Dapper Dan posted:

- The baby PU is done. It will never get improved or go beyond what it is. When they considered it a large chunk finished, they meant it.

- Squadron 42 will no longer have gameplay and is just a movie or will be akin to a telltale game

And at the end of the day, people will realize Derek Smart was right all along. I cannot imagine how much that will burn some people.

Dapper Dan posted:

I do think that someone will end up in jail or at least pennieless. Like Chris being in a refrigerator box doing hand gestures to no one on the street. You simply cannot take 100 million of people's money, use it on poo poo that they did not give it to you for and simply expect the government not to notice. Videogame or not. Kickstarters have already been punished for doing so. The FTC will go after them for it.

fuctifino posted:

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D_Smart posted:
ps: I have a third meeting with the Feds on Feb 3rd, and another with State officials on Feb 17th. That is all.

Agrajag posted:

i do have to wonder about this. going by their recent refund refusal emails it seems they are angling for donations aspect of crowdfunding, or was that just the true believers saying that? i cant even tell the difference anymore.

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Any company that hasn't got its workforce constantly working, is losing money.

D_Smart posted:

It's not. It's pretty damning stuff known only to less than five people; three of whom are at the top. Which leaves very little wiggle room to protect sources. Still trying to figure out a way around it. It's very - very - bad.

Making it Rain posted:

also the PU in it's current form is what you see is what you get cause they're isn't any more.

Booblord Zagats posted:

D_Smart posted:

And since I have no intentions (at this time) of suing Chris or CIG/RSI over his defamatory diatribe (in his response to The Escapist), since that's just going to be a waste of time given how long it would take to slog through that and get to the Star Citizen part, I am left with no choice but to do precisely what I said I would do: get the State and Fed authorities involved so that THEY can go take a look and determine what's best for the consumer. After all, that's precisely what the FTC (a Fed agency) is for.

fuctifino posted:

It's from a couple of days ago, but made me lol

Thirsty Dog posted:

Dear thread, I was on the tube in London a few days ago and snapped a photo under the guise of admiring some awesome eyebrows. Can you confirm that the weird guy on the left is actually wearing a star citizen patch on his coat?

Jon Do posted:

We're talking about the United States and white collar crime. People gave someone money on the internet of their own free will, and were promised things --- but not in a way that CIG, etc would be held responsible to. Crowdfunding and all. Especially now that they've labelled this a final release.

Call me cynical, but I doubt there will be jail or homelessness. He might have to take a lovely job from one of his industry friends, but I bet he even keeps the McMansion he bought (allegedly) on jpeg money. He'll just be a joke, but not as big of a joke as the backers. He'll lose the wife, though. She seems to be in it for the money.

Making it Rain posted:

That's pretty much what i'm thinking. Except i think they've made a boo boo with that Squadron 42 and it's not going to resemble what they have marketed it to be.

also the PU in it's current form is what you see is what you get cause they're isn't any more.

D_Smart posted:

Outside of the fact that they drew first blood.

D_Smart posted:

Worst of all? Their actions have made it such that outside of a very small group of people, most are happy to spill the beans. Why? Because of how they are being treated, how the company is handling the project, and the direction that the project is going in.

It is an amazing thing when you are privy to insider (being an employee, contractor or whatever) information, while seeing the public facing bullshit the company is peddling. Anyone with a sliver of conscience is going to remember all those things; while keeping their head down and pulling a pay check for as long as possible.

And when you run a project in which 500+ people have been a part of it at some point or another and been made privy to dodgy things, now you have a problem with leaks. People WILL talk. People ARE talking. And it's about to get a whole lot worse.

Sarsapariller posted:

Haven't you, by saying that, already done the damage? Now it's evident that one of 5 people talked to you.

EminusSleepus posted:

lol DRAMA...CIG gave scam a new synonym its DRAMA

DigitalMocking posted:

two weeks.

AP posted:

It's not your fault whatever happens. The reddit folks are crazy and can't help themselves, collecting spaceships is an addiction for some and they are protecting their dealer. I liked the shiny spaceships too, I just pulled myself together after a few months when stuff started to seem fishy. It's not even entirely their fault they're so crazy, they've been encouraged all along the line.

D_Smart posted:

They've been playing a very bad game of "Derek Smart" poker with me. And losing. And I don't even play poker.

Skellybones posted:

That sounds like something a publisher would say.

fuctifino posted:

It's from a couple of days ago, but made me lol

Pogue Ma Hoon posted:

EightAce, I'm glad you're OK man. Please don't risk your job by spilling juicy bits of gossip to us.

PS Does she sorta move like a bird? With her head all darting around and poo poo?
Is Lesnick as intolerable as he seems? Apologies if you are Lesnick.

Agrajag posted:

i do have to wonder about this. going by their recent refund refusal emails it seems they are angling for donations aspect of crowdfunding, or was that just the true believers saying that? i cant even tell the difference anymore.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

No, it's all Chris's fault. Every bit of it. It's his program, his dream, his vision, his failure. He's the face of this monstrosity and I sincerely hope that his failures hound him for the rest of his life. Everything else, from Ben's incredible incompetence to Sandi's predatory marketing "genius", stems from him and his constant inability to deliver. The man does not care. Even now, with his community royally pissed off because he was dumb enough to admit how little he gives a poo poo about them, he's sitting in his reality distortion field assuming everything is fine. It's the Hitler bunker video all over again. I spent years contributing in an honest and earnest manner, providing thoughtful feedback on everything from the toxicity of the community to level design of ships. None of it matters because Chris Roberts is a fraud, a self-entitled embarrassment of a human being who surrounds himself with sycophants and culls anyone who dares question his nonexistent talents. He took the greatest opportunity ever given to a game developer, a blank check to build the game of his dreams, and squandered it. He has ruined lives, tarnished careers, uprooted families, wasted millions, and years later hasn't learned a single loving thing. I hope he spends the rest of his life as a punch line.

Anyone who works at Cloud Imperium Games and is reading this: Get Out Now. Please. You are quickly nearing the point where your affiliation with this clusterfuck is going to harm your career. The people who have left before you talk about how they are treated as refugees within the greater game dev community. That may not happen for much longer. This company will not fail gracefully. Look at 38 Studios and how those workers simply stop getting paid one day. That is your future, if CIG doesn't lay you off first. Look at your game. Really, truly, honestly look at the entirety of your project and what you are really delivering compared to what was promised. Is this a project that's on track? Is this a company that's well managed and has a viable delivery strategy? You know it's not. Get out.

D_Smart posted:

I get asked that a lot. And the answer remains the same.

Unlike other forums (which I don't visit anymore because I don't like being harassed amid the noise) where this farce is taking center stage, the fact that SA is self-policed, not a hug box, is critical to the decimation of information. You goof, someone's going to rip you a new one. On the spot. You excel, someone's going to notice it, and say something. Here, you get to take the hits and misses in stride.

Of course it helps that the level of humor is so pervasive that the common man will have a hard time deciding whether or not that spaghetti sauce recipe is somehow telling you it's laced with arsenic - because who looks at an SA recipe and decides to go cook it? With a straight face? Without somehow wondering if it's poison. I mean, nothing as innocent as that, slides by without someone thinking twice about it. And when you have to sift through pages and pages of recipes, you become self-aware, hardly noticing that, just few pages back, someone was doing an effort post about the suicidal tendencies of people spending thousands on JPEG ships.

The SA forums have always - to me - been that closet at your old house.

You grow up, but still have the memories. Then once in awhile, you drive by to see how the house is doing.

Then one day the new owners happen to be home. You knock on the door to say hi.

They greet you, and ask you in.

Then promptly knock you out, and toss you in the closet, just for shits 'n giggles.

And go make tea. And offer you some. As if nothing happened.

You're sitting there, still slightly stunned - drinking tea. And wondering just how hosed up the new residents are. Just like the old ones.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

No, it's all Chris's fault. Every bit of it. It's his program, his dream, his vision, his failure. He's the face of this monstrosity and I sincerely hope that his failures hound him for the rest of his life. Everything else, from Ben's incredible incompetence to Sandi's predatory marketing "genius", stems from him and his constant inability to deliver. The man does not care. Even now, with his community royally pissed off because he was dumb enough to admit how little he gives a poo poo about them, he's sitting in his reality distortion field assuming everything is fine. It's the Hitler bunker video all over again. I spent years contributing in an honest and earnest manner, providing thoughtful feedback on everything from the toxicity of the community to level design of ships. None of it matters because Chris Roberts is a fraud, a self-entitled embarrassment of a human being who surrounds himself with sycophants and culls anyone who dares question his nonexistent talents. He took the greatest opportunity ever given to a game developer, a blank check to build the game of his dreams, and squandered it. He has ruined lives, tarnished careers, uprooted families, wasted millions, and years later hasn't learned a single loving thing. I hope he spends the rest of his life as a punch line.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

It's amazing and horrible to me that the focus of their ire is still on a backer they banned from their forums making them look ridiculous. Beer didn't even have to try, and even now he's continuing to own them without even having to do anything. They're jumping up on their expensive tables and waving their arms around over something their idiot backers don't even believe is real. It's just unfathomable to me that they'd look away from all these people, their backers actually stirring to be angry and going "Nah it's fine let's ignore them."

It's just as Beer said earlier. Trust is not something you can easily get back once you've started to lose it. Blind faith is near impossible to regain once you've violated that trust, and it's all self-inflicted wounding at this point.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

No, it's all Chris's fault. Every bit of it. It's his program, his dream, his vision, his failure. He's the face of this monstrosity and I sincerely hope that his failures hound him for the rest of his life. Everything else, from Ben's incredible incompetence to Sandi's predatory marketing "genius", stems from him and his constant inability to deliver. The man does not care. Even now, with his community royally pissed off because he was dumb enough to admit how little he gives a poo poo about them, he's sitting in his reality distortion field assuming everything is fine. It's the Hitler bunker video all over again. I spent years contributing in an honest and earnest manner, providing thoughtful feedback on everything from the toxicity of the community to level design of ships. None of it matters because Chris Roberts is a fraud, a self-entitled embarrassment of a human being who surrounds himself with sycophants and culls anyone who dares question his nonexistent talents. He took the greatest opportunity ever given to a game developer, a blank check to build the game of his dreams, and squandered it. He has ruined lives, tarnished careers, uprooted families, wasted millions, and years later hasn't learned a single loving thing. I hope he spends the rest of his life as a punch line.

Anyone who works at Cloud Imperium Games and is reading this: Get Out Now. Please. You are quickly nearing the point where your affiliation with this clusterfuck is going to harm your career. The people who have left before you talk about how they are treated as refugees within the greater game dev community. That may not happen for much longer. This company will not fail gracefully. Look at 38 Studios and how those workers simply stop getting paid one day. That is your future, if CIG doesn't lay you off first. Look at your game. Really, truly, honestly look at the entirety of your project and what you are really delivering compared to what was promised. Is this a project that's on track? Is this a company that's well managed and has a viable delivery strategy? You know it's not. Get out.