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Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Samizdata posted:

I thought I had platinum until all these messages started showing up. I originally thought it was a big joke, but apparently not?

:spergin:

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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6239110/#Comment_6239110


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6239451/#Comment_6239451

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

:pgabz:

mrking
May 27, 2006

There's No Limit To What We Can't Accomplish



Gilganixon posted:

about space armour again and I apologise for inflicting one of my drawings on this thread but this is how I think the stuff should look roughly



No problem with a blast visor ora hard helmet because you have to protect that noggin, but you're mostly going to want to keep decent visibility except in an emergency. The suit is soft because the last thing you want is bits of shrapnel whizzing around your space ship every time you clip through a door, and so that you can sit down at the controls of a plane without having to take it off. also unless people are throwing swords at you in space you probably want your armour to absorb or reflect impacts - so if you're fighting laser dudes make it out of a shiny material or otherwise stuff it with kevlar, i don't know or care. If you want hard plating you could velcro/tie/zip it on or use a personal shield since it's the future.

Anyway it would have been easy to do literally anything more interesting than what they went with is my point.
Keep posting art, doodles, sketches and songs with lyrical changes are the best things to have come out of this thread IMO. also on personal level I would like to see more spacemen farting out drones.

fuzzknot posted:

I dunno; people were talking about Stimpires and STEM or something and I didn't know what it meant, so I Googled "stim" and found the Wikipedia article on the autistic behavior called stimming which is apparently perfectly demonstrated in that gif of Chris Roberts, which incidentally was also the first gif of Chris Roberts I found.

edit: This isn't in any way implied to mock autistic people nor to imply that Chris Roberts is autistic. I just think it's ludicrous that the head of a $100 million company doesn't know how to behave on camera.

You could probably use the Wing Commander movie to extrapolate how Chris Roberts expects people to behave on camera.....

fuzzknot
Mar 23, 2009

Yip yip yip yip yip

Marching Powder posted:

this thread is incredible. it's got a aerospace engineer with billion+ dollar thousand man development experience saying 'poo poo's hosed' and there is still handwaving with guys going 'oh that makes sense why you think that way this is experimental not hard science it's closer to directing a film that cr has experience in'.

OMFG. That's another thing that I can flip the gently caress out about.

I have a degree--a REAL degree--in film production. I concentrated on audio, not directing, but gently caress it. My point is that all the lovely film student work I was involved in was better than the loving Wing Commander movie which was somehow allowed to be made.

I want to rage out more about this, but just gently caress it. There's no point.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Gilganixon posted:

about space armour again and I apologise for inflicting one of my drawings on this thread but this is how I think the stuff should look roughly



No problem with a blast visor ora hard helmet because you have to protect that noggin, but you're mostly going to want to keep decent visibility except in an emergency.

Superior helmet designs...




With the Halo EVA helmet, I'd assume that whatever they're building the visor out of is probably not glass or plexiglass. Given it's the future, it could probably easily enough be transparent steel metamaterial. And you could probably make a secondary visor out of something that can reduce light like Transitions lenses so to keep the glare from lights or nearby stars out of your eyes.

Gilganixon posted:

The suit is soft because the last thing you want is bits of shrapnel whizzing around your space ship every time you clip through a door, and so that you can sit down at the controls of a plane without having to take it off. also unless people are throwing swords at you in space you probably want your armour to absorb or reflect impacts - so if you're fighting laser dudes make it out of a shiny material or otherwise stuff it with kevlar, i don't know or care. If you want hard plating you could velcro/tie/zip it on or use a personal shield since it's the future.

Anyway it would have been easy to do literally anything more interesting than what they went with is my point.

It's good that you mention reflective material for lasers, but almost everything should at least be in anti-flash white, if not for reducing the effectiveness of lasers, but also for environmental reasons, since you want to reduce the amount of absorbed thermal radiation from stars and the like.

fuzzknot
Mar 23, 2009

Yip yip yip yip yip
. . . Uh, that said, I'm still the person who ripped a Band-Aid off this evening (I'm STILL bleeding after that incident last week where I wiped out in front of Bootcha's parents) and somehow managed to rip my skin off with the Band-Aid and am now bleeding in two places, so, you know. I may not be the best judge of incompetent here.

edit: I take it back. My klutzy incidents filmed live would still be more entertaining than that POS. Admittedly, I've only seen glimpses (Bootcha tried to make me watch the whole thing, but I wouldn't), but that was enough.

fuzzknot fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jan 14, 2016

fuzzknot
Mar 23, 2009

Yip yip yip yip yip

mrking posted:

Keep posting art, doodles, sketches and songs with lyrical changes are the best things to have come out of this thread IMO. also on personal level I would like to see more spacemen farting out drones.


You could probably use the Wing Commander movie to extrapolate how Chris Roberts expects people to behave on camera.....

Egad. Like I said in my most recent rage-y post, I've had quite enough of what CR thinks people ought to look like on camera. You could film something more entertaining just by taping me falling on my rear end.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

SquirrelGrip posted:

id point you to some kind of information but no one knows?
how many players does an instance hold now? 16?
anyone know how many instances there are? (and if they are in google compute or another iaas?)

as another poster pointed out data transfer is minimal (client-> server, server->client)
anyone have any experience with mmo server architecture? (sc or not im pretty interested in a goon explanation)

im guessing,
1. a front end for connecting/serving info to the player/citizen,
2. err "app" server? (gameplay poo poo whatever you want to call it) x how ever many,
3. might have economy/background sims on another,
4. db's
5. depending on cloud provider networks and all that jazz

Who knows.

Here's the issue as I see it from a hosting vs. cloud standpoint.

The decision to use cloud versus in house servers is a tricky question. There is that tipping point as we say when staff/infrastructure costs outweigh outsourcing to the cloud.

So a 12 CPU 24G instance will be around $800 or month or so running 24/7 full tilt. How many folks can this server handle? I have no idea, that is a Crysis thing.

The kicker is in my daily job I only have to manage a fraction of this number of users. Yet the costs add up fast, because if you extrapolate monthly costs you reach into the realm of "why don't I just buy the physical server poo poo?" stage.

Now here is the reality, in the cloud, you live and die spinning up VM's to satisfy demand. Then have them de-allocate when not in use. The invoice you get at the end of the month is more detailed than John Holmes porn history. It is broken down to fractrions of a second of compute time along with storage.

Guess what I'm getting at, is a couple things:

1) They are probably generating back end scripts to fire up VM instances to handle things and shut them down when idle. This is the infamous GIM thing. And is normal, from a cost containment issue.
2) VM's aint cheap in the cloud.
3) Last article I read that was 5 years old was that WoW recquired 75,000 cores to run their game.
4) So with the above items, one can imagine if this fucker comes to fruition without subscription costs....thinking how many instances of VMs and compute time that will start billing when we have a 10,000 servers spooled up....which should serve 320K of the Verse....better buy more jpegs.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Colostomy Bag posted:

Who knows.

Here's the issue as I see it from a hosting vs. cloud standpoint.

The decision to use cloud versus in house servers is a tricky question. There is that tipping point as we say when staff/infrastructure costs outweigh outsourcing to the cloud.

So a 12 CPU 24G instance will be around $800 or month or so running 24/7 full tilt. How many folks can this server handle? I have no idea, that is a Crysis thing.

The kicker is in my daily job I only have to manage a fraction of this number of users. Yet the costs add up fast, because if you extrapolate monthly costs you reach into the realm of "why don't I just buy the physical server poo poo?" stage.

Now here is the reality, in the cloud, you live and die spinning up VM's to satisfy demand. Then have them de-allocate when not in use. The invoice you get at the end of the month is more detailed than John Holmes porn history. It is broken down to fractrions of a second of compute time along with storage.

Guess what I'm getting at, is a couple things:

1) They are probably generating back end scripts to fire up VM instances to handle things and shut them down when idle. This is the infamous GIM thing. And is normal, from a cost containment issue.
2) VM's aint cheap in the cloud.
3) Last article I read that was 5 years old was that WoW recquired 75,000 cores to run their game.
4) So with the above items, one can imagine if this fucker comes to fruition without subscription costs....thinking how many instances of VMs and compute time that will start billing when we have a 10,000 servers spooled up....which should serve 320K of the Verse....better buy more jpegs.

Makes me wonder what the Age Of Reckoning private server guys are paying.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Young Freud posted:

Superior helmet designs...




With the Halo EVA helmet, I'd assume that whatever they're building the visor out of is probably not glass or plexiglass. Given it's the future, it could probably easily enough be transparent steel metamaterial. And you could probably make a secondary visor out of something that can reduce light like Transitions lenses so to keep the glare from lights or nearby stars out of your eyes.


It's good that you mention reflective material for lasers, but almost everything should at least be in anti-flash white, if not for reducing the effectiveness of lasers, but also for environmental reasons, since you want to reduce the amount of absorbed thermal radiation from stars and the like.



we already make our space helmets to come with coatings and poo poo that make them golden and not transparent like that. In a shocker, NASA isn't retarded about that kind of stuff.

Henry Winklers balls
Aug 2, 2006
Slightly Agravic

grimcreaper posted:

Found out one of my coworkers is a shitizen tonight. Another guy and i were talking about pc games and Elite Dangerous came up just as our door greeter walked into the break room. As soon as he had an opening "Star Citizen is a lot better than Elite. David Braben is pretty good at making really poo poo games. SC has Chris Roberts behind it, you know who that is?"

The guy i was talking to before, responded with "Yeah, hes that hack director who put together one of the shittiest movies ive ever watched. He got fired by Microsoft for being an incompetent moron and Freelancer turned out to be a great game in spite of Chris Roberts almost making it suck."

The door greeter gave me this look of pure disdain and said "You guys are loving goons arent you?" and then stormed out. It was.. surreal and weird. The guy is, at the very least, as old I am... He was huffing and puffing as he STOMPED his way out of the break room.

And then i got to tell my co-worker all about SomethingAwful and we may soon have another in the fold. all in all, a good day!


As someone that lives in the third world country, in a small city (Armenia, Colombia) these kind of stories are the ones i find the most interesting becouse i know i will never meet another goon IRL or someone that understands or hates what goons are.

Also i cant loving keep up with the thread.

Henry Winklers balls fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jan 14, 2016

Ravane
Oct 23, 2010

by LadyAmbien

Klyith posted:

Also I haven't been reading this thread for like the last two months, but I caught up in under 2 hours. here's how:
- click the ? under B4TBG's avatar
- page back until the last time you looked at SC
- read his posts only, maybe duck back to full thread if he's replying to something especially good

Continue to last B4TBG post, click ? again, read from there.


I previously had no idea that I could look at my post history in this thread...

Oh My fanfiction~!!!

Ravane posted:

[8 hours have passed since Ricky denied his familial ties to Smart, just before the last thread collapsed]

RICKY SMART
I never told you the truth about myself.

DEREK SMART
You told me enough! You told me you were my nephew! Then, you said you lied!

RICKY SMART
Because, I am your son.

[Shocked, Derek looks at Ricky in utter disbelief.]

DEREK SMART
No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!

RICKY SMART
Search your tin foil. You know it to be true.

DEREK SMART
NO! NO. No... I'LL LITIGATE YOU!

RICKY SMART
Father. You can destroy the Chairman. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Let me join you, and together we can rule the 'verse as father and son. Let me come with you. It is the only way.

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012

i know elite uses amazon so im curious what that costs them p/month or annum... is that where you are?

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.
Alright, trying to find the actor's access page of her, I want to show my brother why something like Sandi acting with A-List actors, and comparing it to Joe Kucan directing and acting as Kane with actors in the Command and Conquer days is incomparable.

Wookie Bouquet
Jan 27, 2013

Too tsundere to drive.

Goddamn. It's amazing to see how they have circled the wagons in 3 months, because at that point it's clear that /r/sc was at least open to the idea of the game development model being wasteful.

The excommunication of Beer and Scott Manley, combined with the razor focus on attacking DS? It's the natural lifecycle of reddit (and similar ecosystems). Open minded people can't compete with zealots and one day you turn around and your surrounded by the craziest dudes left.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001




quote:

If you had an inside view, you'd see it. I've literally had friends in CIG find out what they were working on was worthless because a 10 for the Chairman episode showed Chris was now thinking something very different than what they had gotten the sign off to work toward. Then they went to ask about it and find out since 10FtC filmed they were already up to Rev C of the idea. That's why I believe at least the spirit of the letter in the OP.

man everyone working there must either be true believers or have no other job opportunities because it sounds like a complete clusterfuck

Wookie Bouquet posted:

Goddamn. It's amazing to see how they have circled the wagons in 3 months, because at that point it's clear that /r/sc was at least open to the idea of the game development model being wasteful.

The excommunication of Beer and Scott Manley, combined with the razor focus on attacking DS? It's the natural lifecycle of reddit (and similar ecosystems). Open minded people can't compete with zealots and one day you turn around and your surrounded by the craziest dudes left.

quote:

I think it's probably more appropriate to question Smart's airing of private communications than it is to cry fiction, at least at this time.

haha SC reddit was a different place 3 months ago

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jan 14, 2016

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Samizdata posted:

Makes me wonder what the Age Of Reckoning private server guys are paying.
=

Some VM stuff is very cheap, I can roll with a 2012R2 DC for $11 a month. It really is slow at that level though.

The ultimate question is why they are affixing shitter doors with 20GB patches and making a few text changes to XML files to adjust max speeds? It's not like we can fly most of this poo poo.

Short answer is, it is an absolute cluster gently caress. Not sure what else can you say about it.

Whales are finally bailing out of their sunk cost thinking.

I hope that bug masher dude actually finds time to take a shower. I liked him and I think he gave a gently caress.

edit typos

Colostomy Bag fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Jan 14, 2016

Wookie Bouquet
Jan 27, 2013

Too tsundere to drive.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

man everyone working there must either be true believers or have no other job opportunities because it sounds like a complete clusterfuck

The former more likely, I don't know why you would think Ben was qualified for the job he has, let alone whoever the other dude is who now has Ben's old place.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Wookie Bouquet posted:

The former more likely, I don't know why you would think Ben was qualified for the job he has, let alone whoever the other dude is who now has Ben's old place.

oh i meant the people actually doing work like the coders and artists.

Wookie Bouquet
Jan 27, 2013

Too tsundere to drive.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

oh i meant the people actually doing work like the coders and artists.

Well they are taking a pay cut compared to working at a major publisher / developer so... it at least a factor.

redwalrus
Jul 27, 2013

:stoke:


:airquote:

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

Young Freud posted:

Superior helmet designs...




With the Halo EVA helmet, I'd assume that whatever they're building the visor out of is probably not glass or plexiglass. Given it's the future, it could probably easily enough be transparent steel metamaterial. And you could probably make a secondary visor out of something that can reduce light like Transitions lenses so to keep the glare from lights or nearby stars out of your eyes.


It's good that you mention reflective material for lasers, but almost everything should at least be in anti-flash white, if not for reducing the effectiveness of lasers, but also for environmental reasons, since you want to reduce the amount of absorbed thermal radiation from stars and the like.



Like if you wanna have dumb lights and poo poo projecting out of your helmet at least make it look loving cool

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Bolow posted:



Like if you wanna have dumb lights and poo poo projecting out of your helmet at least make it look loving cool

Project Goatse imo. Thats the most likely to keep your face from being shot.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Bolow posted:



Like if you wanna have dumb lights and poo poo projecting out of your helmet at least make it look loving cool

The comedy is, aren't some of the Citizens professing the FPS poo poo in SC is going to kill COD?

Gonkish
May 19, 2004

Unfunny Poster posted:

The comedy is, aren't some of the Citizens professing the FPS poo poo in SC is going to kill COD?

I think that was a thing, yes.

The cult knows no bounds.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

SquirrelGrip posted:

i know elite uses amazon so im curious what that costs them p/month or annum... is that where you are?

Well I can look it up...I have no idea in regards to Amazon/ec2, but my recent post is that Amazon/Azure/Google are basically the same in regards to cloud costs.

Guess what I'm what I'm saying, a few TB of storage are pennies. A few TB of bandwidth are pennies. Server instances are what they nail you with.

So basically, once this clusterfuck of a universe is finally realized, it is going to take a shitload of processing with 1M NPC's manning your guns, filing insurance claims, pouring your drinks on your starliner, etc.

It's sad...hell I want it to succeed. Instead I have some giant empty hanger with a pile of crap of sitting in it. Awaiting for my jpegs to arrive. Fired up the tutorial the other night. That was another broken dream.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Gonkish posted:

I think that was a thing, yes.

The cult knows no bounds.

Call of Duty sucks so much now that may be possible.

Mandibular Fiasco
Oct 14, 2012

fuctifino posted:

You can read about it all at this link: You need a platinum account to read this message

But don't post about the specifics in this thread. Rule 34 and all that...


What is this business of needing a platinum account to read this message? I have a platinum account, and don't get anything coming up. Is this an inside joke, or am I missing something?

Gonkish
May 19, 2004

Kavak posted:

Call of Duty sucks so much now that may be possible.

If there's one thing that inspires awe about this shitshow, it's CIG's ability to squander talent thanks to incredible mismanagement.

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012

Mandibular Fiasco posted:

What is this business of needing a platinum account to read this message? I have a platinum account, and don't get anything coming up. Is this an inside joke, or am I missing something?

Might want to check your account again.. Sadly, Lowtax lowballed us and wiped platinum for most people (on accident, he claims) during the one of the downtimes a couple days ago.

The Saddest Robot
Apr 17, 2007

Mandibular Fiasco posted:

What is this business of needing a platinum account to read this message? I have a platinum account, and don't get anything coming up. Is this an inside joke, or am I missing something?

You need to be vetted for double platinum access because :spies:

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

I was 1600 posts behind and it's amazing how basically nothing happened for all of that.

Mandibular Fiasco
Oct 14, 2012
Ah, that's much better. Thanks Kavak for the help with getting this sorted out!

Mandibular Fiasco
Oct 14, 2012

The Saddest Robot posted:

You need to be vetted for double platinum access because :spies:

I know that now! Glad to see I made the cut! Bring on the inside information...1200 pages of messages to catch up on!

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

I Saved PC Gaming

Ash1138 posted:

Vigo, the Scourge of Carpathia?

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

Hey Derek, if you're having trouble keeping up with the thread then don't forget that the OP can close and reopen the thread whenever he wants to. You have the power.

celewign
Jul 11, 2015

just get us in the playoffs
You guys totally got me with those "platinum account" messages.

I upgraded. Oh well.

Booourns
Jan 20, 2004
Please send a report when you see me complain about other posters and threads outside of QCS

~thanks!

Samizdata posted:

I thought I had platinum until all these messages started showing up. I originally thought it was a big joke, but apparently not?

It is a big joke and it stopped being funny months ago

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Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747
What's this about the Shart Citizens hating Scott Manley? All he has done as far afaik is release a unlisted, hidden and really timid vid about the SC debacle, and outside of that has a loving let's play or something going of it. What happened?

Dongattack fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jan 14, 2016

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