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Kashuno posted:While I can excuse jake for the vote, I'm uncomfortable with both his and Foo's posting today so far. Why exactly? I haven't noticed anything in particular.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:26
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it's extra shitposty
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Feb 2, 2016 17:27
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Feb 2, 2016 17:39
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Friction.123 posted:I think Gulag is scum but lets be honest what the gently caress do we even know on day 1. Friction voted Gulag early on D1 after the whole debate over TheCog's proposition. He eventually gets cowed out of it by Asiina and Jake and posts this defense that opens him up to saying "Eh, D1 amirite?" Friction.123 posted:FL, KB, currently don't have a third. Phone bound and in lab but if I get to a computer soon enough I can make a more detailed write up. In answering Lumpen's 3 man question Friction doesn't give us a third. Even stranger he doesn't actually vote either of his choices at this point or later. He doesn't even vote for KB at all during the time that KB is one of the 3 vote leaders instead he votes imgay citing the fact that KB has made more nominal effort than imgay up to that point. He keeps this on imgay up to the -4 minute mark before voting gulag here: Friction.123 posted:Ok? it's flippant, unconvincing, and wholly disinterested. He had kept his vote on imgay for about 45 minutes but doesn't really push for it or advocate anyone else. But he was around to add to the last minute rush. As far as I can tell this was the worst vote to be put on gulag. The only other one that remains unexplained to me was Tomm's early vote. Was it serious or not, seeing as he voted Gulag after the latter claimed SK and just kinda left it there (this is probably because of the aforementioned bike trip.)
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Feb 2, 2016 17:42
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God damnit. This was supposed to go before my post of Friction. Whatever. The whole point of this series of posts of imgay,friction etc. was to better understand the rush at the end. Kashuno posted:of the top 3 right now, gulag should know better than to advocate a massclaim d1 ##vote gulag I think that Kash started the rush to Gulag with this post. It was then followed by Leatherman, imgay, Lumpen, and Friction. Leatherman and Lumpen both had their reasons stated pretty early on on Gulag and the move is natural enough: Flying Leatherman posted:3) GulagDolls, for pushing the massclaim idea really, really hard after even Cog had decided to drop it for the time being. Not caring about keeping power roles around and discounting negatives doesn't make sense to me from a Town perspective because they can help with finding scum and preventing nightkills. I get that power roles are ancillary to actual post analysis, and that's fine, but I think it's bad play to completely discount them, especially when mislynching makes a PR disappear for good (and this massclaim idea, if scum claim power roles, would certainly lead to mislynches). Leatherman came in a half hour from deadline and laid his vote on Gulag, seeing as Gulag was the most likely of his options. His reasoning and actions make sense. Lumpen posted:I'll switch to Gulag in 5 minutes if KB is not voteleader, but I don't know if the votes are there for either. Who's here? Gulag was always Lumpen's #4 choice and he was pushing for KB till the last moment but was both active and allowed for the Gulag switch. It seems fine. Imgay's vote is most likely an 'anyone but me' vote, though as I note in another post (that I wanted to add to this and then forgot because I got distracted by my cat and now posted sequentially out of order) he doesn't look into KB as an option at all. He has a pretty reasonable motivation, but it's not one that doesn't discount him being scum. Friction's history with Gulag is a bit more complicated.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:43
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Anyway my conclusion is that Friction comes off really badly. Imgay wants to survive, but never went after KB at all in that effort. The other two seem tentatively cleared to me. I want to wait for more people to check as I've said before, I may be back tonight but just to check up on the thread and tomorrow I work all day and company is still over but I should definitely be back in time for and up through deadline.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:46
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King Burgundy posted:Lumpen still looks really bad to me. Going to vote there to start.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:50
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100Yrs why are you casing but not voting?
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Feb 2, 2016 17:53
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Lumpen posted:KB, what's this "still" stuff? Because I can't remember you expressing at any point in the past that I "look bad" or that you were suspicious of me, and I wasn't in your list of suspects D1. Can you quote where you previously expressed a problem with me, or have you slipped because by referring to something out of thread? Your vote strikes me as OMGUS for my pushing you at the end of D1. It's in the post I quoted. You can follow the quotes, but here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762381&pagenumber=13&perpage=40#post455761790 My first post of the day is calling out the three things that bothered me about the Gulag cuddle. As stated in that post, I've decided against following two of them for now, but your post still bothers me.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:54
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Lumpen posted:100Yrs why are you casing but not voting? 100YrsofAttitude posted:I want to wait for more people to check as I've said before, I may be back tonight but just to check up on the thread and tomorrow I work all day and company is still over but I should definitely be back in time for and up through deadline. I don't think D2 is a good place to be hasty. A lot of people I've cased haven't even check in and their comments will either add to the case or detract from it accordingly. I don't vote to threaten people but only when I mean it.
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Feb 2, 2016 17:56
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 I have inferred some opinions from the posts, if I have misunderstood anyone's suspicions or order, please specify.
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Feb 2, 2016 18:00
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King Burgundy posted:It's in the post I quoted. You can follow the quotes, but here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762381&pagenumber=13&perpage=40#post455761790
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Feb 2, 2016 18:04
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Lumpen posted:Okay, can you give an analysis or explanation about why that post "bothers you"? I am very interested. You already had your vote down on Gulag and you wanted to make sure the cop got taken down. It was your attempt to get someone to vote him and you could easily explain it away later as Gulag playing badly. It was perfect cover to take out town's most powerful role on D1. Basically, I am refusing to believe Gulag went down without scum assistance there. It's too convenient.
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Feb 2, 2016 18:09
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100yrs = town, that's good casework and the lack of vote doesn't bother me at all at this point
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Feb 2, 2016 18:09
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King Burgundy posted:You already had your vote down on Gulag and you wanted to make sure the cop got taken down. It was your attempt to get someone to vote him and you could easily explain it away later as Gulag playing badly. It was perfect cover to take out town's most powerful role on D1. How is what you're accusing me of even Scummy? I did want to make sure Gulag went down at that point, because it seemed completely obvious to me that he was lying. Like I said before, his claim just looked like Scum making a lazy last-minute rolefish attempt to try to draw a counterclaim. At that moment I strongly did not want the "Real Cop" to counterclaim, if that was the case. King Burgundy is gloating in hindsight about somehow having the ~wisdom~ to buy into Gulag's claim at the time, and I find that very Scummy. Based on the timing and manner of the claim, I was absolutely not expecting Gulag to actually flip Town. I'm curious who would chime in now to say they thought Gulag was going to really flip Cop, other than ~supposedly~ King Burgundy? I find that point of view so implausible only a Scum would even pretend to have it.
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Feb 2, 2016 18:29
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my first thought was that gulag was lying
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Feb 2, 2016 18:34
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Lumpen posted:I think you're constructing a logical leap to support your OMGUS. Nope. I'm not. But nice attempt to discredit my vote by calling it an OMGUS. Keep in mind I didn't want to vote him before his claim. So his claim just confirmed what I already felt. But I'd like to think that even if I wrongly thought he was scum, I still would have had the brains to not vote him at that point. I'm pretty sure at the very least 100yrs also assumed he would flip cop, based on his posting. It's funny that you are so secure in your feigned wrongheadedness. "I was wrong, therefore everyone must have been wrong" is a really poor argument if you aren't actually scum.
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Feb 2, 2016 18:40
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Lumpen posted:##Vote: Trasson Lumpen posted:2 minutes, -1 Lumpen posted:HAMMER IS NOT DOWN Yells at me for voting a claimed cop when he's yelling at people to vote a claimed cop? For the record, I was on my phone and not entirely sure what I would do. In the time it would take me to post any sort of thought, deadline would have hit. I "lurked" until the deadline because I was waiting for as much information as possible. Gulag claimed cop but there was no way we were getting enough votes for anyone else (at least I thought so at the time; looking at it now, eh, probably still not enough) in time, plus like, what the hell, at the last minute you're giving us a choice between voting someone who says they're cop at a really convenient time or not lynching anyone. I made a last minute call: if we're wrong, that's bad but at least we have information versus being wrong a scum no lynch where we have no real info. Now, Podima says that JakeP was the hammer vote and mine didn't count, despite Votefinder having a hiccup at that moment. No one really contested this, at least in public. Either someone did in private, if the mod says something it goes no matter what, or this would be a generally understood sequence of events. I'm assuming it's the last one, as Gulag and a few other players believed it was definitely hammer despite VF not chiming in. And yet Lumpen is up there calling me out on voting a claimed cop (when it didn't even matter) despite not unvoting himself and being around at the deadline and even yelling at others to be sure of the hammer when it didn't actually matter? You want scum tells? That's a scum tell. ##vote Lumpen. I have class in a bit. I'll respond to other things and have more content in a couple of hours.
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Feb 2, 2016 18:47
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Trasson posted:Yells at me for voting a claimed cop when he's yelling at people to vote a claimed cop? What happened to me being a serial killer? Why are you shifting targets? Did you change your mind?
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Feb 2, 2016 18:57
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what if lumpen and trasson are scum 2gether lmaoooo
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Feb 2, 2016 19:04
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The point of my argument against Trasson is the fact that he lurked through the whole deadline. His posts in the last few minutes exposed him for this. I said he was there to "vote the claimed Cop at the last minute", but the important bit was he was there to vote at the last minute, but lurked and contributed nothing in the run-up. The fact that the Cop claim turned out true in hindsight isn't the point of my criticism of him. Disregard the words "the claimed Cop" as irrelevant, my case on Trasson is his super awkward Scumposts from early in D1 and his deadline lurking. Now throw OMGUS on the case, too. Trasson's attempted to falsely reframe my case to change the subject. Scummy.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:04
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My vote is entirely explained by being five minutes before deadline with (at the time) no counter from Gulag other than YOU DUMMIES. When I did read his cop claim post, it struck me as a more of a way for a scum to try to last minute throw off votes and avoid a lynch. A no lynch night is preferable for scum than getting one of their own lynched, and its perfectly reasonable to expect the real cop wouldn't be around or just wouldn't out himself in that scenario. I guess I play mafia different. I would not vote Trasson for the same above reason, but Lumpen's THE HAMMER IS NOT DOWN post implies he DID buy the claim but decided it wasn't worth unvoting for, which I find highly suspicious. I would vote Lumpen, and I am also curious to see what Leatherman has to say today as well after yesterday. I also still suspect imgay because of his insanely brief and contentless posts but apparently he is new as well so I'm less suspicious now. Those are my three picks.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:06
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Friction.123 posted:My vote is entirely explained by being five minutes before deadline with (at the time) no counter from Gulag other than YOU DUMMIES. When I did read his cop claim post, it struck me as a more of a way for a scum to try to last minute throw off votes and avoid a lynch. A no lynch night is preferable for scum than getting one of their own lynched, and its perfectly reasonable to expect the real cop wouldn't be around or just wouldn't out himself in that scenario. I guess I play mafia different. imgay isn't new
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Feb 2, 2016 19:08
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Captain Foo posted:imgay isn't new So is it just his posting gimmick that everyone accepts then?
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Feb 2, 2016 19:09
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Friction.123 posted:So is it just his posting gimmick that everyone accepts then? Asiina posted:You're the worst mafia player ever and I wish you'd stop playing. Captain Foo posted:hail Satan quoting for truth beyond truth
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Feb 2, 2016 19:13
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Mod must have warned the scum that the vote counted before posting it in thread, its the only way!
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Feb 2, 2016 19:14
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Lumpen I think it would be funny if you were actually scum and you introduced the chart to say "I'm town guys I'm trying to logic puzzle this out" while in reality knowing it would never help because you had already done all the possible math behind it. Please no one take this post seriously it is in jest.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:18
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Friction.123 posted:Lumpen's THE HAMMER IS NOT DOWN post implies he DID buy the claim but decided it wasn't worth unvoting for, which I find highly suspicious. I would vote Lumpen I posted THE HAMMER IS NOT DOWN because I thought Flying Leatherman's unvote made it -1 with JakeP's vote with only moments left and I didn't want that tactic to cause a no-lynch. It's because I just glanced at the votecount, and my reply window was open and had the posts displayed in reverse order, so it was a mixup on my part. I think it's abundantly clear that I did not buy the claim, I don't know how that post could make you think otherwise. A no-lynch is always a terrible outcome. Even if Gulag had forced a no-lynch on that lovely claim, I think we'd probably be lynching him today anyway because of how it went down.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:21
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I read it as "THE HAMMER IS NOT DOWN oh god don't kill the cop" but it is entirely possible I misread. Your interpretation makes sense too.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:22
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Friction.123 posted:I read it as "THE HAMMER IS NOT DOWN oh god don't kill the cop" but it is entirely possible I misread. Your interpretation makes sense too. ?? Does seeing the explanation of how I meant it change what I'm putting down for you on the Suspectedness chart?
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Feb 2, 2016 19:30
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Friction or Lumpen is most assuredly scum from this interaction.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:31
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If my versatile backup rear end has to die to we can bring down the great Scumpen then so be it. To be serious though, you seem extremely defensive and worried about the opinion of one guy who has been suspected scum since halfway through D1. I'm phone bound until the evening so I can't give you a detailed reason, but D2 at least your posts have rubbed me the wrong way. I'll give you more later.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:39
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i think lumpen is town but Kashuno posted:Friction or Lumpen is most assuredly scum from this interaction. how do you figure this?
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Feb 2, 2016 19:41
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Friction.123 posted:If my versatile backup rear end has to die to we can bring down the great Scumpen then so be it. even if you get lynched and flip VT why do you think that would lead to lumpens lynch? Thats a weird mindset
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Feb 2, 2016 19:41
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Lumpen posted:Even if Gulag had forced a no-lynch on that lovely claim, I think we'd probably be lynching him today anyway because of how it went down. There is no universe where this is true. Most likely scenario is that scum or SK would likely have gone ahead and NK'd him. Second possibility is a scum RB of him trying to get the above to happen on d2, but he would still be uncountered. I don't see him getting voted out with people not having deadline as an excuse. Thinking about it more, that second one is probably what would happen, actually, since they could just keep the cop controlled and not worry about it going to a backup.
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Feb 2, 2016 19:44
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yeah the only way Gulag would have been lynched today is if a scum CC'ed him, and that would be an obvious 1 for 1 trade at that point
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Feb 2, 2016 19:49
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counterfactuals are cool and good
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Feb 2, 2016 19:50
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##vote metos read that dudes posts
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