Ravane posted:

Didn't Crysis have decent multiplayer though?

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Basically the appeal is supposed to be that you can disable someone's ship, EVA over, blow open their hatch and then board and take over their ship. Of course it's such a janky game that it's going to be complete poo poo and not fun at all.

Young Freud posted:

How can you even do this when the pilot is immune to any attacks save blowing up the ship?

1stGear posted:

Possibly the worst thing posted in this thread, including all the stuff about Star Citizen.

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The Problem

The Hull E has 93,000 SCU of hauling capacity, ~4000x that of a starter hauler like the Aurora CL's 23 SCU. Effectively this huge disparity in earning capacity makes these two promises from CIG incompatible:
A casual gamer can earn a connie in a couple months (~60 hrs)
Ships will be worth ~3x their pledge value in the PU

If it takes 60 hrs to earn (cheapest) connie using aurora cl (23 scu):
- connie is worth 3x 150k UEC in PU
- earning capacity for aurora cl is:
450k UEC / 60 hrs = 7.5k UEC/h

Assuming same earning capacity per SCU (keeping in mind that economies of scale generally favour larger operations), a power gamer with Hull E (98304 SCU) has earning capacity:
(98304 / 23) * 7500 = ~32M UEC/h
Let's say power gamer values their time at $3/h, their exchange rate for UEC on the grey/black market will be:
32M/3 = 10.7M UEC to the dollar

Which is 10,000x cheaper than CIG's price for UEC.

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30 hours to earn an aurora based at 30$ right now. I don't really care about UEC or how ship prices might change, as we have no real information on that. But I do think that the economy might be approachable by asking how much time a new player has to spend to get to the 50-60$ ship tier.

I then take into account travel time for one cargo run, how valuable one cargo unit is and how many people you need for a secure operation.

I don't really feel like my excel sheet is good enough to post here, but basically if one aurora with 10 SCU (the real value is 12.8, but I rounded down, for all ships) is able to earn 30$ within 30 hours, and when it takes 0.5 hours to complete one typical cargo run with this aurora, then it would take 60 cargo runs at 0.5$ value per cargo run and 0.05$ value per SCU.

From here you can set numbers for other ships, for example the Hull E. In my calculations I set the values for the Hull E so that it takes 3 hours for a typical cargo run (x6), and transports bulk cargo at 0.005$/SCU (x0.10) and has to split the profit between 10 people, which I assumed to be necessary for a secure operation.

In that case, the Hull E transports 95000 SCU (rounded down) at 0.005$/SCU and would earn you 475$ with one (3h long) cargo run, and thus 158,3$ per hour, or about 15$ per hour per person, if you take some other costs such as repairs and an equal split for 10 people into account.

Since we are talking about total profit from the get-go, running costs are not taken into account.

15$ per hour would mean that you need about 83 hours to earn the 1250$ Idris at today prices. This is not that much if you take into account that you will only want to buy such a monster with a group. If those 10 people pool all their profits together, it only takes 8,3 hours with one Hull E (at today prices).

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Adding up the difference in profitability in the assumptions you made, that would make the Hull E 600x less profitable per SCU than an aurora. That goes against how economies of scale work in the real world, and ignores things like expected greater fuel efficiency & maintenance costs (per SCU) for large dedicated haulers. Also, I would expect the "hired help" to be paid a fixed wage and not be splitting the profits of the cargo, meaning I don't think splitting the entirety of the profit 10 ways is a realistic way of modeling how this will work in-game.

Having said all that, if they want to introduce a (perhaps unreasonably high) 600x nerf to efficiency of Hull E hauls, we'd still be looking at a ~17x devaluation in the currency, meaning connies are then valued at $9 on the black market instead of the expected $150-$450 (depending on how much you read into Chris's statement).

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1) Economics of scale is not a rule, it is a specific case that does not apply always, nor does economics of scale mean that every single factor within one company is more efficient.

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Back to Star Citizen: We have no idea about maintenance cost, and fuel efficiency is likely to be a factor of maybe 0.9 to 0.8, so indeed very useful, but not really that important in the greater picture.

If you hire escorts and crew of a Hull E, I would except either NPCs - which we know nothing about in terms of wages - or players.

These players are not idiots who take tiny wages, but players who will want a fair split of the profit.

Even if the owner of the Hull would earn 20 or 40 percent of the profit instead of just 10, the wages for players and NPCs are going to be a significant number simply because of how many you will likely need to protect such a huge target.

KiddieGrinder posted:

Interesting choice of words from Eurogamer.

"The 50 most exciting games of 2016"

Ravane posted:

Didn't Crysis have decent multiplayer though?

EminusSleepus posted:

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

it did. crysis 1 and warhead had 16v16 multiplayer with land and air vehicles. it was more c&c renegade style than battlefield.

so its pretty funny that the game cant even handle 16 players now.

KiddieGrinder posted:

Interesting choice of words from Eurogamer.

"The 50 most exciting games of 2016"

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

it did. crysis 1 and warhead had 16v16 multiplayer with land and air vehicles. it was more c&c renegade style than battlefield.

so its pretty funny that the game cant even handle 16 players now.

EminusSleepus posted:

it is in the scale of million kilometers with fidely-poo poo that CryEngine is not built for, it is good for an island size map/location also it is not designed for MMO's which SC is supposed to be. Squardron 42 is ok for CryEngine since that one will not rely heavily on netcode

Mirificus posted:

Rajafa Mitswuey stumbled across Info Redux's Let’s take apart this “Letter” that Chris Roberts wrote to the Escapist.

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

You would think I would know this, but...they are still going? It would be funny if not so sad.

Mirificus posted:

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

I just can't even. I'm now at the site, watching the poo poo show up is just amusing as hell.

Bait and Swatch posted:

Now Derek Smart has gotten to Eurogamer! How can he have the time to be so many alts on forums everywhere while being all journalists critical of star citizen?

Romes128 posted:

I almost peed myself when he started defending amd and madkatz cause they're reputable companies with good products who totally don't sell out for cash. Lol.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

this healing tonic I bought from the forthright man in the wagon is surely not a scam, else the bottle would be empty and not filled with the transparent liquid you see before you.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

this healing tonic I bought from the forthright man in the wagon is surely not a scam, else the bottle would be empty and not filled with the transparent liquid you see before you.