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Haskell9 posted:I told you people that Lethality is not dumb. I bought him an account for a reason. the thing with the believers is that they're dumb until they're not. the whole CIG empire is built on empty promises, and gradually that's gonna run out. one by one they'll see features they really want - drop in coop, private servers, the room system - get cut or put on the backburner, and little by little it's gonna turn them around.
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Marching Powder posted:what the gently caress are you talking about? p Yeah, that was weird. Why did it not post the word "wanted"? [edit] Oh wait, it just took a second longer to load, because it was in italics I guess. What's your question? Do you need me to rephrase?
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HiHo ChiRho posted:poo poo, UMG worked fast. It's blocked now :-( I might pull it down til tomoro it's late here now
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alf_pogs posted:the thing with the believers is that they're dumb until they're not. In the 4th CIGpire, you will be shocked by broken promises that double in pain every second.
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Fuzzy Modem posted:[edit] Also, and I know what this place is for, but I really hate it when people poo poo talk about Sandi. She's one of the nicest people I've ever corresponded with. Some comments just really turn my stomach, or yeah, I would spend more time here. Some comments about her turn my stomach too, and for my part, I try to avoid piling on when the vicious stuff flies. Same is true with the Ben Lesnick weight jokes. You know what else turns my stomach though? Well, the brazen lying to start. She has lied about so many things both trivial and consequential that it boggles the mind. If you need a list of some, with links, they can be provided. And how about the business model? Do you find it troubling in the least that she and Chris knowingly have taken money from people who really can't afford it and offered them spacepixels in exchange along with promises they haven't kept and likely will not be able to keep? Is that remotely problematic to you? How does it strike you when Sandi justifies taking thousands of dollars from people who she knows can't all afford it because "I could spend $3000 a night on table service in Vegas?" It's only money right? They have to spend it on something! All of the claims above are facts-- not based on gossip or hearsay but on things we have actually heard her say on podcasts, RtV and elsewhere. The business model of CIG-- the joint brainchild of Chris and Sandi-- is immoral. Period. And people have been hurt and will continue to be hurt because nobody in leadership at CIG has any shame about parting fools from their money with dishonest propaganda videos and promises that will keep being broken until CIG runs out of suckers to fleece. TL:DR I'm not trying to discount whatever good memories you have from your personal interactions with her, and I agree completely if you are offended by the vulgar abuse that sometimes takes place in thread. But if you think Sandi should be off limits for critique for the aforementioned actions then I truly am amazed. The above are not fabricated and if it would help you too see them all edited into a timeline like Chris' Star Marine lies or a video with the source material all strung together I'm sure we could accommodate.
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Look how long it took them to acknowledge D.S. because that's what Smart wanted them to do, as it creates the false illusion that they are actually peers.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:59
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Yeah, that was weird. Why did it not post the word "wanted"? my question is who are these people - who is 'them' specifically and how long did it take them to acknowledge DS specifically? e: and aknowlege him for what?
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BeefThief posted:In the 4th CIGpire, you will be shocked by broken promises that double in pain every second. i actually think the hilarious primary-school-future-serial-killer weird english phrasing of the fourth stimpire is maybe my favourite thing to come out of this whole debacle. it just has so much joi de vivre for the most existential bleak fiction ever
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BeefThief posted:The only thing you can do about trolls is ignore them. 
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alf_pogs posted:i actually think the hilarious primary-school-future-serial-killer weird english phrasing of the fourth stimpire is maybe my favourite thing to come out of this whole debacle. it was conceived with significantly more enthusiasm than anything else to do with Star Citizen, that's for sure
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G0RF posted:Some comments about her turn my stomach too, and for my part, I try to avoid piling on when the vicious stuff flies. Same is true with the Ben Lesnick weight jokes. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and making them buy spaceships. Hell, you want to try an actually expensive hobby? Play hockey. Or go skiing. I have no issue with crowd funding, as I have relied on it myself to complete my own artistic endeavor.
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lmao have you really not experienced someone being nice to you and not to others in a work environment? things are different when you work around someone every day if you think beer fabricated those emails, you might be a citizen.
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the guy in the background really has a babyface Saul Tigh thing going on
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Marching Powder posted:my question is who are these people - who is 'them' specifically and how long did it take them to acknowledge DS specifically? CR and CIG ignored DS until the Escapist article
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paging boocha, a literal investor with direct personal ties to sandi and chris who withdrew his money and cut ties with the company due specifically to the mistreatment of staff to come and shut this retard up
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you're dumb as gently caress if you have limited exposure to a person and think that because they're nice to you, they're nice to everyone else
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Fuzzy Modem posted:No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and making them buy spaceships. Hell, you want to try an actually expensive hobby? Play hockey. Or go skiing. Seriously? What about the rest of the post you quoted. EDIT: Abusing Fuzzy Modem is exactly the way to reinforce what people say about this thread. We're not going to change any minds by being assholes.
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fuzzknot posted:Please stop asking Sandi why she's such an insufferable [expletive deleted] and only ask about working with Gillian Anderson. But do not ask who was better. Because we already know the answer? (I swear, my catte could outact Sandi, and he's got no college or sales experience. He's not even very good at mousing...)
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TTerrible posted:Seriously? What about the rest of the post you quoted. that calling people liars and fabricators because of limited interpersonal contact with a person and 0 evidence to the contrary gets you called out? i think that's exactly the message we should be reinforcing.
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TTerrible posted:Seriously? What about the rest of the post you quoted. calling someone out for saying something dumb is hardly abuse
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Again, if Beer (or anyone else) was an employee, he can name his Shotgun page, and I can go look at the quality of his work, and what Sandi, and everyone else, had to say about it.
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EminusSleepus posted:remember when your uncle jimmy told you not to turn on the lights inside the car because it is not safe? This is how I always pictured the kilrathi ships that were posted earlier in this thread working. The ones with the prone pilot seating and  rear pilot.D_Smart posted:Because the minute my name appears anywhere in any lawsuit that doesn't involve me directly, I'm going in. Goon speed, you crazy bastard. Marching Powder posted:hahaha gently caress you gently caress Off Goonie (tm) spacetoaster posted:I know we're all super edgy internet trolls here, but in the dark recess of my cold black heart I would LOVE for this game to come out and be everything promised. Yea the game Chris Roberts talks about sounds like it would be pretty fun if he speeds up the forced animation and the UI is moddable and 16 players per instanced zone is enough. That's a lot a ifs and there's still a long way to go based on what we've seen. Personally I never pre-order games unless I want release day shipping and the last game I pre-ordered was Last Of Us, and I think before that Uncharted 3. i just realized I have a lot more faith in naughty dog than I do in crowd funded anything
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Google Butt posted:calling someone out for saying something dumb is hardly abuse Marching Powder posted:that calling people liars and fabricators because of limited interpersonal contact with a person and 0 evidence to the contrary gets you called out? i think that's exactly the message we should be reinforcing. Ehhhh I guess so - it's just I think sometimes when a true believer shows up it is good to at least try to talk to them normally first before dogpiling them. 
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Again, if Beer (or anyone else) was an employee, he can name his Shotgun page, and I can go look at the quality of his work, and what Sandi, and everyone else, had to say about it. Do you think that beer fabricated those e-mails?
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Fuzzy Modem posted:We still chat occasionally, as she recently mentioned on AtV. You have no idea how much I wish some of this stuff isn't true. Spiteful belittling and vicious demeaning of media and CS staff in office. Abusive verbal behavior towards lower development team members. Petty grudges and scare tactics towards senior staff. I don't care about the money questions, or the production questions. I leave those to Derek and other goons to question and probe. I care about the treatment of employees. And what I've heard from past and present employees is disgusting, and has no place in this industry. Yes, Sandi is the primary culprit in these grievances, but they also all make the point to say "Chris could have stopped this". By all accounts, CR has allowed Sandi to run roughshod over the whole organization with no accountability for her actions. EDIT: I do not do my investigations to "find someone to pin to the wall" for shits'n'giggles. I do my investigations so I can find out what went wrong and why, and to determine responsibility for such actions. Bootcha fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Again, if Beer (or anyone else) was an employee, he can name his Shotgun page, and I can go look at the quality of his work, and what Sandi, and everyone else, had to say about it. it's cool to be skeptical but you realise you're being skeptical about the people who aren't fleecing others for money, right? edit: also i don't think beer was or ever claimed to be an employee. he was just a backer with a client support request i think
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It looks like Team Sandi may be doubling in size here, do not ruin this for me guys
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Fuzzy Modem posted:No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and making them buy spaceships. Hell, you want to try an actually expensive hobby? Play hockey. Or go skiing. If I saw a brochure for an exciting new lodge in Buttrock Mississippi -- and it showed huge snowy peaks with giant heated gondolas and I got there and saw a small little hill with an artificial snow machine spewing ice flakes on it and some stairs to climb atop it, I'd say I was played the fool by some liars, though honestly I shouldn't be guessed in advance there was something fishy. Buttrock Mississippi is as unlikely to produce a great ski resort as Chris Roberts is a brilliant video game at this point. The GAME they are selling WILL NOT BE MADE BY THEM. VR support? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. "The best combat experience on the simulated battlefield" BULL poo poo. Huge Ship to Ship space battles with dozens of soldiers boarding other ships and storming through to seize cargo? NEVER. Watch this video. Do you know what this is? False advertising. Even the FPS footage in it is from a game they wasted millions to develop and then THREW AWAY to start over anew. If you have similar ambitions and thus no problems with this manner of doing business then I feel bloody sorry for you, mate. G0RF fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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TTerrible posted:EDIT: Abusing Fuzzy Modem is exactly the way to reinforce what people say about this thread. We're not going to change any minds by being assholes. Instead we should downvote his post until it becomes invisible, the proper way to handle disagreements
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TTerrible posted:Ehhhh I guess so - it's just I think sometimes when a true believer shows up it is good to at least try to talk to them normally first before dogpiling them. believe it or not me calling you a retard the instant you behave like a retard is me talking normally
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Again, if Beer (or anyone else) was an employee, he can name his Shotgun page, and I can go look at the quality of his work, and what Sandi, and everyone else, had to say about it. Beer is just a guy who wanted a refund and got Sandi responding to him directly which led to Sandi going on a weird rant.
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alf_pogs posted:the thing with the believers is that they're dumb until they're not. Agreed. I was the Lethality for a different scam. Remember the Horizons MMO 12 years ago? I drank that Kool-Aid like it was my mother's milk. Watching other people get hoodwinked in the same way is intolerable, unless they are intolerable for other reasons in which case haha gently caress them.
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Samizdata posted:Because we already know the answer? It's possible that your cat IS Sandi.
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G0RF posted:The GAME they are selling WILL NOT BE MADE BY THEM. I've scrapped portions of my project and started again from scratch quite often, and the results are always better for the time and effort. That isn't to say the original plan I presented to backers was a lie, it simply didn't work out as I'd hoped. That's just reality.
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Haskell9 posted:Agreed. I was the Lethality for a different scam. Remember the Horizons MMO 12 years ago? I drank that Kool-Aid like it was my mother's milk. Watching other people get hoodwinked in the same way is intolerable, unless they are intolerable for other reasons in which case haha gently caress them. wow i thought i was one of the only 5 people that played horizons, looks like the number's up to 6 i played it in the beta with my big bro and had fun at the time, being a baby dragon was pretty sweet. they changed a lot of stuff on release tho and it wasnt really the same game. the controls were godawful. luckily i didnt spend any money on it (i remember it being free? maybe it was just the beta, this was before cash-shop stuff blew up)
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Fuzzy Modem posted:CR and CIG ignored DS until the Escapist article What? No, the escapist article was in october, Derek already had his pledge pulled - and was denounced on their forums for it - in July.
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