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1500quidporsche posted:To be fair when has a customer team won the championship? Brawn in 2009
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Brawn... gently caress beaten. 
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Well, I think brawn got the A spec engine because Mercedes were planning on taking them over and Toto was in the background trying to make it an appealing option to the mother ship, it also explains Shumacher's "neck injury" if he was already in talks with him and why the McLaren was so poor.Myrddin_Emrys posted:I think people are very much forgetting that the Honda engine really is a loving beast. The problem is McLaren have a loving beast of a chassis, but the two just do not marry and that's where the problem has been, especially with the rules and regulations locking up any kind of development. I think Damon is pretty much spot on. People may not like him here but his whole life has been about racing, I think he knows more about the quality of certain engine manufactures than you or myself. It may very well be yes, it may very well rofflestomp everything else next year. The point is that Ron absolutely will not have gone though the pain of losing all those sponsors and being the joke team of 2015 without an iron clad guarantee that they won't turn around and sell the engine to someone else when it's fixed, and have them reap any of the rewards. It's the whole point of them going "works" in the first place. Him not grasping this very fundamental concept and thinking he has the right to spout this very wrong opinion to the person running the team does indicate that he's really loving stupid and does not, in fact, know diddly poo poo about how the engineering and politics side of formula 1 works. edit: If Williams really want to win then it's time to start making calls to their old friends at ford or make some new ones who know how to build them an engine no one else has. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Jan 18, 2016 23:49
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Do you seriously think a driver who was in the paddock (and still is) a very long time doesn't know how the politics of F1 works? You can't even get a drive in F1 without understanding and playing the politics.
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brawn was the flukiest of flukes, not that they didn't deserve it but the brilliance of the double diffuser outweighed literally all logic. and yeah red bull won as a customer when renault's disinterest erased the distinction between the manufacturer and customer teams. so really no one has won as a customer since like the cosworth dfv was being raced by virtually everyone.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I think people are very much forgetting that the Honda engine really is a loving beast. The problem is McLaren have a loving beast of a chassis, but the two just do not marry and that's where the problem has been, especially with the rules and regulations locking up any kind of development. I think Damon is pretty much spot on. People may not like him here but his whole life has been about racing, I think he knows more about the quality of certain engine manufactures than you or myself. this is phenomenally retarded, the honda engine is not a beast, the actual internal combustion engine is around ferrari's level but it's irrelevant because the turbo and the hybrid are functionally useless. to suggest that it's a great engine that is somehow just doesn't work well with the mclaren chassis is the single dumbest suggestion that this thread has ever generated.
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'95 was an odd one, Benetton only had the Renault engines because of Flavio buying out Ligier's Renault contract and Williams were pretty much the Renault factory team then.
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Jan 19, 2016 04:23
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Williams-BMW 2017. Let's make this happen.
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Funzo posted:Williams-BMW 2017. Let's make this happen. Hell yeah. Shame it's a pipe dream though. I'd be surprised if there's anybody except merc and Ferrari providing engines next year unless something radical changes.
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Alain Post posted:'95 was an odd one, Benetton only had the Renault engines because of Flavio buying out Ligier's Renault contract and Williams were pretty much the Renault factory team then. With regards to Ligier I never understood the Suzuki/Brundle arrangement. Also that move really hosed over Minardi.
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be nice wicka posted:brawn was the flukiest of flukes, not that they didn't deserve it but the brilliance of the double diffuser outweighed literally all logic. and yeah red bull won as a customer when renault's disinterest erased the distinction between the manufacturer and customer teams. so really no one has won as a customer since like the cosworth dfv was being raced by virtually everyone. Nobody seems to mention that the Brawn was a Honda.
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Jan 19, 2016 06:26
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Brawn is a human
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He's more machine than man now
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nsaP posted:He's more machine than man now A fishing machine 
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Human Grand Prix posted:Nobody seems to mention that the Brawn was a Honda. Except the engine was from Mercedes and was virtually thrown in at the last moment.
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Jan 19, 2016 08:37
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1) There was no Merc fac team when Brawn won 2) Mclaren vs Merc 2010-2012
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Shimrod posted:Do you seriously think a driver who was in the paddock (and still is) a very long time doesn't know how the politics of F1 works? You can't even get a drive in F1 without understanding and playing the politics. Williams, 1st place. --------> Arrows, 12th place.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Except the engine was from Mercedes and was virtually thrown in at the last moment. The double-diffuser concept was from Honda and, specifically, Super Aguri  And Hill didn't exactly go jump to Arrows, he's a victim of Williams and Head's philosophy that the driver is an exchangeable part that can also be updated, improved and negotiated the price or much like your carbon supplier. They treated drivers like engine contracts. Hill wanted more money, the team disagreed. His option was Arrows.
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learnincurve posted:“I sort of suggested to Claire [Williams] last year that the problem is they have the same engine as the Mercedes team and that is always going to be a barrier between them winning a championship and Mercedes themselves winning a championship," he told Sky Sports F1. mansplain
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poo poo Farm posted:mansplain He seems like the kind of chap who would say "good girl" when told "well thank you for your opinion Damon, I will bear that in mind" by the director of a multinational company with several degrees.
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harperdc posted:The double-diffuser concept was from Honda and, specifically, Super Aguri And the very fact his option was Arrows rather proves they were right.
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Dudley posted:And the very fact his option was Arrows rather proves they were right. Best second place finish ever.
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darth cookie posted:Hell yeah. Shame it's a pipe dream though. I'd be surprised if there's anybody except merc and Ferrari providing engines next year unless something radical changes. wait, what? what happened to this thread
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Stop bickering about the world's greatest WDC you lot, channel 4 just released their list of live races: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/01/channel-4-chooses-live-2016-formula-1-races-silverstone-tops-the-bill/ quote:Bahrain – 1-3 April (4.00pm)
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EUROPE BRACKETS NOT IN EUROPE BRACKET
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enri posted:Stop bickering about the world's greatest WDC you lot, channel 4 just released their list of live races: No Austrailia no sale.
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Does the BBC still get to do their condensed replays of races later in the day?
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Nope. C4 get the highlights as well.
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Riso posted:Best second place finish ever. Wasn't it like a 30 cent part that failed?
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Funzo posted:Does the BBC still get to do their condensed replays of races later in the day? Channel 4 have literally bought the BBC's contract from them. Or rather been handed it because the BBC didn't want to pay for it anymore.
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F1 might be dumb but at least we're not NASCAR:
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gret posted:F1 might be dumb but at least we're not NASCAR: I, thankfully, know gently caress all about Nascar but is this basically the equivalent of F1 going "every 20 minutes, if there hasn't been a safety car, we bring one out for no reason just to artificially bunch up the pack" ?
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That's exactly what it is.
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gret posted:F1 might be dumb but at least we're not NASCAR: hahaha why do people watch this poo poo
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What the gently caress? That can't be real.
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A sport so boring that after 20 minutes if nothing happens they make something happen. That makes golf and American football look exciting in comparison. I wonder which races will have people walking on the track during it? There should be betting for that. Xenoid fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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Are they doing that in Sprint Cup, too? I know I saw one competition caution at MIS at lap 20 (won tickets to the race, never been to a NASCAR race before, they let me bring in a cooler of booze and it was rad even if the race sucked), but that infographic is for NASCAR CAMPING WORLD TRUCK SERIES which is the best name for an American truck racing competition ever.
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gret posted:F1 might be dumb but at least we're not NASCAR: LOL, at least they're being honest about it now rather than throwing 'competition yellows' for 'safety reasons'.
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NtotheTC posted:I, thankfully, know gently caress all about Nascar but is this basically the equivalent of F1 going "every 20 minutes, if there hasn't been a safety car, we bring one out for no reason just to artificially bunch up the pack" ? Not it means if there has not been a safety car, we bring one out for no reason other than commercials and sponsors
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