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Kashuno posted:I think they're both town you dumb dumb What are you even replying to here? I'm not talking about Samfu because you didn't say you'd vote him.  Kashuno posted:right now, I think you're scum. Your handling of your cop investigations is horrendous and not town positive in any way. I know you're not going to agree, but I could really give a poo poo less what you think.Not feeling good about SSV right now either. I cooled on KK because the amount of tunneling is just dumb over the top obvious if he is scum, so therefore he is much more likely to be town. I don't find samfu particularly scummy and involved in a stupid pissing match with KK. Kashuno posted:In fact, right now I'd vote out eitheer of you just so we can keep playing mafia. You said you think KK is most likely to be town in the first post and in the next one you say you'd vote him just to keep playing mafia.
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Khris Kruel posted:oh shut the gently caress up, your theories have been way worse this game, especially the ones around the lynch I think I misread your other post  TMMadman posted:What are you even replying to here? I'm not talking about Samfu because you didn't say you'd vote him. And you misread mine. Either refers to KK or Samfu, sorry.
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Khris Kruel posted:I don't want to kill lurkers, I want to kill Sam I am paying attention. You've said you think Sam is scum but if he ends up being town, you think it's the lurkers. So you seem to be completely ruling out the active posters.
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Kashuno posted:No one knows you're town except you dude, leaving you alive is an easy choice for scum because your tunneling bullshit is sus as gently caress and they can just chill and wait. Your logic doesn't follow at all, it's just you trying to build a narrative to suit your slapfight. that's fine that I'm the only one to think I'm town, but I'm not going to entertain an idea that I'm scum, because I know I'm not
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TMMadman posted:I am paying attention. You've said you think Sam is scum but if he ends up being town, you think it's the lurkers. So you seem to be completely ruling out the active posters. I would look at lurkers, but if the scum kills them during the night, I wouldn't be. I'm not ruling out active posters, but I'd rather worry about it after day 2
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Khris Kruel posted:that's fine that I'm the only one to think I'm town, but I'm not going to entertain an idea that I'm scum, because I know I'm not I need a game where you and TMM are both scum 
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Khris Kruel posted:I would look at lurkers, but if the scum kills them during the night, I wouldn't be. I'm not ruling out active posters, but I'd rather worry about it after day 2 This is the dumbest logic I've ever loving heard. Tomorrow is lylo unless we hit scum today. I don't think Samfu is scum and although I could be wrong, I'm not inclined to vote for him at this time. If Samfu was scum, he could have easily moved his vote to a town Hal yesterday and gotten a way easier lynch.
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Khris Kruel posted:the idea that active posters are scum isn't something I've ruled out. Or you know, scum will kill me (the cop and an active poster) and a lurker just so that you have no idea what's going on.
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Votecount for Day 2  Samfucius (1): Khris Kruel, TMMadman (1): Khris Kruel, Kashuno (1): TMMadman Khris Kruel (0): Samfucius, Not Voting (5): imgay, Kashuno, Samfucius, SirSamVimes, spacing in viennaWith 8 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 01st, 2016 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 9 hours.
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TMMadman posted:Or you know, scum will kill me (the cop and an active poster) and a lurker just so that you have no idea what's going on. good, I don't have to hear your bullshit tomorrow
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TMMadman posted:This is the dumbest logic I've ever loving heard. he got the Hal lynch without moving his vote, you have the shittiest logic
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Shut the gently caress up so the lurkers can post more. This has gotten farcical. Tomm and SSV, what's good?
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Samfucius posted:Shut the gently caress up so the lurkers can post more. This has gotten farcical. how about you post an original thought, dumbass. You haven't given any thoughts about anyone besides me and TMM. Tell us what you think about everyone in the game
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I find this whole exhange to be a fanciful waste of time. Also wowee isn't it almost time for tmm to post his results
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imgay posted:I find this whole exhange to be a fanciful waste of time. Also wowee isn't it almost time for tmm to post his results he did, he got town on me
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Kashuno posted:right now, I think you're scum. Your handling of your cop investigations is horrendous and not town positive in any way. I know you're not going to agree, but I could really give a poo poo less what you think.Not feeling good about SSV right now either. I cooled on KK because the amount of tunneling is just dumb over the top obvious if he is scum, so therefore he is much more likely to be town. I don't find samfu particularly scummy and involved in a stupid pissing match with KK. Here's the thing: I think if TMM was scum, he'd claim to have exonerated some townie he likes, or claim that he got a scum read on KK -- I don't think he'd undermine his own claim by going "okay, I got town on him BUT I STILL THINK HE IS SCUM." I just think he's playing badly (because: TMM). TMMadman posted:Also, why in the hell would lurking scum kill lurkers? It doesn't make sense because lurking scum almost always want the game to continue lurking. I think it's way more likely that scum are active posters in this game. As scum, I kill lurkers because (a) gently caress lurkers and (b) it gives fewer hints as to drawing connections between players. I often get outvoted on that, though. As scum I also don't lurk, because I'm generally a talkative person as scum or town, and it'd be super noticeable if I faded into the background. There is nothing that scum universally Do or Don't Do. it's all WIFOM. If Samfu and KK are both town, then scum are just sitting back and letting them slapfight. imgay, what's up with you this game? Okay I have an idea for helping the thread get active again, hrm.
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I think scum killing lurkers just means the scum is dumb more than anything
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Jan 31, 2016 22:19
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Khris Kruel posted:I think scum killing lurkers just means the scum is dumb more than anything Who do you push to kill when you're scum? This is curiosity, not related to the current game. Everyone has different reasons for who they off, and I like hearing other peoples' reasons. (Also I have been NK'd N1 in like 2 games in a row, and I'm always curious why I was a target.) I'm working on a huge effing megapost in the meantime; nearly done.
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I originally had this as a wall-o-text but that seems loving insane so I broke it into chunks. I just did a huge re-read of everyone, individually, and pulled out a few things I want to ask each of you about. I used the list in the OP and that's what the order is, here, in case you are all wondering, so let's start with imgay. imgay loudly complained in his intro post about not being scum, which people assumed was LAMIST on his part. imgay, you were sure Hal was scum on D1 -- why? Who's your best read now? And what's with the worse-than-usual typing?
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kash, you thought imgay was scum D1. Do you still? Do you believe TMM's cop claim? Your progression from thinking KK was scum to believing him to be townie feels legit to me, and not like you forced the process along.Kashuno posted:I think between you tunneling on Samfu, and TMM being a moron, we are going to ignore other people who are likely to lurk by to victory. Kashuno posted:In fact, right now I'd vote out eitheer of you just so we can keep playing mafia. Don't resign yourself to offing someone who is slapfighting if you aren't sure that one of them is scum. Go re-read people who you feel are lurking and see if anything jumps out at you. Who's your best read right now?
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Killing lurkers doesn't mean scum are dumb, it means they have a sense of sportsmanship.
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Khris Kruel posted:just to clarify because I don't want to edit, the third vote on someone random is always scum. Not that he was the third person to vote in the thread or something BTW, KK, I've been assuming you were being obnoxious and overstating things to stir discussion, and that includes pushing old maxims like "THIRD VOTE = SCUM." Is that what you were doing? It's also possible that you came in big because you are, in fact, the godfather, and wanted to draw attention so the cop would focus on you. merk pulled that gambit in a previous game (where I was the cop, and felt dumb for falling for it). Are your reads really just "samfu OR a lurker"? It's hard to say who's lurking at this point, given we had two deaths and two replacements, and I'm sure people are getting burned out on the slapfighting.
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SirSamVimes posted:Killing lurkers doesn't mean scum are dumb, it means they have a sense of sportsmanship.  more fun to win when you beat the people who are actually playing.
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SSV you haven't given many reads at all. You've said you don't know if you believe TMM -- thus saying you don't believe him or disbelieve him -- and you're pushing to get either KK or Samfu lynched because you think the clusterfuck is distracting, not because you're sure that one of the two of them is scum. It seems like you've got justifications for your potential votes, more than reasons, if that makes sense? I'm getting a neutral vibe on you right now, which concerns me, because I generally assume you're town-as-gently caress even when you're scum. It may just be because you just replaced it, but it's worth noting anyway. (We still bros.)
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Tomm you've also shrugged and said you're not sure what anyone might be. You spent your first several posts explaining that TMM does this a lot, and is probably town, and then backtracked to talking yourself into voting him. It doesn't read like authentic reasoning. Why did you change your mind? It doesn't help your case that I didn't like Rarity's posting D1, but I can't really ask you about that. 
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Samfu why did you claim VT with no reasoning or pressure? On a reread I still just don't like some of your posts, like: Samfucius posted:D1 cop claim under no pressure, wowie zowie. how bizarrely flat and neutral this is, as well as: Samfucius posted:I'm not scum and that lynch ain't happening how confident you are here, and there's also: Samfucius posted:How do you feel about this now? (in re: KK saying you and Opop were scumbros, which feels like "Hey, look! Opop was town, therefore I probably am, too" which is lovely logic at its finest.) But this explanation: Samfucius posted:Any time someone votes me I have to take an extra second to make sure I'm not OMGUS'ing. That's really all it was, "is he being scummy or is he just accidentally voting for town?" I can actually see this, and it's giving me pause. I can't tell if your phrasing is just seeming awkward and forced to me, or if you're being awkward and forced. You posted much more D1 than today, and you unvoted KK, so who do you think is scum now? (And do I win a prize for the secret word? I didn't get a prize.  )
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TMM your behavior is weirdly inconsistent, as scum, town, OR third-party, so I'm not even sure why I'm typing this up, but here we go.TMMadman posted:Chances are I'm not going to pick out the scum in the group, but my investigation will clear someone. What bugs me here is that yesterday you were pushing hard how reliable your results would be and how unlikely it was that you'd hit the GF, and how everyone reminding you that mafia is more than the sum of its investigation / night results was TRYING TO DISCREDIT A COP!!! .... and then you get a result you don't like, sit on it for a while, and announce that clearly you found the GF, without seeming to spot any hypocrisy to that whatsoever. Why investigate KK if you were going to vote him whether he came up "town" or "scum"? TMMadman posted:There we go, that's the scum vote. Were you serious about this, or was this a "vote someone to spur discussion" move? If so, I think you'd give KK less of a hard time for essentially doing the same thing. Also, you pushed Sam again at the end of D1 while loudly saying that you felt either KK or Kash were the scum, and while making detailed cases against Rarity. When Sam might actually gain momentum, you shifted, with the reasoning: TMMadman posted:Nah. I've decided that I'm going to believe his VT claim since I think people should believe my cop claim. This seems like you're coming up with an excuse to move your vote away from Sam, not like a legitimate mental process. Especially since you voted Sam twice beforehand, and proceed to announce point-blank that you won't vote him as we tick down to deadline: TMMadman posted:I'm not switching to Sam. You haven't mentioned him at all today, except to say that a scum Sam would have lynched Hal (and ... we did lynch Hal, just without his help, so I'm not sure that's the exoneration you think it is.) Why are you defending him? Just because you decided to believe his claim? You've never given an actual reason for your change of heart.
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spacing in vienna posted:Tomm you've also shrugged and said you're not sure what anyone might be. You spent your first several posts explaining that TMM does this a lot, and is probably town, and then backtracked to talking yourself into voting him. It doesn't read like authentic reasoning. Why did you change your mind? The more I went on the more tmm convinced me to go with my gut. As I said, it's early days and it not like there isn't a possibility of changing my vote. I can't do much about raritys posting.
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spacing in vienna posted:Who do you push to kill when you're scum? I would go for the balance of "everyone thinks their town" and active poster. Even town lurkers are hindrance to the town, while scummy active posters have too much WIFOM to kill. Depends on the situation, but all things being equal, I go for the middle of the road players
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spacing in vienna posted:BTW, KK, I've been assuming you were being obnoxious and overstating things to stir discussion, and that includes pushing old maxims like "THIRD VOTE = SCUM." Is that what you were doing? I started the third vote = scum thing. It was based on IRC when we would play hundreds of games quickly. It's not really true, but it's just a way to piss everyone off and get discussion started. This was way back in 2008. I hate the joke vote phase and usually come up with some new fresh way to get discussion started in games. Sam's reaction to it was of course OMGUS, which is scummy as hell. I don't discuss scenarios where I'm scum, because I have information you don't. You can if you want though, I don't blame ya. I don't think we really have any lurkers in Day 2. I'm not confident who I think the 2nd scum is, it's not something I really think about until day 3 where the field is narrowed down. Sam being scum with half the field is definitely viable in scenarios, especially with so many defending him when he has done nothing townie at all in the game. Also you asked why you get killed during N1. It's because you are a very good poster with the right mindset for this type of game, and everyone thinks you're town. You are definitely a thorn in scum's side if you are not scum
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spacing in vienna posted:Samfu why did you claim VT with no reasoning or pressure? On a reread I still just don't like some of your posts, like: My tone is probably just throwing you off. That's the unfortunate side effect of text-only communication, but that's okay. I believe TMM so he and KK are off the hook today barring crazy developments. If you're both scum, you sure fooled me. Out of everyone else you and imgay are my biggest scum reads. Imgay is, weirdly enough, not shitposting enough. He could be bored or distracted but my past games with him tell me he generally posts a good deal more than this. Besides from some Hal stuff he hasn't really done anything. Your recent effort posts (like this one) are making me second guess that though. I really hate replacements because I never know what to think about them, it resets my reads.
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Tommunist posted:The more I went on the more tmm convinced me to go with my gut. As I said, it's early days and it not like there isn't a possibility of changing my vote. Do you think he's scum, or just acting scummy? I feel like a scum tmm would not reluctantly announce that kk was town but continue to case him. I realize that's heading down the path of wifom. Khris Kruel posted:I would go for the balance of "everyone thinks their town" and active poster. Even town lurkers are hindrance to the town, while scummy active posters have too much WIFOM to kill. Yeah, I never nk someone that I can possibly discredit and get lynched. I'm speaking in general terms, obviously, because scum is a team sport and those negotiations are always fascinating. I appreciate the compliment but I'm p sure I suck at mafia -- I can reason out cases that seem logical, and draw conclusions, and I'm usually wrong, that's a townie whoops gj self!  It's fun, though.
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spacing in vienna posted:Do you think he's scum, or just acting scummy? I feel like a scum tmm would not reluctantly announce that kk was town but continue to case him. I realize that's heading down the path of wifom. i woulnd't be voting for him if i didn't believe at this point that he was scum. I'm not gonna comment on tmm scum meta because zzzzzzzz
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Samfucius posted:My tone is probably just throwing you off. That's the unfortunate side effect of text-only communication, but that's okay. I got nailed repeatedly my first few Mafia games because I tend to speak in ways that come across as equivocating, like my natural tendency would be to go "I feel slightly like X is scum, but that could be because of Y, so I'm not sure" ... which obviously comes off as me trying to leave wiggle room and not have strong opinions. I had to train myself to stop doing that in these threads. I'm getting such a weird vibe from imgay, and I don't know what's up with that. Why am I your biggest scum read? My tone's sucked p hard this game, if it's that. There's some crappy RL poo poo going on with me, which I say just to explain why I might seem different, not as a pity grab / excuse. You wanna vote me, s'all good. Just curious.
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Hey, I spent a few hours in urgent care today because I got paranoid that my sprained wrist might have actually been a hairline fracture, but the good news is there is no break!  Then I was dealing with the Soldiers game and watching the NHL All Star game. Now I'm eating dinner, but I"ll see about making some posts in a little while. And yes, I will directly answer your post about me spacing.
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Tommunist posted:i woulnd't be voting for him if i didn't believe at this point that he was scum. I didn't mean that as accusatory, btw. Just that sometimes I catch myself voting for someone because "wow, what that person did is illogical and stupid and awful, they HAVE to be scum" and then realize I buy their claim but think they went about it badly, which means they wouldn't actually be scum in that scenario, if you're following the awful logical choo choo train.
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