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Forum Joe posted:I disagree. Young footy players are taught not to question club management. To disclose to the ASADA against the direct instructions of club management would cause a player to get 'rested' a bit. Plus it's too much to expect young players to step out on a limb and go against club culture when no one else is. That is, until a precedent has been set. I think that this case has set a precedent that will ensure in the future young players do take more responsibility for following "club culture". That might be a good excuse for young players. What about the senior players going along with it all?
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If Fev signs up for the Bombers I am buying a membership. You can toxx that. EDIT: Did some reading, apparently Crowley is not on Dodoro's shortlist of 50. But guess who is! 
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Jan 13, 2016 08:43
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If your club tells you not to reveal their supplements program to the Australian Sports Anti Doping Authority that should be a pretty big red flag. Hey mate, mind carrying this package with you to Bali for me? Postage fees are a killer. If customs ask don't tell them about it.
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Jan 13, 2016 09:07
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Solemn Sloth posted:If your club tells you not to reveal their supplements program to the Australian Sports Anti Doping Authority that should be a pretty big red flag. Pretty much.
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Jan 13, 2016 09:20
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RIP Pav http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-01-13/pavlich-to-relinquish-captaincy bigis fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Jan 13, 2016 09:34
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quote:"This club [Essendon], unlike the Crows, cooperated fully – they actually self-reported – they came to us," he said. Steaming poo poo on the face of football, Andrew Demetriou, explaining why the Crows breaking the third party payments rules was much worse than Essendon running a systematic doping program.
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Jan 13, 2016 17:02
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Solemn Sloth posted:If your club tells you not to reveal their supplements program to the Australian Sports Anti Doping Authority that should be a pretty big red flag. That is the one question I really want to know about - how the club convinced the players not to say anything. I absolutely cannot believe it was all some big conspiracy and that they all knew about it. I believe the players believed what was being done was ok. But how did they get 34 people to not say a word. Some loving voodoo poo poo there. It's baffling because, from the players point of view it seems, they were taking Thymosin, which they were told was legal (which would explain why when Crameri and his Mum looked at it they found the same thing). Of course they didn't know it was something else which hadn't even been used on humans before, so they thought it was legal. So ... I just don't get how the club sold it to them that even though it's legal, just, you know, don't tell anyone about it. Some serious Stockholm syndrome stuff must have been going on. And the more and more I think about it, just, how the gently caress is Dank not in a prison cell? "Let's test it on some players", just ... gently caress that gently caress off.
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Jan 13, 2016 17:49
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thepokey posted:That is the one question I really want to know about - how the club convinced the players not to say anything. I absolutely cannot believe it was all some big conspiracy and that they all knew about it. I believe the players believed what was being done was ok. But how did they get 34 people to not say a word. Some loving voodoo poo poo there. It's baffling because, from the players point of view it seems, they were taking Thymosin, which they were told was legal (which would explain why when Crameri and his Mum looked at it they found the same thing). Of course they didn't know it was something else which hadn't even been used on humans before, so they thought it was legal. So ... I just don't get how the club sold it to them that even though it's legal, just, you know, don't tell anyone about it. Some serious Stockholm syndrome stuff must have been going on. More like 44 players considering they would all have known about it.
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Jan 13, 2016 18:15
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DONS AND DON’TS Restrictions and approved behaviour for the banned Essendon 34 in season 2016 CAN Attend AFL and other football games Talk to players and coaches from their teams on a social level Train away from their clubs with other banned players Work in the media at AFL games CAN’T Play football at any organised level Enter club rooms at grounds on match day Enter their club’s premises Train under club-devised programs Under strict World Anti-Doping Agency rules any violation would effectively take their 2016 season ban back to day one. http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...fcfb731270007c5
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Jan 13, 2016 19:31
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Well the Essendon Basketball Team looks like they're gonna have a good season.
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realbez posted:CAN’T That's ok then, they can still play for us this year so long as they play like we did against St Kilda
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Jan 13, 2016 20:50
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realbez posted:Talk to players and coaches from their teams on a social level There is no way the a club devised training program doesn't filter it's way through to the players via social channels. "Woosha has us doing X, Y & Z. Imagine what kinda nick you'd come back in if you were doing the same down the park with the boys" *winks furiously*
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Jan 13, 2016 22:15
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Got around to watching the special episode of 360 finally. Gerard Whateley, who is usually pretty down to earth, seemed to reckon the Bombers would be amazingly lucky to escape with as low as $17M in player settlements($500k per player), and should be expecting far far higher.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Got around to watching the special episode of 360 finally. Gerard Whateley, who is usually pretty down to earth, seemed to reckon the Bombers would be amazingly lucky to escape with as low as $17M in player settlements($500k per player), and should be expecting far far higher. Yeah, if their insurance isn't good then the payouts could gently caress the club really hard. Until the AFL fronts them the money anyway. Here's an article on possible top up players: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-14/which-topup-players-could-the-bombers-turn-to quote:big-bodied midfielders
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Jan 14, 2016 00:57
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They just described James Kelly as a running mid lol
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Jan 14, 2016 01:06
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A good move, looks like Mundy or Cow Dude will get the job when the team votes. I'd forgotten about Duffield (so did Lyon), he'd be a good pickup.
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hiddenmovement posted:They just described James Kelly as a running mid lol Yeah, I'd imagine him for the backline, but sure as heck not a running mid
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Jan 14, 2016 02:24
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Jamar would be a really really good pickup for them if he's stayed in shape.
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Jan 14, 2016 02:49
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apparently zaharakis was the only essendon player to opt out of the supplements program in 2012... because he doesnt like needles. dodged a bullet there
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Jan 14, 2016 03:29
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If the Dons pick up Tom Simpkin then I'll be annoyed because I was really hoping to see him kill people at Sandy this year.
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Jan 14, 2016 04:37
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snaeksikn posted:apparently zaharakis was the only essendon player to opt out of the supplements program in 2012... because he doesnt like needles. Yeah I don't buy that excuse at all. I think that's what he came up with after the fact to avoid saying "I thought it was dodgy af" and thus implicating his teammates
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Solemn Sloth posted:Yeah I don't buy that excuse at all. I think that's what he came up with after the fact to avoid saying "I thought it was dodgy af" and thus implicating his teammates My sister in law gets so anxious about needles she passes out, he could have totally opted out because of a fear of needles.
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snaeksikn posted:apparently zaharakis was the only essendon player to opt out of the supplements program in 2012... because he doesnt like needles. How is he not guilty of facilitating the program though? If the crux of the decision is that it was the intent to take peds and the coverup that followed then how is Zaharakis exempt if he knew details of the program and didnt tell?
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Jan 14, 2016 06:26
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Robodog posted:My sister in law gets so anxious about needles she passes out, he could have totally opted out because of a fear of needles. Wouldn't have made it this far if he was that averse to being jabbed.
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Nutsngum posted:How is he not guilty of facilitating the program though? If the crux of the decision is that it was the intent to take peds and the coverup that followed then how is Zaharakis exempt if he knew details of the program and didnt tell? It's about the individual, not the group. If you get an injection and fail to declare it, you are liable. Zaharakis had nothing to declare because he refused the injections. He's cool.
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Jan 14, 2016 07:21
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Solemn Sloth posted:Wouldn't have made it this far if he was that averse to being jabbed. To be fair, I have a huge aversion to needles to, to the point I've just neglected to get blood tests done which I probably should have. It's irrational but I can believe it would be enough to absolutely put your foot down and refuse to be part of it. Especially if you know it's going to be an ongoing thing as opposed to a once off.
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snaeksikn posted:apparently zaharakis was the only essendon player to opt out of the supplements program in 2012... because he doesnt like needles. Would've he been going through cancer treatment during that time?
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Jan 14, 2016 07:40
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thepokey posted:To be fair, I have a huge aversion to needles to, to the point I've just neglected to get blood tests done which I probably should have. It's irrational but I can believe it would be enough to absolutely put your foot down and refuse to be part of it. Especially if you know it's going to be an ongoing thing as opposed to a once off. I get that. I have the same. My sister used to have the same, then she had a complicated pregnancy which necessitated lots and lots of needles and cannulae. I just don't cop that a pro footballer today can make it that far while maintaining that level of aversion to needles unless they're a freak like Ablett who is so skilled that you put up with any demands he makes.
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You Am I posted:Would've he been going through cancer treatment during that time? I don't think Zaharakis had cancer?
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Yeah, my sympathy for the players has lessened a little after knowing they lied to teh authorities. True they are dumb arse footballers, (young ones at that), that are used to being told what to do by their club. But when the club says "Hey, don't tell anyone about what we are injecting you with, not even on the forms that you legally have to." it is a giant red flag. Add to that how insanely cartoonishly evil that Dank has turned out to be, ("let's just test some players" ... how in the name of gently caress is this man allowed near medicine?). The punishment is harsh for the players, but it kinda has to be. Nobody wants a repeat of this saga, or of any parts of it, ever again. I can't see any club or any player repeating the mistakes that have been made. The club has been punished, both officially and unofficially by having it's name dragged through the mud for the last 3 years. The players have been punished, (harshly perhaps, but they are somewhat liable). But there is, and should be light at the end of the tunnel, clubs have bounced back from worse, and a lot of the people responsible are no longer there. So soon enough we will all be able to get back to hating Essendon for the right reasons.
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Jan 14, 2016 07:48
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One thing which struck me watching 360, is Robinson and even McLachlan talking about how the culture of footy clubs is that players are expected not to question authority, but there was no suggestion that hey, maybe that's something we need to look at changing.
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Jan 14, 2016 07:53
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Solemn Sloth posted:I don't think Zaharakis had cancer? Ah poo poo, got him confused with Adam Ramanauskas
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Solemn Sloth posted:One thing which struck me watching 360, is Robinson and even McLachlan talking about how the culture of footy clubs is that players are expected not to question authority, but there was no suggestion that hey, maybe that's something we need to look at changing. The main thing that struck me from that interview is just how bad Robbo is at asking questions in interviews. He's so bad I have no idea why they let him do it. I love watching Gerrard as Robbo attempts to ask a question.
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Periphery posted:The main thing that struck me from that interview is just how bad Robbo is at asking questions in interviews. He's so bad I have no idea why they let him do it. I love watching Gerrard as Robbo attempts to ask a question. It's like he gets a few words into a question and then just sort of drops his head and slurs his words and mumbles a bit and then goes "ugh god I dunno" and then tries to salvage the question. I agree with a lot of his sentiments, but his application of being able to put his point forward and to ask questions is just far below what the standard of a journalist should be. Then again, Herald Sun made him their chief footy journalist so go figure. And I guess with Zaka, I feel i have little choice but to believe him because I just know if I were told of a proposed outline of needing X number of needles this yearn I would absolutely refuse. Unless getting a needle is in some way unavoidable I'd go to extreme lengths to avoid it. I remember ripping up vaccination consent forms from school so my parents never saw them and then telling the school that my parents never signed it as they were having me immunised privately so that neither party knew. I assume he got this far because he had the needles which were absolutely necessary but I think they all knew this wasn't life or death having them so anyone with that level of fear would absolutely not do it. But yeah, he dodged a massive bullet.
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Guess I picked a good few days to be out of internet range. Oh well. I'm torn between buying a membership to help out the club or just forget about footy for 12 months (apart from when a bunch of kids and VFL top-ups overruns Carlton). Hopefully all our listed players decide to come back to the Bombers in 2017.
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BrigadierSensible posted:
They probably said something closer to "Nah you don't have to declare those, they're fine."
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Chairchucker posted:They probably said something closer to "Nah you don't have to declare those, they're fine." If only ASADA ran annual compulsory seminars where they detail their processes, like what is to be put on these forms.
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thepokey posted:To be fair, I have a huge aversion to needles to, to the point I've just neglected to get blood tests done which I probably should have. It's irrational but I can believe it would be enough to absolutely put your foot down and refuse to be part of it. Especially if you know it's going to be an ongoing thing as opposed to a once off. thepokey posted:It's like he gets a few words into a question and then just sort of drops his head and slurs his words and mumbles a bit and then goes "ugh god I dunno" and then tries to salvage the question. I agree with a lot of his sentiments, but his application of being able to put his point forward and to ask questions is just far below what the standard of a journalist should be. Then again, Herald Sun made him their chief footy journalist so go figure. You Am I posted:Ah poo poo, got him confused with Adam Ramanauskas
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hiddenmovement posted:It's about the individual, not the group. If you get an injection and fail to declare it, you are liable. Zaharakis had nothing to declare because he refused the injections. He's cool. This really goes to show that the WADA code is woefully inadequate to policing team based issues. The ones actually running it will basically get off. glasnost toyboy posted:If only ASADA ran annual compulsory seminars where they detail their processes, like what is to be put on these forms. Im begining to think that the information provided and presented might be woefully inadequate.
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Nutsngum posted:Im begining to think that the information provided and presented might be woefully inadequate. Other athletes don't seem to have any trouble with it. Footballers get more support for this, and other things, via their union than most other Australian athletes could ever dream of receiving.
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