|
If we're talking demographics I picture the perfect Star Citizen Investor as an overweight furry with generalized anxiety and/or depression who makes a healthy income in IT middle management and is in the midst of a mid-life crisis. That's not a professional threat assessment, though.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:06 |
|
|
# ? Mar 28, 2024 13:07 |
|
Kavak posted:There are two questions I still can't find answers for: There was a post a few pages back where a backer talked about how much he liked to watch machines in real life do mundane automated labor. He went on to say he hoped there would be NPC mining ships he could fly up to, watch them mine an asteroid, and then follow them back to drop off their cargo. He went even further to say he wanted to be able to film this activity and upload it to an in-game news station. Which implies that he firmly believes that at some point, a real life human would pay to log into a game and watch in-game monitor footage of an NPC mining a rock. I believe this should answer most of your questions. Kavak posted:2. Is it Chris Roberts, "The man who made Wing Commander"? Sadly yes, yes, and very sadly yes
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:08 |
|
Kavak posted:Are the big spenders just a visible minority and it's really a sea of <$100 backers? Absolutely this. CIG refuse to tell us how many actual backers there are so it's hard to tell, but individuals have spent over $30,000 on this have distorted the total per backer enormously.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:14 |
|
Kavak posted:There are two questions I still can't find answers for: You don't have to be smart to be wealthy. I get the feeling that a lot of these backers are people who haven't really played many video games since they were young and are trying to re-live their youth by playing a game they grew up with only (conceivably) modernized and better in every way. Also, CIG has been generic enough in their descriptions that the backers have collectively filled in the cracks with their individual ideas of what a perfect space game will be. One backer is imagining a fleet of peers mining ore and returning to a spacedock to manually load and unload cargo (with super interesting mini games) while another is imagining flying around the galaxy with a pirate ship, boarding ships, and holding people for ransom (and/or raping them). Another one is super excited over having advanced space pets and wants to breed them on their intergalactic zoo ship while another imagines flying around in a space ambulance rescuing people and performing surgery mini games on them to keep them alive while they rush to a space station. Since there is no real plan or design documents to speak of, all of these individuals are still deluding themselves enough to think that the vision that they have of Star Citizen in their head is the one that they will actually get. CIG actively feeds into this by continuing to promise ridiculous things (hunting on planets?) Basically nostalgia, poor impulse control, and rose-colored putting the old WC games on a pedestal coupled with vague promises of the ultimate game that will do everything you've ever wanted to do in a video game.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:15 |
|
Kavak posted:There are two questions I still can't find answers for: Well, SC has shown that you dont need to be smart to make a lot of money. As the old saying goes, they are easily parted.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:16 |
|
Telemicus posted:Space is bigger
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:26 |
|
Yolomon Wayne posted:Well, SC has shown that you dont need to be smart to make a lot of money. No it doesn't. It says an idiot and his money are easily parted.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:28 |
|
kordansk posted:No it doesn't. It says an idiot and his money are easily parted. People not needing to be smart (fools) - making a lot of money (parting with it by jpg purchases)
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:32 |
|
My endgame bet is that SQ42 will come out, and then CRoberts will find an excuse to bail. Maybe it's a relaunched film company, maybe it's a new game project on the back of his "glorious success", maybe it's to support his wife's new acting career, whatever. That's his exit window. He'll make a big tearful public announcement and walk into the sunset. The managers he appointed will struggle on for a few months as the whales rage and begin to walk away, then CIG itself will quietly sink without trace.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:34 |
|
trucutru posted:... ship controls, which interact with the PID controller, that gives feedback to the avionics computer that controls the engines/ailerons/etc which are then used in the physics simulation to control your ship. Are they still doing this? I remember a lot of talk about it years ago, but I haven't seen any lately. One reason ships were being released at such a glacial pace was supposedly because it took time to hook up every engine right to get the right thrust for rotations and acceleration. Surely at some point you realise that you know what you want the rotation to be, so just set it to that instead of going in such roundabout ways. Who's going to notice?
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:38 |
|
EightAce posted:The fact that Chris could have done what he set out to do but has let greed blind him , the fact that ...lets face it ...mentally challenged people are being sold dreams for vast amounts of money to fund a Hollywood lifestyle for two people is not something I am just going sit and laugh at although I will do that as well . If there is solid info that i am aware of I will post it. I am not Derek smart and I don't have vast resources to throw at this , also my interest is nothing like as all consuming as some BUT if I know something and I can post it without causing problems for the sources then I will. If you're going to keep doing this, personally I don't mind if you occasionally make stuff up that's funny and mix that in with the solid information. There are several good reasons to do this, it will drive Citizen's crazier, this is a comedy site, sorting the made-up rumours from the true ones has a long history in these threads but it's fun and it's also going to help to further obscure your sources as hardcore Citizens will be more likely to dismiss you.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:51 |
|
And now for something completely different... I'm writing this on behalf of a mythical "moderate backer", he didn't ask me to but after speaking with him in the last couple of days I feel like it might be worth a shot especially because he has been trolling this thread pretty hilariously during the last week, which is how we ended up talking. The Good: he is heavily displeased with the way CIG handles poo poo, the moderators in the RSI forums and reddit and the Star Citizen community in general which he agrees are complete nutters. He claims to have tried to speak against the current but realized that if he kept up he was going to be ostracized and lumped in with the goons so he has been keeping his doubts and complaints to himself. He has also revealed to be a pretty competent troll and if it wasn't for the fact that we're on different sides of the trenches I get the feeling he would fit right in. The Bad: although he is not as deluded as the rest and is fully aware that something is rotten in the state of Denmark he is still largely a believer but the fact that he has no one to talk to probably doesn't help in that department. The Ugly: he loathes Derek Smart and at this point I think that plays as much a part in his current stance as does his love of The Vision. He keeps up with the thread more or less but the main reason he hasn't joined SA yet is that he gets the feeling that our moderation is the same as reddit but in reverse, that he would get "the Seraph treatment" or that we would chase him away just because he isn't 100% making GBS threads on CIG and still wishes the project to succeed. He didn't ask me to do this but since some of you once in a while talk about being willing to pay for some redditor or other to join I thought he'd be a great candidate. I'd pay for it myself but I'm just a poor war orphan slaving away in a coltan mine, if any of you deep pocket whales is willing to stretch a helping hand to a proto-goon speak up and I'll put you in touch. On the other hand maybe he's an even bigger troll than I give him credit for and he just managed to subliminary sweet talk me into this and once he joins he'll make me look like a fool. e: this is a different person from that "appeal to goons" guy I posted a couple of weeks ago MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jan 22, 2016 |
# ? Jan 22, 2016 13:58 |
|
MeLKoR posted:And now for something completely different... But Matilda already has an account, no?
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:12 |
|
What was the troll?
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:12 |
|
I don't think anyone poking fun at the project actually wants it to fail, I think its more an overall concern that has made a lot of us come together to question all of the promises of literally every feature ever, most of which don't make any sense or sound awful like their heavy handed economy controlling plans or their database smegma references on reddit, then raising as much money as they have selling ridiculously priced bullshit that won't exist until 2020, seeing literal ships take 8 months to more than 2 years to make and realizing its just a spaceship, realizing their actual technical limitations of what they're doing and also promising at the same time, offering no refunds, meanwhile management staff creates imdb moviestar resume padding clips in the office, buys lamps that cost $900, chairs that cost $3,500, watching the ceo play his own game is embarassing, and a huge list of other things that has made everyone question what the hell the end result is going to be, combined with a group of management people who have never met a deadline and always gone over budget in every game they've been involved in.
redwalrus fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jan 22, 2016 |
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:14 |
|
MeLKoR posted:He keeps up with the thread more or less but the main reason he hasn't joined SA yet is that he gets the feeling that our moderation is the same as reddit but in reverse, that he would get "the Seraph treatment" or that we would chase him away just because he isn't 100% making GBS threads on CIG and still wishes the project to succeed. He didn't ask me to do this but since some of you once in a while talk about being willing to pay for some redditor or other to join I thought he'd be a great candidate. I'd pay for it myself but I'm just a poor war orphan slaving away in a coltan mine, if any of you deep pocket whales is willing to stretch a helping hand to a proto-goon speak up and I'll put you in touch. lolish, octopode and other people who used to post about their delusions redwalrus posted:I don't think anyone poking fun at the project actually wants it to fail, I think its more a concern that got everyones hopes up with promising literally every feature ever, raising as much money as it has selling ridiculously priced bullshit that won't exist until 2020, meanwhile staff creates imdb moviestar resume padding clips in the office, buys lamps that cost $900, chairs that cost $3,500, watching the ceo play his own game is embarassing, and a huge list of other things that has made everyone question what the hell the end result is going to be, combined with a group of management people who have never met a deadline and always gone over budget, who knows. i want it to fail and ben to die from a heart attack
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:14 |
|
That's not that strange. I feel the same way for the most part. I want the game to come out and to be good. I like the art direction and the sound work. The Alpha actually is kind of fun with a friend or two to fly with, plus shooting down people trying to land on planets is hysterical. But I 100% cannot stand CIG, their youtube poo poo, their management and their complete lack of adult business decisions are all sickening and wholly disgusting. The fact that it's a 100 million dollar project in other people's money no less,with so much noticeable nepotism. Also I just can't seem to care about Elite for more than 15 minutes at a time. It's so technically proficient with zero sense of passion, I guess. It's the prog rock of space sims. I'm in awe of the sheer skill and knowledge it took to create, but it's just impossible to give a poo poo about it. I'd willingly and happily just settle for GTAV:Online in Space at this point
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:15 |
|
I do want Star Citizen to fail and destroy gaming industry. Only that way I'll be able to catch up with all the good games that were made in the past ten years.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:15 |
|
MeLKoR posted:And now for something completely different... I'll do it. PM me the details. I'm officially a whale for content in this thread.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:16 |
|
EightAce posted:CIG has more money than everyone thinks and will definitely see out 2016. SQ42 will not come out in its promised form but you will be getting between 3 - 9 missions that are embarrassingly basic. The real showpiece will be the shockingly bad cut scene nonsense showing shiny A lister's reading Chris appalling script . Very provocative and much appreciated perspectives. I had several questions but your second, longer reply suggests what your answers might've been. I will say I'd find it a relief if CIG's cash position isn't as dire as the worst case predictions, if only because that would allow more time for current beleaguered developers and artists at CIG to make their ways to the lifeboats.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:16 |
|
MeLKoR posted:And now for something completely different... as far as the ugly goes, it's ok to dislike or not care about Derek Smart. As long as he keeps the laughs coming he's fine but goons don't have a blood pact with him and there aren't even many who play or have any interest in his games. And it would be good to have someone ITT who doesn't hate CIG upfront and has some knowledge of the community/whales.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:20 |
|
It's not Matilda but I'm not going to give away his name or anything that could be used to figure out who he is. If anyone takes this up I'll tell him to create a reddit alt so you can speak to him personally and work it out.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:20 |
|
MeLKoR posted:And now for something completely different... Seraph was hounded from this thread for being a literal paedophile apologist and all round idiot. If this guy can discuss the good and the bad of CIG without feeling personally attacked then he'll do great here. You should link him to Loish's posts (or what ever that guy's name was) - he was a good poster who supported Star Citizen and we appreciated his contributions to the thread. Not sure where the guy's gone now but it'd be nice to have that perspective back again.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:20 |
|
Paladinus posted:PA- e: ^^^ This guy would be a good candidate for an account if anyone is feeling generous fuctifino fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jan 22, 2016 |
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:21 |
|
MeLKoR posted:And now for something completely different... I'm always up for a bit of hope, but one part of your message gives me pause... The loathing of Derek Smart is a bit off to me. Not liking the guy is understandable, but to put that sort of emotional weight into an opinion of a guy who all he knows about is that he tends to be a blowhard. Comparing that to the absolutely reprehensible actions of certain CIG staff, actions that truly and honestly hurt people, it seems like a knee-jerk political reaction rather than a measured assessment of threat. (There are some German auditors who can help him with that.) Otherwise I'm all for chit-chat with some positive spin.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:24 |
|
Iglocska posted:Come on, this looks fantastic: The ships are distinct and have similar design? I think you need a reminder.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:25 |
|
EightAce posted:After about a year in Chris was offered ludicrous amounts of money by at least two global companies (We are talking $150 mill plus) Croberts turned them down . There isn't anyone knocking on the door any more. Any compnay would do a risk assessment and an Audit before taking on this cluster gently caress and I'm guessing they would run a mile based on those findings. The irony was that Sandi thought $2 billion was a ludicrous price to pay for an unproven company with no real consumer product.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:26 |
|
redwalrus posted:The ships are distinct and have similar design? I think you need a reminder. It's been said before but this is actually one of the few GOOD design decisions they've made. Reusing assets makes the process faster, cheaper and keeps the design continuity you'd expect, since it's the same company making both shits in lore. My Infiniti has a ton of Nissan 370Z parts in it, my old Chevelle was a mishmash of GTO, Malibu and Nova parts. It's just part of making good business decisions in the design/engineering process
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:29 |
|
Even if it gets made it will count as a fail, to me.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:29 |
|
G0RF posted:Sandi said she asked Chris point-blank after Faceook bought Oculus for $2 billion if he would sell CIG for $2 billion. He said "No." And I really believe he meant it. That's a great indication of the outright stupidity that pride creates. Imagine for a moment that Chris was actually offered $2 billion (work with me here). He could then independently create an even better game without even relying on backer funds, working with his own cash, with money left over to be a multimillionaire for life and be able to do all sorts of cool poo poo forever. Of course in its current stage I estimate the value of the Star Citizen IP at roughly -106 million USD.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:29 |
|
Moogle posted:If we're talking demographics I picture the perfect Star Citizen Investor as an overweight furry with generalized anxiety and/or depression who makes a healthy income in IT middle management and is in the midst of a mid-life crisis. Hey man, why you doxxxxx me? Not cool.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:31 |
|
fuctifino posted:
Tell this guy he's welcome.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:34 |
|
I think CIG had better announce another sale
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:34 |
|
hanales posted:I'll do it. PM me the details. I'm officially a whale for content in this thread. Awesome, I sent him a message instructing him to create a reddit alt so you can speak with each other. I don't have platinum so please PM me on reddit /u/sower_of_discord or I'll just post his alt contact info in the thread once he replies to me. (I don't know his timezone, that might take a while)
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:35 |
|
EightAce posted:CIG has more money than everyone thinks and will definitely see out 2016. SQ42 will not come out in its promised form but you will be getting between 3 - 9 missions that are embarrassingly basic. The real showpiece will be the shockingly bad cut scene nonsense showing shiny A lister's reading Chris appalling script . I hope they cram into it all 10 hours of cut-scenes, unskippable of course, and the average mission is 20 minutes long.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:36 |
|
Moogle posted:If we're talking demographics I picture the perfect Star Citizen Investor as an overweight furry with generalized anxiety and/or depression who makes a healthy income in IT middle management and is in the midst of a mid-life crisis.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:38 |
Booblord Zagats posted:It's been said before but this is actually one of the few GOOD design decisions they've made. Reusing assets makes the process faster, cheaper and keeps the design continuity you'd expect, since it's the same company making both shits in lore. Yeah I agree with this part. From an actual manufacturing perspective this is done all the time and parts commonality within a company is going to be a thing always and probably helps at least lead to an aesthetic that gives each company it's own look and feel in the end if they would develop it that way.
|
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:38 |
|
Scruffpuff posted:I'm always up for a bit of hope, but one part of your message gives me pause... Let's be fair, I "like" DSmart but he is an enormous rear end in a top hat and it's not like it bothers him people think that. He goes out of his way to apear a complete bastard at times. If all you have been getting for months is the coolaid hating DS will come naturally.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:39 |
Be warned melkors friend, Loiosh was the last reasonable cig supporter itt and his last act was trying to get a refund, which is highly unlikely to happen because cig are full of poo poo. Loiosh you never post or pm anymore!!!
|
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:39 |
|
|
# ? Mar 28, 2024 13:07 |
|
Tokamak posted:Work is slowly getting done, but as it is folded back into the game, new problems arise. Many of these problems are due to how the engine is designed (hard coded 'use' icon, incompatible character animation system, FPS netcode etc.) and require work around's that are essentially rewrites of the engine. Remember back when Area Commander was perpetually two weeks away? CIG said they were taking their time but it wasn't effort wasted because they had rewritten CryEngine's netcode and would use that for the PU. Someone must've misplaced the floppy disk or something.
|
# ? Jan 22, 2016 14:39 |