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Solarin
Nov 15, 2007

1500 posted:

Where one side is having fun and the other side doesn't get it? Same thing could be applied to SA and Citizens.

Nailed it. A redditor might look at that and think "haha that cat is so loving angry. data is the best puppet master" and miss that point. The cat is entertained in a way data can't understand, and it will leave once it's bored.

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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

It's not possible because revealing what people are actually getting would murder CIG's revenue stream faster than you can say "web of lies".


The problem with Chris's Vision is that it resets every time he blinks.
Having a coherent road map with clear progress indicators would make it much easier to hold CIG accountable.

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
GOOONNNSSSS!!! :argh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/42msnx/how_did_you_get_a_refund/

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

stinch posted:

Well, if you discover your engine does not support shotguns and you are trying to develop a FPS you have to shift gears a little bit.

I added exception handling for this in my current project.

code:
  # where are all these goddamn shotguns coming from?
  class ShotgunException < RuntimeError
    def initialize
      super("Fatal Error: A shotgun.")
    end
  end

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Bushiz posted:

I dropped like 140 bucks on lifetime pass for Elite Dangerous over the summer, and every time I feel bad about it I look at this thread and see what people have spent money on and who is in charge of that money and I'm always like "boy, spending that much money on a video game isn't nearly as stupid of an idea as it could have been"

I dropped 20 bucks on E:D when it was on discount, realized it is basically cookie-clicker in space, and went back to Puzzle and loving Dragons for a less grindular experience.

I could have gotten like 25 magic stones for those :10bux::10bux:

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

i don't really understand E:D or have any idea of what i'm meant to be doing but it all feels pretty cool

SpunkyRedKnight
Oct 12, 2000

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Toops posted:

I added exception handling for this in my current project.

code:
  # where are all these goddamn shotguns coming from?
  class ShotgunException < RuntimeError
    def initialize
      super("Fatal Error: A shotgun.")
    end
  end

I think you could approximate a shotgun thusly:

code:
def fireShotgun(shotgun: Shotgun): FlyingBullets = 100.times((new Pistol).fire())

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012



he ended his last ragepost with a loving "not!" joke. congratulations james brand you are now in the late nineties. i also liked how someone asked him how much he had sunk into the project and his defensiveness escalated beyond all reason

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


lol, that's good!

Judas needs to be wingman.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



trucutru posted:

I dropped 20 bucks on E:D when it was on discount, realized it is basically cookie-clicker in space, and went back to Puzzle and loving Dragons for a less grindular experience.

I could have gotten like 25 magic stones for those :10bux::10bux:

lol you play puzzle and dragons and think you have the right to criticize any other game for being grindy

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx

this is good

fuzzknot
Mar 23, 2009

Yip yip yip yip yip

Except Christ Roberts should be Jesus.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
For those of you who've never read it, a story about the calm before the Ion Storm.

quote:

"Hot new computer game maker ION Storm appears to have all it needs for success -- top talent, plenty of money, and legions of anxious fans. So why is its future so cloudy?
By Christine Biederman

Now is the moment to do or die. Again. It's come about pretty quickly. Only minutes have passed since an odd time-travel device, a magical samurai sword, deposited you here in the sixth century. Looking around, you noticed it was snowing lightly, and from the looks of it, a storm was blowing in.

In front of you loomed an ominous medieval castle. Eager to commence your quest--to revise history by capturing the elusive daikatana, the saber you are chasing through 3,600 years--you hurried inside. The castle responded by hurling vermin, fantastic creatures, and deadly germs at you. In short order you've shaken a gang of bats, dispatched a nasty pair of werewolves with your crossbow, and beaten a hostile archer to the punch with a few well-aimed arrows. Then came the pack of squealing, plague-carrying rats leaping for your face. Since you know there are times to fight and times to turn tail, you've just slipped through a secret passage and down an elevator. (An elevator? You're rewriting history already.)

Now you're back outside, and there he is--a plague-infected half-man, half-zombie. And then another. And a third.

This doesn't look promising. Over one side is a drop that looks to be several thousand feet, and in front of you, Black Death. Where are your fellow time travelers, Mikiko and Superfly? Aren't you supposed to be able to page them somehow, to get you out of a fix like this? And where's the damned daikatana--literally, the "big sword," the magical eight-in-one weapon?

Oh, well, black-magic time. Pointing your staff at the three zombies, you draw a circle, then a pentagon, and the gates of Hell fly open, and...next thing you know, the menacing undead explode into a few dozen flying, bloody chunks.

"More gibs for your money," laughs a voice from across the centuries. "That's gibs, as in giblets."

And with that, you're back in the late-20th-century offices of computer game developer ION Storm, located high atop a downtown Dallas skyscraper. It is December 17, 1998--less than three months before the scheduled release date for Daikatana, the computer game that Mr. Giblets, ION Storm producer Kelly Hoerner, has just been demonstrating. It's the game that a tribe of computer gamers is dying to get their trigger fingers on.

It's also the game that could make or break ION Storm..."
Article continues here and is a smorgasbord of familiar themes. If the opening paragraphs aren't enough to compel you to read it, here are some other select quotes...

quote:

It was a time of giddy optimism.

quote:

the place where the "designer's vision is king" has turned into a toxic mix of prima donnas and personality cults

quote:

The company has run through $26 million and is spending at a rate of nearly $900,000 per month. Every month the number of copies of Daikatana it needs to sell goes up.

quote:

[Tell Wilson], 'You better be loving glad we wrote off your car and house, you loving rat-faced bitch,'

quote:

"Game developers are a special breed," he explains. "They're very loyal, and all you have to do is treat them with a minimal amount of respect, and they'll stay with you forever. But if you don't, these guys have talents, and they're going to go off. You can poo poo on them only so many times."

quote:

"According to seven of the 10 who were at lunch, the Daikatana team was seriously disenchanted."

quote:

"VERY VERY VERY concerned about Daikatana not shipping on time (as well as the other titles)...VERY VERY VERY concerned about people leaving Daikatana--though I tried to assure them that most of [those] who left were poo poo anyway...VERY concerned that John's heart is not in Daikatana...VERY VERY VERY concerned about the AI in Daikatana and that there is a TREMENDOUS amount left to do.".

quote:

"In other words, for ION Storm to reach that mark and survive the dilemma it has created for itself, the company may need all the magic that Romero and pals can muster. It may need a real daikatana."

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Prop Wash posted:

lol you play puzzle and dragons and think you have the right to criticize any other game for being grindy

:thejoke: you idiot.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Karl come back, dolvak let eonwe buy you an account, dolphin brony join us


please

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

I thought the same thing the first time I saw that picture. Awesome job.

Solarin
Nov 15, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Star Citizen is also apparently a revolutionary game that doesn't actually have fun as its core design philosophy. CIG is really pushing the boundaries of what's possible here.

Your point really shows how much CIG has to lose by delivering anything. People are buying a fantasy - ridiculous grindy poo poo mechanics like grabby handing your cargo, and drink serving minigames are really fun in fantasy. They reinforce the expectation of acievement, status and purpose that whales are buying in to.

Those who see this as a game in development, not a rich fantasy life, may wonder how the gently caress this mess of gameplay systems will produce a fun, cohesive experience that can be enjoyed by real life people. I think this things best chance of fun is the collapsed house of cards approach. Many barely implemented systems collapse in on each other and the result is a novel, semi-playable mess that kinda works. I'm not sure if this works when the core design is so clearly robbed of passion by the visionary in charge.

I believe EightAce when he says no SQ42 in 2016. As long as people keep buying fantasy then an actual game release is a dire threat to their revenue.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6286892/#Comment_6286892


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6287080/#Comment_6287080

blueberrysmith
May 4, 2006

Dirty Sanchez

alf_pogs posted:

he ended his last ragepost with a loving "not!" joke. congratulations james brand you are now in the late nineties. i also liked how someone asked him how much he had sunk into the project and his defensiveness escalated beyond all reason

He's a well adjusted Star Citizen.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

I Saved PC Gaming

CrazyLoon posted:

Ahh...the bad old days...I still remember the diplomatic efforts after that to patch something up during PAX AUS, but alas...there could be no peas. He left the peas on the table.

Someone explain the meltdown, I can't figure it out other than Bexter or whoever is being weird.

Solarin
Nov 15, 2007

Dapper Dan posted:

Sillybones posted:

Are these people unaware that people can lie to them? Maybe not everything they say on these 'open development' videos might actually be true. I can't even work out how they get into this mindset considering just how many times CIG has failed to meet up with their statements. Double-think layered on double-think.

It is mind-boggling how much blind trust they put into everything. 'Oh, he said there will be pants making GBS threads for food poisoning? Makes sense, I am going to join the Space FDA!' Its like they've never dealt with the outside world where people don't always tell the truth. Not to mention this has been a pattern for years. This isn't a recent development.

I've been rewatching King of the Hill, so to make the tragi-comedy more comedy and less tragic: imagine these people are Dale Gribble - hyper-vigilant of conspiracy but unable to doubt people he trusts.

any time evil publishers, derek smart, "i will feel grief", plotting goons or any other conspiracy comes up read it with this voice

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
Dowlphin thinks CIG is interested in their feedback







CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

ZenMaster posted:

Someone explain the meltdown, I can't figure it out other than Bexter or whoever is being weird.

No one can explain the reasons for why he did it lol. But here's the short of it:

*Some RSI poster (a non-goon) says Bexter's name sounds similar to Al Bester from Babylon 5
*Bexter loses his poo poo, goons chime in and ask him to calm down/push his buttons somewhat. Bexter turns all his ire on goons.
*Bexter makes a 'private conversation' that includes loving everybody on RSI forums, to witness how he gloriously launches nukes, hoping moderators will back him in his insanity.
*The shitshow you can read there happens.
*Mods ban Bexter and another of his friends, leaving goons unscathed.
*A few months later, Bexter seems calmed down and shows up in goon org thread, a deal is worked out to which he agrees, that he'd take a picture with goon diplomat at PAX AUS so as to RP sign a 'peace treaty', since his war was never officially ended since that time.
*Bexter chickens out, and claims he never agreed to it at all, proving himself to, in fact, be a pussy on top of a batshit insane roleplayer.

TL;DR: Just your average day on the RSI forums.

mrking
May 27, 2006

There's No Limit To What We Can't Accomplish



fuzzknot posted:



Except Christ Roberts should be Jesus.

I thought this at first too, but I think Chris Roberts is really Judas: betraying the life long admiration of :lesnick:

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

ZenMaster posted:

Someone explain the meltdown, I can't figure it out other than Bexter or whoever is being weird.

Someone trolled Bexter's crazy RP corp recruitment thread, or maybe just did the even more passive thing of telling random people to look up REI, I don't remember which. This got him to go loving nuts, and declare a FORMAL STATE OF WAR between REI and THE EVIL GOONRATHI.

He then proceeded to spam PM everyone he could on the whole forum including every goon, every moderator, and other randos. It devolved in to one of the most idiotic examples of patented Ben Lesnick Moderation Best Practices ever, as a FORMAL RULE was declared that no goon was allowed to interact with crazy rear end REI people in any way.

This ended predictably well.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf
*Oh yea, it started because people kept calling him Alfred Bester from B5 rofl.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


G0RF posted:

For those of you who've never read it, a story about the calm before the Ion Storm.

Article continues here and is a smorgasbord of familiar themes. If the opening paragraphs aren't enough to compel you to read it, here are some other select quotes...

great read. star citizen is also in the unenviable worse position of having crowdfunded too - the public comitments are already made. they are doomed ha ha ha

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Solarin posted:

I've been rewatching King of the Hill, so to make the tragi-comedy more comedy and less tragic: imagine these people are Dale Gribble - hyper-vigilant of conspiracy but unable to doubt people he trusts.



Also, oblivious to infidelity that is going on behind his back, even when there's clear evidence right in front of him.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
So the backpedaling in today's 10FTC begins at 6:00 PM EST right?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
StarCitizen.gif

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

ZenMaster posted:

Someone explain the meltdown, I can't figure it out other than Bexter or whoever is being weird.


ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

I Saved PC Gaming

CrazyLoon posted:

No one can explain the reasons for why he did it lol. But here's the short of it:

*Some RSI poster (a non-goon) says Bexter's name sounds similar to Al Bester from Babylon 5
*Bexter loses his poo poo, goons chime in and ask him to calm down/push his buttons somewhat. Bexter turns all his ire on goons.
*Bexter makes a 'private conversation' that includes loving everybody on RSI forums, to witness how he gloriously launches nukes, hoping moderators will back him in his insanity.
*The shitshow you can read there happens.
*Mods ban Bexter and another of his friends, leaving goons unscathed.
*A few months later, Bexter seems calmed down and shows up in goon org thread, a deal is worked out to which he agrees, that he'd take a picture with goon diplomat at PAX AUS so as to RP sign a 'peace treaty', since his war was never officially ended since that time.
*Bexter chickens out, and claims he never agreed to it at all, proving himself to, in fact, be a pussy on top of a batshit insane roleplayer.

TL;DR: Just your average day on the RSI forums.



HAHAHA, wow, better than I imagined.

quote:

History

Razed Earth Inc was founded by Alan Bexter shortly after he mustered out of the UEE Marine Corps. It was taken over in 2922 by Azrael Bexter after the mysterious disappearance of his brother.

In the two decades since then, Razed Earth Inc has become ubiquitous with elite mercenary services. It has become a vast paramilitary organisation specialising in everything from routine fighter escorts to full scale military intervention, black ops and assassination.

ZenMaster fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 25, 2016

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



trucutru posted:

:thejoke: you idiot.

yes, the joke is that you play puzzle and dragons

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Only registered members can see post attachments!

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Scruffpuff posted:

So the backpedaling in today's 10FTC begins at 6:00 PM EST right?
You say "backpedaling", they say "revamping"...

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Solarin posted:

Your point really shows how much CIG has to lose by delivering anything. People are buying a fantasy - ridiculous grindy poo poo mechanics like grabby handing your cargo, and drink serving minigames are really fun in fantasy. They reinforce the expectation of acievement, status and purpose that whales are buying in to.

Those who see this as a game in development, not a rich fantasy life, may wonder how the gently caress this mess of gameplay systems will produce a fun, cohesive experience that can be enjoyed by real life people. I think this things best chance of fun is the collapsed house of cards approach. Many barely implemented systems collapse in on each other and the result is a novel, semi-playable mess that kinda works. I'm not sure if this works when the core design is so clearly robbed of passion by the visionary in charge.

I believe EightAce when he says no SQ42 in 2016. As long as people keep buying fantasy then an actual game release is a dire threat to their revenue.

At some point there will be a critical threshold over which the community will no longer tolerate their failures. I wonder what the tipping point will be.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

At some point there will be a critical threshold over which the community will no longer tolerate their failures. I wonder what the tipping point will be.

the first time Chris Roberts says 'no we won't be implementing that bit of wish fulfillment'

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Prop Wash posted:

yes, the joke is that you play puzzle and dragons

again, :thejoke: It is a bad game and I play it. How can you be this dumb?

Edit: Anyways, back to the other set of idiots: I have time today so I'm eagerly awaiting the news about Space Marine. Does it exist? did they ever say that it would exist? who knows.

trucutru fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 25, 2016

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Gravy Boat 2k

lol, this is great

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