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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I don't know what the exchange rate is for dreams, but I figured any cost savings afforded by screwing over your employees were offset by the inherent inefficiencies associated with running four studios in three companies. I don't mean that rhetorically, I actually mean, why the gently caress did they open four studios thousands of miles (and in one case a whole ocean) apart?
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is there a celebratory thread somewhere for people who finally got their money out of SC? I just sold an account I paid $140 for to a redditor for $200. phew.
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trucutru posted:The entry-level packages are 45 bucks and they come with a cheapo ship. A regular, non-crap (supposedly, they are pretty crap in-game) ship sells for 75-150 dollars. Entry-level spergwagons go for around $250 and the most expensive thing is 2.5k. if there were 600 new backers a day, CIG wouldnt need to go on reddit and beg people to play Arena Commander it's just a handful of whales buying everything on multiple accounts i wish i was wrong
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trucutru posted:The entry-level packages are 45 bucks and they come with a cheapo ship. A regular, non-crap (supposedly, they are pretty crap in-game) ship sells for 75-150 dollars. Entry-level spergwagons go for around $250 and the most expensive thing is 2.5k. How many of these ships are playable right now?
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Popular Human posted:How many of these ships are playable right now? define playable i mean, seriously, define it and you'll have done more design documentation than an entire company with 100 million dollars
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Jan 29, 2016 22:15
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AP posted:A 2nd producer appears. Neither one of them is the same caliber as Jason, Alex or any of the others who have left. And Randy is not a producer. Heck, these guys were hired back in 2015.
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Jan 29, 2016 22:16
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D_Smart posted:e. Eric's not a "dev" and doesn't share the sort of credentials that Jason has. Look at his LinkedIn profile for more info It says "Senior Producer", though. Like, how does that not make him a producer who's shipped a game?
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Jan 29, 2016 22:18
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Popular Human posted:How many of these ships are playable right now? Of the big ones? None (out of a dozen, lol). Medium ones? Three (constellation, bomber, space truck) Small ones? A bunch. There is a diagram that show the incredible amount of progress they have made. Someone should post it again.
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Jan 29, 2016 22:18
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Especially if a bunch of people get fired at once. Like the whole company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOxMtlHRcE&list=LLiuVX2traAHMLPX_zTLWRsw&index=16
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This is all extremely good and I'm very glad of it.
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Madcosby posted:define playable lol
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Popular Human posted:For real, though, how are they still pulling in 60-70k PER DAY in funding. Are those numbers fudged, or are people really still buying in to that degree three years in? 1. People are dumb 2. Whales gonna whale (see point 1) 3. There's still plenty of SC coverage in press that's uncritical / optimistic 4. People see the $100 million and assume that with that much money it's sure to be a success and from pages back: A number of years before he died, Ebert got bone cancer and had to have his jaw removed. GIS and you see the result. 
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trucutru posted:Of the big ones? None (out of a dozen, lol). oh wow. WOW. I thought at least these guys were flying their ships around making pew-pew noises at each other waiting for the VERSE to OPEN UP for CONQUEST. Jesus, this really is something else, huh?
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what's with all the people posting spoilers? putting spoilers doesn't stop non-goons reading it does it? Otherwise you could You need a Platinum account to read this message lol
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Jan 29, 2016 22:22
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Popular Human posted:oh wow. WOW. I thought at least these guys were flying their ships around making pew-pew noises at each other waiting for the VERSE to OPEN UP for CONQUEST. Jesus, this really is something else, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7z3Undbn0 here's a video showing what "playable" state means to Roberts this is considered playable, and thus CIG has delivered on their promises. No more refunds. Game is out. Welcome to the verse, commando
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Klyith posted:2. Whales gonna whale (see point 1) I guess that makes sense. I'd forgotten there were people out there who did things like spend thousands of dollars in free-to-play MMO's in order to have the biggest ship or the nicest house. The lure of being able to do that in a game that was advertised as the next-generation of open world space gaming must be pretty strong.
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Klyith posted:A number of years before he died, Ebert got bone cancer and had to have his jaw removed. GIS and you see the result. Cripes, that sounds awful. Like...I get why dipshits on the internet go full retard, and wish crap like TotalBiscuit dying of the cancer he's got upon critics and visible people they disagree with, but hearing poo poo like this actually happen just...yea, snaps you back to reality. I sincerely don't want  to die of heart failure even now. Just yea, that's deffo where he's headed if he keeps his poo poo up at CIG.
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MMD3 posted:is there a celebratory thread somewhere for people who finally got their money out of SC? 
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Popular Human posted:oh wow. WOW. I thought at least these guys were flying their ships around making pew-pew noises at each other waiting for the VERSE to OPEN UP for CONQUEST. Jesus, this really is something else, huh? Most of them are flying what looks like a space heat-sink with a windshield. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tnx5w5EwJw23lPYhHdlHs5g/htmlview check how many "capital", "multi-crew", "or large" are flyable. (Bear in mind that the data comes from know liar company CIG).
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CrazyLoon posted:I sincerely don't want For real, I feel bad for that guy. For someone as in love with Wing Commander as him to get to work directly under Roberts, it's got to be like a childhood dream come true. I imagine if the person who was behind that thing I loved when I was a teenager asked me to help him make a whole new generation of that thing, I'd swallow a metric ton of bullshit to grab that opportunity.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If you base the numbers off of Frontier (who has a company of similar size but only one location) then the rough estimate is that they require $100K per day of income to keep the doors open. Thanks. I think most folks underestimate the overhead required for employees. I have to imagine that they are atypical, 80% of operational expenses are salaries.
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sebmojo posted:what's with all the people posting spoilers? putting spoilers doesn't stop non-goons reading it does it? Otherwise you could You need a Platinum account to read this message lol I like the non-plat members typing it out with spoiler tags just to gently caress with non-regs. They'll never know which ones are real or fake.
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Found it! Frolic in the glory of that chart! BTW "in production" means "stop pestering us, you loving nerds".
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Madcosby posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7z3Undbn0 that's an interesting question: what is the absolute bare minimum product CIG would have to get off the ground and running in order to have technically fulfilled their original Kickstarter promises and shield themselves from repercussions? I don't think poo poo like Star Marine was part of the original pitch, so...basically something like a stripped-down version of Elite: Dangerous?
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Popular Human posted:that's an interesting question: what is the absolute bare minimum product CIG would have to get off the ground and running in order to have technically fulfilled their original Kickstarter promises and shield themselves from repercussions? I don't think poo poo like Star Marine was part of the original pitch, so...basically something like a stripped-down version of Elite: Dangerous? They have already delivered on the multiplayer front. So now they just have to produce the single player campaign.
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Popular Human posted:For real, I feel bad for that guy. For someone as in love with Wing Commander as him to get to work directly under Roberts, it's got to be like a childhood dream come true. I imagine if the person who was behind that thing I loved when I was a teenager asked me to help him make a whole new generation of that thing, I'd swallow a metric ton of bullshit to grab that opportunity. Especially if they're Chris Roberts.
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there's like 20 ships they still have to do, Ben doesn't want to commit on them being finished by the end of 2016
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Does he have experience releasing a game? I thought you said none of the producers left have shipped a product. The guy who makes JPEGs can say he has "shipped a game". That's not how that works. A snr producer has a specific role that requires a specific skillset to qualify for that job position. That's why it's one of the most difficult positions to fill. Bar none. Neither Eric Davis, nor Randy Vasquez will fill that role anywhere other than at CIG. In fact, Randy is a technical designer (totally different role) and not a producer, let alone a snr producer Ex: Travis Day https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-day-62bbb27 Alex Mayberry : https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-mayberry-166325 Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Cinematics guy takes over overall production Yes. Pretty much. https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/693181420001435648 https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/693181649538912256 https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/693181887439884288 D_Smart fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Happy Sisyphus posted:yea but Frontier probably pays their employees does cig do that? I bet CiG pays in Company Scrip so the employees are basicly owned by the company store. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0 just feels like it could easily apply to CiG for some reason.
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MMD3 posted:is there a celebratory thread somewhere for people who finally got their money out of SC? Congratulations commando. Sold a package I paid $80 for, to a reddit for $105.
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tooterfish posted:I still don't understand why they opened four studios. It makes sense to a degree, but yeah they could have just had their Santa Monica office or just stuck to Austin and been just as well off. Assuming they could hire/retain talent that are comparable to those in the UK/Germany. Which assumes Chris Roberts & his management team aren't perpetually acting dumb. Multiple offices across several countries isn't absurd nor unheard of, but CIG really haven't done much with them at all compared to other companies.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Yup, he did. I assumed that he wouldn't accuse a customer of something like that without being told to, because exposing your company to getting sued really is a way to get fired and he doesn't come off as the type of person who would do that. I'm sure he's a nice guy but the CIG customer support staff twitter accounts all follow that Kevin Dent guy. Now I could see them chatting and following Dickwulf or any of the other crazy fans of the game, good sense to keep the whales sweet that have your bosses direct email address and might send you pizza, but Dent wasn't interested in the game, just trolling Derek with bollocks. Customer support staff aren't immune to being taken in by all this too and that's not even considering their paycheck comes from it.
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Has anyone yet pointed out that this monstrosity would have a net rotational inertia unless the boxes are of different weights? I know, there are computers to compensate for gyroscopic precession when turning, and it's not at all that the people designing this hard sci-fi full of fidelity don't know high school physics.
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G0RF posted:No, I'm not sure who that guy is. I always assumed he was serious because drat, some of them really are. And they are the ones worth parodying with meta-troll believer accounts. haha I think someone shared that bit about Oculus costing as much as a starliner here. That was funny. And Captain Richard is generally a pretty cool dude. For a while he was in the org that I was in (I guess technically still am) and I chatted with him a bit. He hasn't been streaming all that long, IIRC.
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AugmentedVision posted:Has anyone yet pointed out that this monstrosity would have a net rotational inertia unless the boxes are of different weights? I know, there are computers to compensate for gyroscopic precession when turning, and it's not at all that the people designing this hard sci-fi full of fidelity don't know high school physics. wouldn't olisar have one too? i forget if it has the one ring visible from the pad or multiple ones
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Unfunny Poster posted:Multiple offices across several countries isn't absurd nor unheard of, but CIG really haven't done much with them at all compared to other companies. The kicker is they didn't grow into the position organically, starting small, having successful releases, building a reputation, and eventually having multiple studios. Instead, Chris got the money, and opened studios all over the world in a bid to appear like a big studio. Amazing amount of cash that could have gone to development basically was given to him to play "big time game producer and developer." Backers are waking up, and it'll be fun to see all these studios shut down one by one.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:wouldn't olisar have one too? i forget if it has the one ring visible from the pad or multiple ones Olisar is the station, no? I mean IRL spaceships spin all the time, it's just that IRL spaceships (and space stations) mostly sit in orbit doing nothing. It's only a stupid design for something that's supposed to be steered on a regular basis.
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Unfunny Poster posted:It makes sense to a degree, but yeah they could have just had their Santa Monica office or just stuck to Austin and been just as well off. For a company producing their FIRST GAME it's ridiculous. You shouldn't be expanding your company on a global scale before even releasing a product. I imagine at least a quarter of their money went into opening all that poo poo plus the mocap studios.
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AP posted:I'm sure he's a nice guy but the CIG customer support staff twitter accounts all follow that Kevin Dent guy. Now I could see them chatting and following Dickwulf or any of the other crazy fans of the game, good sense to keep the whales sweet that have your bosses direct email address and might send you pizza, but Dent wasn't interested in the game, just trolling Derek with bollocks. Kevin Dent didn't just set out to troll Derek. His original intent was to push the narrative that the game was doing great and that CIG were doing great things. He openly colluded with DickWulf on Twitter, like a moron, to do all of this. He's not a very smart guy by any stretch of the imagination. Ever since posting a bunch of bullshit praise for CIG, after the Escapist article, he took up the part time job of attempting to troll Derek. My personal favorite being calling himself "Derek's Dad Kevin". That was a real original one there. Yeah, real piece of work that guy.
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