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Metos posted:1) Not substantiated with anything? How about actually reading their posts? Wanting to kill off power roles and sacrifice them for a weird shot of possibly finding the mafia but if they play better than us actually just loving us over and costing us the powers permanently at a gain that could be too slow that we're all dead before the mafia are, how is that not a terrible scummy thing to suggest. it was terrible but the reasoning was too transparent to be scum, im h fuckken o
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Lumpen posted:Updated Can I change a suspicion to you just to make Jakep feel lonely?
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I caught up! 100% MOD CONFIRMED TOWN Asiina Kashuno - uncounterclaimed Miller ezpz Newbies who are acting townie Trasson TheCog People who say things I agree with and are probably town 100YrsofAttitude JakeP Mysterious people I'm not quite sure about (this list is in no particular order) Flying Leatherman AnonymousNarcotics Friction.123 Metos Lumpen Captain Foo Super Scum! GulagDolls imgay Tommunist King Burgundy I will explain my town and scum reads...in the next post!
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Telling someone to eat your rear end isn't an insult Foo
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Captain Foo posted:u can eat my rear end hi thanks for coming back! It makes me feel better about you.
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Friction.123 posted:Of course this is going to be construed as me defending FL more (I also think he is scum, but my reasons involve knowing my own role and that isn't a good reason), but I'm still going to give my honest opinion even if it kills me. Wait what? So you think Leatherman is scum but won't vote him because thecog thinks he's town and you trust thecog? Flying Leatherman posted:Again, signal to noise. I want to argue this with you because while I agree with your overall point white noise posting I don't think Tomm is the best example we have in this game. We have imgay, Gulag, Friction, Foo, and Tomm why not that are all kinda just posting somewhat irreverently. My money's still on imgay. Let's ignore that for me it's a meta case. Your point is about the noise to content ratio: imgay posted:100 for omgus, kash for being kash, and cog for defending me This post and the following two seem to be the only real posts in the game that are usefully about the game. Everything before is just him chatting. Gulag's, who's notorious for this type of behavior, has been relentlessly on point with his posts. He's clearly for the massclaim and has dropped down some soft votes, aside from his vote on Anon. There's hardly any noise and all content. Friction's post are really about the mass claim, a subject that seems to be helpful to talk about but really is just a smokescreen once your initial opinions have been laid down. Both he and gulag have this aspect in common. Even then the subject is about the game and it does provide content. I'm putting Foo in here since I had him up earlier, but I'm not really leaning scum on him at all at the moment. Before he started participating his posts were about very very little. I'd put him down as the most reminiscent of imgay. But he's actually posting and playing now and so he doesn't fall into this category. Finally Tomm has had some joke votes but when he notes here: Tommunist posted:guess joke phase is over he really seems to mean it. His votes carry weight as do his words and actions. Granted I don't agree with all of them and a lot of seems a bit pointless since he tends to post sentences at a time, but there's a lot more there. If we're talking really about sheer noise imgay's got everyone beat. And yet he's said a lot less content than anyone else that could be considered in that category. If that's what you're voting on I really think you'd be better served voting the one player who's very clearly just coasting.
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So I totally reversed my position on Trasson, and I want to explain why in case I happen to die in the night cause I think he'll get railroaded D2. I missed this post yesterday, but I believe in it Trasson posted:Why is Billy a ninja? How is Billy a ninja? Can we roll that into his custom BSG character somehow? This was just after the role PMs were added to the OP. This is Trasson 1) Not knowing the flavour of the scum players and 2) soft-claiming backup. I think he did the second one unintentionally. This doesn't feel like a calculated "I'm so townie!" scum post, but something more earnest. That combined with his explanation of his post from last night I already commented on, I very strongly think this guy is new town. As for scum, I've already explained KB. I don't think it's just a new playstyle of less effort, I think he was jumping on a bad lynch against someone who gets lynched easily D1 all the time. You can not put in huge effort into cases and still make non-lazy or opportunistic votes. imgay and Tommunist are the same for me. They've both been present but sniping and not providing anything of value. If I ordered them which I'd prefer it would be imgay, but mostly because Tommunist said he'd be away so he's not here to defend himself. I would really much rather vote KB though, since I think voting a shitposter isn't much better than voting a lurker in terms of usefulness going forward. As for Gulag I want to actually amend my list and add a new "sorta scummy" category with Foo, Lumpen, and Gulag where I have some gut feelings about them being scum, but they may just be style related feelings. For all of them something feels off, but I can't really pin it down. Would vote any to avoid a nolynch, but absolutely not my first choice.
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Trasson posted:100yrs comes out with a soft defense of gulag, a read on some other people, and then votes for imgay with no reasoning given. Later, he posts his reasoning: based on a meta read of how imgay has played as scum/town. Cog chimes in with a defense of imgay based on a couple of games he looked at; 100yrs brings up some others. A bit later he gives a final read on imgay, Friction, and Metos, standing by his vote. My meta reasoning on imgay wasn't after the fact. It just wasn't necessarily stated as such in the post itself. I should've been clearer. Also I don't agree with the plan as stated here: 100YrsofAttitude posted:These sort of logic games aren't something I'm particularly good at sussing out. Assuming you're right it seems like it could work, but it genuinely does not seem like a fun way to play the game at all. I'd rather be wrong with every one of my convictions and end up losing since it's more fun at yelling at everyone calling them fools and being denigrated back, as is really the true spirit of the Mafia game. I still haven't bothered to doublecheck his math, and I don't care to, because I'd rather not do the whole thing as stated here for those reasons. What I do agree on is the fact that power roles shouldn't be treated as sacred because they shouldn't become crutches that we rely on to win the game. We shouldn't still needlessly sacrifice them however. That's just a matter of belief of the role powers play in mafia.
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This is a pretty terrible time for a deadline for me, checking in while prepping and eating dinner, at least until my wife starts grumbling about it. Probably can't update the chart again before deadline, but I will be here at least the last 10 minutes to avoid nolynch.
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Asiina posted:As for scum, I've already explained KB. I don't think it's just a new playstyle of less effort, I think he was jumping on a bad lynch against someone who gets lynched easily D1 all the time. You can not put in huge effort into cases and still make non-lazy or opportunistic votes. My vote was not lazy or opportunistic. I will be proven right.
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Let's lynch someone now because I'm so very tired and I don't think I can stay up for another hour.
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Asiina posted:So I totally reversed my position on Trasson, and I want to explain why in case I happen to die in the night cause I think he'll get railroaded D2. I like this though and agree with it. Leaning away from you as scum.
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Don't think AN will happen today. Not really feeling Gulag, I agree with him. That leaves imgay as the only viable alternative to me currently floating. ##vote imgay
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Friction.123 posted:I mean sure if you wanna put words in my mouth. I would totally vote for FL. I'm very interested in how you drop out of the discussion, but only return to rebut an accusation against you within seconds of it being up. Who do you want to lynch? We have less than an hour.
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I am lying down on my couch. Sleep is imminent! Don't expect me to be around for a last second switch.
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Asiina posted:I am lying down on my couch. Sleep. Your health is more important than a mafia game. Fell better!
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Asiina posted:As for scum, I've already explained KB. I don't think it's just a new playstyle of less effort, I think he was jumping on a bad lynch against someone who gets lynched easily D1 all the time. You can not put in huge effort into cases and still make non-lazy or opportunistic votes. Reading through Imgay again and yeah there's absolutely nothing there that I'd count as useful, especially that fantastic addition to the conversation above. Tommunist its hard to tell since he hasn't posted in a while now once we got more actual conversation going, but I'd say imgay looks more scummy to me than him Foo I got happier about from his posts over my nighttime and was keen to unvote, but the recent set of them isn't doing it for me anymore. Could be the lovely style that makes him look good in the post count list but really counts for nothing. Agree with him though that there's not really a case of Anonymous narcotics. Adding my third option I'm happy to lynch tonight, Imgay
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Sorry man I have work that leaves me phone bound. Teaching a couple students how to not break a vacuum chamber when I'm not terribly good at it myself is not conducive to anything more than checking up on the thread from time to time. Reading imgays post history shows a bunch of single line no content posts. I'm looking at either KB or imgay for lynch, since my primary (FL) is an obvious no go. KB has at least put some effort into figuring things out so ##vote imgay
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Looking at the vote leaders I'm still not getting the cases on Gulag. Is it because he supports the mass claim? That's not out of character for him to be disruptive. Also like I've said when he's consistent with his word he tends to be town, as far as I can tell anyway. I don't agree with gulag but I'm not so sure he's scum. Asiina posted:As for scum, I've already explained KB. I don't think it's just a new playstyle of less effort, I think he was jumping on a bad lynch against someone who gets lynched easily D1 all the time. You can not put in huge effort into cases and still make non-lazy or opportunistic votes. He hasn't made a huge case. It's not really possible over that tiny vote. What's weird is that he's tunneling in on Anon over that. KB's definitely been scummier than gulag. King Burgundy posted:Right now I'd go AN, Asiina, and Tommunist. AN is the only one I have more than a gut feeling on, though. (I'd support a lurker cuddle as well) Again not sure what case you're trying to build on Anon. Her game's been fine so far. Asiina's not even got, that's just OMGUS. That said it's surprising you can't have anything else than a gut suspicion of players with the posts we've been offered. I think you just can't bend your arguments around players that you know to be town. Scratch Metos off of that list for me (he wasn't really ever on it, I just said his phrasing read as scummy until I could finally understand it). I would certainly vote KB. Friction.123 posted:KB has at least put some effort into figuring things out so Has he though? He hasn't really tried to figure out anything.
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Lumpen scum Leatherman scum Anarc Scum
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Has he though? He hasn't really tried to figure out anything. Moreso than imgay, however low that bar is.
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of the top 3 right now, gulag should know better than to advocate a massclaim d1 ##vote gulag
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Again not sure what case you're trying to build on Anon. Her game's been fine so far. Asiina's not even got, that's just OMGUS. That said it's surprising you can't have anything else than a gut suspicion of players with the posts we've been offered. I think you just can't bend your arguments around players that you know to be town. My gut treated me really well in my last game, so I'm possibly lending it more sway that I normally would. But I'm not trying to build a case on her at all. What case could I build? Since that initial spat of posts she has done the scum trick of vanishing to escape attention. If I get voted today, hopefully you look more closely at her going forward. But based on the suspicion graph, looks like it will probably be Gulag. And I agree I don't feel that one at all.
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I think the imgay vote is the easy vote. Lynching him will just give us a bunch of people saying "oh no, he didn't post anything, what a shame that we killed a townie!" I think KB falls in the "I'm doing things guys!" camp without really pushing any ideas. I won't be sad to see imgay go, he's useless, but I think KB is more suspicious. ##Vote: King Burgundy
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King Burgundy posted:Swap Asiina out of mine and sub in Jake instead. Kashuno posted:Lumpen scum 
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TheCog posted:I think the imgay vote is the easy vote. Lynching him will just give us a bunch of people saying "oh no, he didn't post anything, what a shame that we killed a townie!" imgay is never the easy vote.  But you wouldn't know that, being new.
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Of the vote leaders I'd vote Gulag. Putting my money where my mouth is since we're 29 minutes out. ##unvote ##vote GulagDolls
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 Votecount for Day 1   GulagDolls (6): Tommunist, AnonymousNarcotics, Friction.123, King Burgundy (4): Asiina, TheCog, Lumpen, imgay (4): Captain Foo, 100YrsofAttitude, King Burgundy, Friction.123 TheCog (1): AnonymousNarcotics, Friction.123, AnonymousNarcotics (1): TheCog, GulagDolls, King Burgundy, Friction.123 (0): Asiina, Metos (0): TheCog, Trasson (0): Lumpen, Tommunist (0): Asiina, Asiina (0): Tommunist, Captain Foo (0): JakeP, Metos, Kashuno (0): Tommunist, Not Voting (0):  With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 01st, 2016 at 7 p.m. EST -- that's in about 15 minutes.
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