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xlevus posted:I believe the design of micro b is meant to be more robust than mini b. Micro B moved the failure point (the springy bit) from the receptacle to the plug. So instead of wearing out the receptacle in your device, you'll wear out the plug on the cheap and easily-replaced cable.
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Lurking Haro posted:Some googling only leads me to supposedly higher plug-in cycle life, 5k vs. 10k. You got the retention force backwards---the USB spec says that the minimum removal force for mini is 3N, while micro is 8N (the standard usb connectors are 10N). So, yeah, USB micro is more durable and has better retention.
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Slanderer posted:You got the retention force backwards---the USB spec says that the minimum removal force for mini is 3N, while micro is 8N (the standard usb connectors are 10N). So, yeah, USB micro is more durable and has better retention. I guess I have a worn-down cable v  vAnyway, Type C is on its way.
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Are alarm clocks obsolete yet? I remember having one with all kinds of knobs and controls to make different wake up times depending on what day it was (I worked shifts in a 24/7 NOC). Now I can set an alarm without unlocking my phone.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Are alarm clocks obsolete yet? I remember having one with all kinds of knobs and controls to make different wake up times depending on what day it was (I worked shifts in a 24/7 NOC). Now I can set an alarm without unlocking my phone. They still haven't added cell phone alarms to The Sims, so I guess they have a purpose today.
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KozmoNaut posted:Micro B moved the failure point (the springy bit) from the receptacle to the plug. So instead of wearing out the receptacle in your device, you'll wear out the plug on the cheap and easily-replaced cable. And this is why my Dualshock 3 can't hold onto a loving charge cable to save it's life, and my much older cell phone can.
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DoctorWhat posted:Something about Type-C makes me uncomfortable. Is it the idea of a male going both ways? 
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Fuzz1111 posted:One thing I miss about my old Nokia is that even if the phone was flat the alarm would work (no vibrate but it'd still work weeks after powering itself down). My Samsung does something really weird. If it drains the battery, upon recharging I have to make sure all my alarms are turned back on. Only ONE of the three I set before power failure is active. I don't understand why though.
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Fuzz1111 posted:One thing I miss about my old Nokia is that even if the phone was flat the alarm would work (no vibrate but it'd still work weeks after powering itself down). I had a Nokia that played the alarm randomly a couple of times after I dumped it in the closet when I got a new phone. Like weeks/months after being turned off, maybe it was getting lonely.
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W424 posted:I had a Nokia that played the alarm randomly a couple of times after I dumped it in the closet when I got a new phone. Like weeks/months after being turned off, maybe it was getting lonely. Seriouspost: it wasn't your phone that rang in the closet 
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Jerry Cotton posted:Seriouspost: it wasn't your phone that rang in the closet Oh great. A new horror trend is going to be your home alone and you hear an unfamiliar text notification.
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Keiya posted:Can't wait until the non-reversible cables belong in this thread. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0191EB78Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02
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Lowen SoDium posted:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0191EB78Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02  holy crap bought.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Oh great. A new horror trend is going to be your home alone and you hear an unfamiliar text notification. When I was a store supervisor, I had to be there at 9 on sundays to get everything ready for when the rest of the staff came in at 10. We opened at noon so we used this time to make price changes and stuff. I got in, and I was printing off the price labled and i heart a text noise. I looked at my phone and no texts. I kept hearing it, over and over, echoing through the empty store. I eventually found it, sitting on top of a display. A Customer had left their phone the night before and was texting it to see if they could find out where it was. Which was pointless because it was locked so I couldn't respond and tell them. Lots of creepy stuff happened in that time. The stupid BBT plush kitties we had all started going off on their own one morning. What is the letter for the micro USB that the Ps4 uses? Is that C? And I have somewhere a connector that at one end is USB and the other end is a ton of different types, firewire I recognize but the others are really weird and I've never seen them before.
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Wasabi the J posted:
Of course Dave Jones did a little thing on them as part of his mailbag segment: Go to 38:21 (embedding is being weird) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bjQU0ogaPQ
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I had a WinMo phone in the Bad Old Days of WinMo (2006/2007? I think). The iPhone had just come out, but my phone had apps, 3G, etc., so of course it was better. Things that predictably caused my phones to freeze, necessitating pulling the battery (happened across two separate models, even after the "upgrade" to old WinMo): -The alarm -Phone calls The loving thing failed to wake me up so many times, it's amazing I wasn't fired from my old lovely job. Meanwhile, here comes a phone call ON YOUR PHONE from someone important...and the loving thing just freezes entirely. The first one had a stylus, which was necessary, because old WinMo had tiny little buttons in the UI that were clearly not meant for a touch interface. The second one was heavily skinned, but you would click a nicely skinned button, which would open a jarringly lovely system app. On the other hand, I miss a lot of things from old WinMo, such as
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I had the opposite problem with my winphone. The alarm would go off every morning at 5:30 AM if it was turned on or not. There was no way to clear it once it was set short of a factory reset.
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nocal posted:Meanwhile, here comes a phone call ON YOUR PHONE from someone important...and the loving thing just freezes entirely. I had cheap Sony Ericson briefly that after being on for a while just wouldn't receive calls, no notification, nothing. I got an email to the tune of "dude are you dead?" after being unreachable for a week or so. Another great feature was (it being a clam phone) that the upper cover was smaller than the base, making it hard to open with one hand and easy to drop /send flying trying to open it.
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nocal posted:I had a WinMo phone in the Bad Old Days of WinMo (2006/2007? I think). The iPhone had just come out, but my phone had apps, 3G, etc., so of course it was better. Windows Mobile was a very powerful (for the time) OS. The first phone I had running it was the ATT 8125 (HTC Wizard), but I have 3 or 4 more phones after that that were all improvements in specs. The later ones I had the finger size skin like you said, but most apps for it still needed the stylus. I didn't have a lot of lock up problems like you described, but more than I have had on any Android phone I have had since. I remember having some friends that got the iPhone when it first launched. It didn't have GPS, copy and paste, 3G, MMS, videos recording capabilities, apps (and when it did get apps, it couldn't multitask), A2DP bluetooth audio, and only had a half VGA screen. It literally wasn't even a smartphone. My WinMo phone had all of those capabilities and better specs. The only 2 things that the iPhone had over my phone was that it had better battery life and a better finger driven UI. But Apple was able to prove that specs didn't matter as much as marketing and ease of use and was able to take over huge market shares from MS and RIM that they were never able to recover. Android actually makes up the the vast majority of smartphones worldwide (over 80%), but that number includes a lot of budget phones, prepaid, and other low end devices that are just barely able to even run the OS. This low end space is a market that Apple doesn't have any products in. For my contribution to an obsolete tech, I am going to say the Flagship phone. There really isn't a whole lot of improvement left to be made on smartphone performance. Sure, you can increase battery life some by making CPUs faster and more efficient, but once you have a smartphone that can last more than a day of normal use, people aren't going to see better battery life as an improvement until you can make it a week between charges with normal use. Thats an increase that is not likely to happen in a single upgrade cycle. Smart phones don't seem slow any more. Wireless speeds are good enough for most people in most places. Screen resolutions have gotten ridiculously high for 5" and 6" screens. It's getting harder and harder for the average person to tell the difference between a $250-$300 smartphone and a $600+ one. Even as a power user, I have gotten to where I don't upgrade my phone near as often as I used to because the increases are less and less noticeable with hardware release cycle.
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Humphreys posted:My Samsung does something really weird. If it drains the battery, upon recharging I have to make sure all my alarms are turned back on. Only ONE of the three I set before power failure is active. I don't understand why though.
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Lowen SoDium posted:
Me back then: "pft iPhone, check out how much more poo poo my phone can do" *removes battery to reboot* "wait a sec"
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Lowen SoDium posted:I remember having some friends that got the iPhone when it first launched. It didn't have GPS, copy and paste, 3G, MMS, videos recording capabilities, apps (and when it did get apps, it couldn't multitask), A2DP bluetooth audio, and only had a half VGA screen. It literally wasn't even a smartphone. My WinMo phone had all of those capabilities and better specs. The only 2 things that the iPhone had over my phone was that it had better battery life and a better finger driven UI. When I first got my hands on an iPhone I didn't care about apps or data speeds. I wanted to try the onscreen keyboard and pinch to zoom. I still have an iPhone 2g that AT&T sold to employees cheap after the 3G came out. I kind of want to make one of my kids use it as punishment. I think it could do iOS 4, which was kind of modern.
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Krispy Kareem posted:When I first got my hands on an iPhone I didn't care about apps or data speeds. I wanted to try the onscreen keyboard and pinch to zoom. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the original iPhones will no longer activate, so they're useless as phones.
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nocal posted:Me back then: "pft iPhone, check out how much more poo poo my phone can do" *removes battery to reboot* "wait a sec"
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chitoryu12 posted:Scott Adams has some interesting ideas about phones. Ah yes, a DWIM-only system.
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Lowen SoDium posted:For my contribution to an obsolete tech, I am going to say the Flagship phone. There really isn't a whole lot of improvement left to be made on smartphone performance. Sure, you can increase battery life some by making CPUs faster and more efficient, but once you have a smartphone that can last more than a day of normal use, people aren't going to see better battery life as an improvement until you can make it a week between charges with normal use. Thats an increase that is not likely to happen in a single upgrade cycle. Smart phones don't seem slow any more. Wireless speeds are good enough for most people in most places. Screen resolutions have gotten ridiculously high for 5" and 6" screens. It's getting harder and harder for the average person to tell the difference between a $250-$300 smartphone and a $600+ one. Even as a power user, I have gotten to where I don't upgrade my phone near as often as I used to because the increases are less and less noticeable with hardware release cycle. Honestly, the next arms race will be features rather than performance. Fingerprint scanners, 3D, curved screens, thinness, etc.
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robodex posted:Honestly, the next arms race will be features rather than performance. Fingerprint scanners, 3D, curved screens, thinness, etc. Many people already feel that curved screens are a gimmick on TVs, and they don't even make sense on a smartphone. Samsung had a special phone that displayed stuff on the edge. Nobody gave a poo poo.
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mystes posted:But features were the selling point before performance. Apple pushed thinness and for a while that drove cellphone design, but we're already to the point where were at the limit and it doesn't matter any more anyawy. There was at least one 3D phone (HTC EVO 3D) and I owned one multiple years ago. The selling point became performance because since they ran out of useful features to add and it just became gimmicks, smartphones are already a commodity. What I'm hoping becomes obsolete is multiple devices. I want a single device that take advantage of multiple form-factors. A core device that can be carried as a phone and docks to shells that adds additional display horsepower and peripheral interfaces for a tablet or a laptop. Motorola tried it (unsuccessfully) with the Atrix. I know it's a probably multiple generations off and will require some revolutionary breakthroughs in processor design, but damnit that's what I want.
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chitoryu12 posted:Scott Adams has some interesting ideas about phones. As much as I like Dilbert strips, there's no denying Scott Adams is totally out of touch with things.
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flosofl posted:What I'm hoping becomes obsolete is multiple devices. I want a single device that take advantage of multiple form-factors. A core device that can be carried as a phone and docks to shells that adds additional display horsepower and peripheral interfaces for a tablet or a laptop. Motorola tried it (unsuccessfully) with the Atrix. I know it's a probably multiple generations off and will require some revolutionary breakthroughs in processor design, but damnit that's what I want. Docking is the past. The future is the cloud. 
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Platystemon posted:Docking is the past. The future is the cloud.
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Platystemon posted:Docking is the past. The future is the cloud. Well, I was thinking of a device that has the processing and memory and display tech built in. It's also your dedicated communications node. Everything else from applications to data lives in THE CLOUD  You just slot it into different peripherals depending on your current use case.
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flosofl posted:Well, I was thinking of a device that has the processing and memory and display tech built in. It's also your dedicated communications node. Everything else from applications to data lives in THE CLOUD Microsoft is leaning in that direction a little. A couple of Lumia phones can dock via USB-C to a peripheral and display hub and run a Windows 10-ish desktop environment. It'll be interesting to see where that is in a couple years.
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Toast Museum posted:Microsoft is leaning in that direction a little. A couple of Lumia phones can dock via USB-C to a peripheral and display hub and run a Windows 10-ish desktop environment. It'll be interesting to see where that is in a couple years. Once we get to the point that phones can run a full desktop OS without massive tradeoffs, then phones replacing low-end computers/laptops by docking into a laptop shell or desktop dock through USB-C seems inevitable. The fact that drat near every kind of input under the sun can interface through USB 3.1/C (up to and including power and video) means that traditional laptop docks will probably get replaced by generics with a USB-C input in the coming years, and from there it's not a stretch for phones to be supported as well.
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