison, he suffered his First Change in a cell, turned into a snake and slithered free. His parents never heard him come home, but they noticed the missing clothes and sax. Wisely, Mom and Pop McCain didn’t say a word.
Years passed in a blur of blues. Young William worked hard, shook out some rough deals and earned a place in the traveling blues scene. Folks commented often on his pearly skin and prominent teeth. He learned never to smile, and let the sax speak in his place. Women came and went: the Jewish writer from the Bronx, the radical sistah from Watts, the slinky Asian chick with a fondness for ropes . . . Copperhead let his fingers, sax and tongue do the talking, then split when he heard hissing in the back of his mind.
Hurr Hurr a snake who's good with his tongue. Again, he doesn't seem to be doing anything to actually advance the cause of Nature.

This is just a naked woman with some really bad grooming habits.
Fawn Richards
Flidaisin Heart Ripper

quote:

Rennie and his boys were the same age as Fawn. She’d known them since childhood, and detested them entirely. When Rennie got his first gun, he took it to the woods and . . . well, the carnage spoke for itself. No huntsman, Rennie liked to kill poo poo. One evening, Fawn found their handiwork, still alive and badly suffering. A deer — a large female, rich with child. She’d been an illegal target, but that hadn’t stopped the boys. When Fawn found the doe, she hung tangled in barbed wire, shot to bits but still alive. The girl’s hands tattered as she worked to free the deer. Sure, it was heroic, but the effort was wasted. Before the deer died, though, she locked eyes with the girl and breathed her wild breath into Fawn’s face. Something passed between them then. Even now, Fawn couldn’t tell you what or why, and she wouldn’t if you asked her. In blood and breath, they’d shared a secret.
A day later, Fawn awoke deep in the woods, naked and covered in scratches and dirt. It took her another day to get home, with clever efforts to remain unseen. The skills she’d sharpened as a childhood sneak served her well from that point onward. It didn’t take long to discover her new talents; who could resist a cute little fawn like her? It didn’t take long, either, for her to lead poor Rennie off the edge of a cliff. Now she’s after the other boys, too . . . and any hunter she can find. Girls are clever, and deer are quick. Fawn is both — and bloody-minded, too. These days, she’s a predator who looks like prey. For fun, she hunts the sportsmen. With traps, deceptions, fast kicks and other “accidents,” she sends them to slow and nasty deaths. No, no one ever fears the quiet ones. But in Fawn’s case, perhaps they should.
3edgy5u! This is such a dumb and overdone concept.


Sovah Volente
Strigori Wind-Dancer

quote:

Sovah followed her mother to a tall, walk-in enclosure.“We’ll have to wait a few minutes before he shows himself,” her mother said. “He’s probably seen you from a distance, but he’s not used to your closeness.” She sat on the ground and motioned Sovah to take a place at her side. Mystified and still resentful, the girl obeyed. “You know, you weren’t always an only child,” Sovah’s mother said. “Your brother Kyle was eight years older than you. Like you, he was smart and dreamed of big things. We took him with us on a trip to Chicago when he was ten because he begged us to take him to see the Sears Tower and the other skyscrapers. He loved heights. . .” She fell silent.
“That night, as we crossed the hotel lobby on the way to our room, Kyle discovered the family gift early, and suddenly,” she said. “It frightened him so much that he got away from your father and me. Kyle made it as far as the revolving doors and got trapped inside . . .” She paused, looked over her shoulder and smiled, holding out her arm, where a leather arm-guard shielded her skin.
“Here he is now,” she said, as a large golden eagle zigzagged crazily down from a foliage-filled corner of the enclosure to rest on the woman’s forearm. Sovah had seen many eagles at the habitat, but this one was . . . different.
“Sovah,” her mother said, “this is Kyle, your brother. One day, probably soon, you will discover our gift for yourself.”
A few nights later, Sovah took her maiden flight as a great snowy owl. Later, she met her mother in her falcon form and her father as a great horned owl. Sovah studied at a local college and got a degree in ornithology. Now she joins her father in working with the problem birds, and shows a real talent for bird rehabilitation. She has grown close to her brother, though he rarely flies at night and she is exclusively nocturnal. Once she asked him to show her his human shape, and he agreed.
She never asked him again.
The gently caress does any of that mean. Also why the hell is she Strigori? The only reason she is is because you left no other options for a bird species to be because she's not a war profiteer, corvid, or racist sterotype.


Old Man Possum
Wampathemwa Den Warder

quote:

Possums may be ugly as adults, but as babies, they rank right next to kittens and puppies on the cute scale, with big, bright eyes, tiny faces, pointed pixie noses and round chubby bodies. The people who run possums down with their cars don’t care about that, though. Big or little, the critter’s a possum, and no one brakes for possum. That’s what the man from Richmond in his fancy canary yellow Passat thought as his headlights caught the familiar outline of a possum — a halfgrown one — making its way slowly across the road. He lined the critter up and gunned his engine. He felt the slight bump under his left front tire that told him he’d gotten the creature square. He smiled in his rearview mirror, complimented himself on his deadly aim and focused again on the road ahead — and tried to swerve out of the way of what must have been the biggest possum in the world, standing more than five feet tall and as broad as a brick wall.
He doesn’t remember much after that except that his car careened over the side of the twisty mountain road, leaving him behind about halfway down the slope. The car landed in the gorge, one more scrap for trees to grow on; he lay where he fell, unable to move, for what seemed like days until help came. Now, confined to a wheelchair, he no longer drives. Instead, he sits outside the general store in Logan’s Holler, not far from the crash site, and tells his story to anyone who’ll listen. Some people do, and nothing happens to ’em. Some people don’t, and they invariably meet up with Old Man Possum. Few of ’em walk away.
Finally, someone who actually does what the book says he should be doing.

He's still a loving terrible character.


Rucksack Mary
Qualm'a ni Sun-Chaster

quote:

On the road, good company is a blessing — especially for folks with the Changing Blood. And so, when a ragged assortment of backpackers appears deep in the mountains or forests, full of song and shots of good booze, who’s gonna complain? Rucksack Mary’s band of rovers has been wandering in various configurations for the better part of a decade. Folks who give ’em a ride or grab a spot by their fire are treated to raucous stories and a noseful of hiker-musk. Those who meet ’em in emergencies find a helpful bunch of hands. And those who meet ’em doing something wrong or stupid . . . well, those folks don’t often meet anyone else again.
A freckle-faced malcontent with bare feet and elfin smiles, Rucksack Mary is the heart of this motley bunch. She hit the road last decade and hasn’t called anywhere “home” since. Driven by a restless itch, she left home at 16 with the rucksack she still wears. Hiking on the Appalachian Trail, she met up with a dude called “Bear.” That name held more truth than poetry, and the two became fast friends. Later, when her own Change overtook her, Bear helped her through the Storm and set her right about the Gift. Her new feline temperament, however, clashed with Bear’s breed. The two fought bitterly one night, and he left her in the woods. She hasn’t seen him since then, but Mary’s never stopped looking, or wanting to apologize for the scars she left across his face.
In the years since, Mary’s been wandering: Europe, Asia, India, all Americas, even parts of Africa. A year in Australia brought her some new mates. Two of ’em roam with her to this day. Mary’s infectious laugh, good looks and head full of tales make her a natural hiking buddy, and she grows a tribe of “protectors” wherever she goes. These days, that band counts Hyper, Mandrill, Crash and Steve-Steve as its core. Each one bears the Changing Gift, and they’re not shy about sharing it when they must. Mary and her bunch are wanderers, not warriors. Even so, there’s times when a set of claws or a sharp beak sets things right.
Hyper, Mandrill, Crash, and Steve-Steve...

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Restless in the ways a cougar gets, Mary never sets down roots. She’ll snuggle close to anyone who smells right, but deep down she misses Bear. Every so often, she’ll catch his scent, or find a footprint in moist ground. He’s there, she knows, but won’t come out. Is it love he’s after, or revenge? In either case, Mary wishes he’d just get it over with. Her Aussie lover Crash (a falcon with a curious taste for walking) has seen Bear himself, but isn’t talking. It’s hard to keep secrets by firelight, but birds are better than most folks at such things. In the meantime, Mary’s walking, making friends wherever she goes. There’s a stone in her heart that won’t dislodge, but maybe that’s just the price of the road.
:nallears:

And with that, this book is finally done. And I'd like to say we're done with Brucato, but he's been brought back to work on the 20th anniversary changeling book, and it's already shaping up to have his unique flavor of writing. I won't be covering that though. That can be someone else's grenade to jump on. I've got blacker pastures to graze.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Why the hell would anyone hire this author ever again for anything!? :psyduck:

A book like Changing Breeds should be career ender.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


To make a long story short: the WoD has a lot of terrible, terrible fans.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Thank you for suffering for our sins, Kurieg. You've done God's work.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

Copperhead there is literally the only interesting character in the book. Bluesman snake guy! Sure. Why not.

Doresh
Jan 7, 2015

Kurieg posted:


Whiskey Croc: The Beast in your Belly
Alcoholic sewer crocodiles. Apparently at some point before their first change, they run away from home and instinctually drink themselves into a stupor in the slimiest sewer they can find. How the gently caress did these guys develop naturally?


Breed Favors: Darksight, Fang and Claw (bite) 3(L)/(rake)1(L), Natural Armor 4/3
Breed Bonus:They recieve the Eidetic Memory merit for free, but in all forms they reek of alcohol and sewage.
Common Aspects:Blend In, Carnivore’s Puissance, Culling the Weak, Earthbond, Extra Limb (Tail — attacks only), Gross Eater, Mercy’s Touch, Nine Lives, Razorskin (Broken Glass Shards), Size 6, Spinebite, Stash, Tell (Alcohol Stench, Drunken Mannerisms), Truth Sense, Unsettling Eye

Form Adjustments: War-Beast:Str+4, Sta +4, Man -4, Size 7, Health +6, Speed +3 Primal Beast: Str+3, Sta+4, Man-4, Size 6, Health +5, Speed+3

I feel we've rather heavily departed from the book's original presence. How are these guys in any way serving nature by literally living in poo poo? Also they actually have glass shards for skin, how does that work? Regardless they're combat monsters, 3L bite and 4/3 armor with 4 stamina? Get bit on everyone else.

Not only don't they make any kind of sense in the context of this setting, but it also makes little sense for a reptile to shun the sun.

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As an added perk to his position, Felipe enjoys the droit de seigneur, or “lord’s right” among the residents of the villages adjoining the Bandaris farm and among the young mares in the family’s herd. Several children in the towns of La Palla and Sangrillo bear a distinct resemblance to Felipe. Should any of them show a kinship with the family Gift, the lucky ones will find themselves literally saddled with a new family, new responsibilities and the searing inner fire that marks the bloodline of the mighty Andalusians and their human counterparts.

Wat :v:


Someone give her a hamburger. I think she needs it o_O

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Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Was Brucato hired for Changeling 20? I hadn't heard of that previously.

He did write the majority of Mage 20, though.

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