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Unfunny Poster posted:I'm seriously in shock that a method CIG knew about, approved of, and didn't take action against two years ago is being cited as why that guy owes them $500 because someone else got a refund/charge back. My eyes glazed over when I tried to read that reddit post, but if this is the summary, then: 
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Unfunny Poster posted:I'm seriously in shock that a method CIG knew about, approved of, and didn't take action against two years ago is being cited as why that guy owes them $500 because someone else got a refund/charge back. Absolutely insane. If I was him I would be bringing this info to mr. Smart PhD or a lawyer. There's no way that can be legal.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:27
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They can't possibly be serious, can they? If they feel a chargeback was fraudulent (like, money laundering or something, or simply selling the ship via paypal, then making a chargeback), surely that's something they'd have to take up with the bank of said fraudulent person? Am I missing something?
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Feb 3, 2016 12:28
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Feb 3, 2016 12:29
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I'm not sure which is worse, CIG's handling of the situation, or Reddit's ongoing insistence that they can do no wrong and that CIG's new clothes are the finest ever seen. They avoid cognitive dissonance by immediately refuting anything that in any way points at CIG being a poo poo company doing poo poo things.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:30
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T.G. Xarbala posted:My eyes glazed over when I tried to read that reddit post, but if this is the summary, then: Like, two to three years ago I did a write up about the LTI grey market of ship laundering, which is what this guy did. It got a lot of people riled up because it pointed out people were abusing it for various reasons and methods. There was a threadnought or two over it, and it was pointed out how it was just a dumb thing to allow and that CIG should have simply but the kebosh on it then and there. From what I'm reading/understanding, this dude did an LTI launder for another guy, the other guy refunding/charged back, and CIG are saying the money on the ship is still owed either by melting another ship down or by the first guy paying $500. Oh also, keep in mind that whole "the LTI laundering is dumb" thing was picked up by Eurogamer a year after I wrote my piece and CIG still did nothing about it. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-10-08-inside-star-citizens-grey-market
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T.G. Xarbala posted:
Also what, we can't say xbone no more? E: haha what the gently caress E2: what about xb0ne, xboone, xxxbone, sexbone, xböne, xbône, xbowne
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Feb 3, 2016 12:32
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AP posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHbogwIsFQ CIG suggesting a customer chargeback someone else 
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Feb 3, 2016 12:33
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HAHAHAHA dissed and dismissed
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Thank you for sharing, T.G. Xarbala right? lmbo
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Feb 3, 2016 12:33
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Five thousand post like one, One hundred million dollars like a penny. Is the game out yet?
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T.G. Xarbala posted:The incredibly belligerent pro-SC poster warcrimes seemed not to be posting anymore, which surprised me (because that guy basically sucked all the fun out of the thread whenever he showed up, like an incredibly irate wet blanket), and even formerly optimistic posters were being more skeptical. Warcrimes was hilarious and so easy to wind up.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:35
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Paladinus posted:Five thousand post like one, 
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Feb 3, 2016 12:35
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Posting from like 20 pages back. I'm sad I missed Sandi's best friend. Hey Fuzzy Modem, take a hint. Think critically about your relationship with Sandi. If you truly are a friend, please suggest some good acting lessons because even after years of doing online "shows" for a video game she is the VP of marketing for, she still can't remember more than 12 words at a time. And if this broken piece-of-poo poo alpha is legitimately "the best space sim you've ever played", you might want to invest some time and money in the competition so you can experience first-hand just how wrong you are.
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Feb 3, 2016 12:35
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Whiskey chat from a couple of pages ago. Unless you're drinking a single cask/barrel, all your whiskey is blended. A single malt just means it comes from a single distillery. aleksendr posted:I really have to try a panel of Japanese whiskys someday. I keep hearing they are unique and excellent but i never see them at affordable prices in Canada. Do you know someone flying in and out of Japan? Suntory has a store at Narita airport and I normally just get someone to buy it for me there when they're coming home. It's about half to a third of the price of whiskey here.
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That is a quote for the ages. “You can either be a rockstar like [Chris Roberts] or Richard or some of the other guys, or you can be a good industry veteran that has been involved with really, really good products for a long time, and go out there with some credibility and try to build an audience.” 
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Feb 3, 2016 12:39
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:not a haiku It's called a free form haiku. Look it up. 
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Feb 3, 2016 12:43
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Stauning KAOS (single malt). That is all.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Thank you for sharing, T.G. Xarbala a lurkin buddy filled me in, apparently the xbône word filter only applies if you're logged in lurkers can see it fine 
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alf_pogs posted:HAHAHAHA dissed and dismissed If you watch that clip for 60 seconds they even mention religion. While just before the time I linked Wingman says some people are treating kickstarter backers as an audience for a tv show and they're not. AP fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 12:45
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All the confusion I felt when I first learned people were paying hundreds of dollars to buy jpegs of spaceships has come flooding back. How do you "buy a pledge"? How can a product in effectively unlimited quantities be worth anything on a secondary market? How does a jpeg have insurance and how does that mean anything in a game where none of the mechanics have been made yet? What the gently caress is CIG thinking and do they really think they can get away with this without a consumer advocacy group or government department tearing them a new arsehole?
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:What the gently caress is CIG thinking and do they really think they can get away with this without a consumer advocacy group or government department tearing them a new arsehole? Well, they do have the greatest businesswoman in the world at the helm, after all…
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I can't work out the LTI laundering story. Here is my go: The implication is you could open an account, buy a shitload of stuff and gift it to people. Do a chargeback and all the people you gifted items now have to pay for the items? That doesn't sound right.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:All the confusion I felt when I first learned people were paying hundreds of dollars to buy jpegs of spaceships has come flooding back. All of this recent idiocy doesn't so much highlight the complete stupidity that has permeated every step of this horrible no good very bad kickstarter, what it does is encircle it in bright shining neon and attaches it to a huge blimp seen for miles around.
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Sillybones posted:I can't work out the LTI laundering story. Here is my go: The implication is you could open an account, buy a shitload of stuff and gift it to people. Do a chargeback and all the people you gifted items now have to pay for the items? That doesn't sound right. Now, if only there was some person who has a star citizen account we didn't like. e:dont do this
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Tippis posted:Well, they do have the greatest businesswoman in the world at the helm, after all… Woah there friend those emails are completely unproven Sandi has been nothing but nice to me and furthermore
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Why does gifting of ships and melting even need to be a thing? I guess you want to minimize buyer's remorse and allow people to change their minds when you're selling ships that don't exist or will undergo significant repurposing and rebalancing. And gifting helps cultists recruit more effectively and allows you to do poo poo like arbitrarily limit LTI and then create a loophole which results in there being more gifted ships on more accounts that you can declare unrefundable. But in a non-cult scenario with a real game I don't see the point. Surely gift cards should suffice?
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PST posted:I'm not sure which is worse, CIG's handling of the situation, or Reddit's ongoing insistence that they can do no wrong and that CIG's new clothes are the finest ever seen. It's the community.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:How do you "buy a pledge"? I think this is grey market stuff, basically buying someone's account? Or maybe exchange money and someone 'gifts' some part of their account or something they own to the other party? NoNotTheMindProbe posted:How can a product in effectively unlimited quantities be worth anything on a secondary market? CiG stops selling things, under the guise of "SUPER LIMITED SALE BUY NOW!" advertisement marketing gimmick bullshit. So if something is 'rare', to the sperglords it becomes very valuable. NoNotTheMindProbe posted:How does a jpeg have insurance and how does that mean anything in a game where none of the mechanics have been made yet? I think the insurance poo poo is like, when you get blown up you don't have to pay anything, or the fee is heavily discounted. Whereas normal players will have to pay a substantial fee to get their ship back. None of this does matter though, because the game doesn't (and probably will never) exist. I think to the whales however, the game will not only release but be a huge success and the only game they'll play forever and be buried alive with it. So the insurance is more than worth it, because think of the savings! NoNotTheMindProbe posted:What the gently caress is CIG thinking and do they really think they can get away with this without a consumer advocacy group or government department tearing them a new arsehole? Chris and Sandi didn't think it through all the way I guess, and didn't foresee any complications from scamming morons. Plus those Elms brothers have been through this before unscathed, so I guess they just told them to not worry and everything will be fine. KiddieGrinder fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Yeah, I actually had to rework all my thruster placements to account for torque. If she lost shield panels or expended munitions at inconsistent rates, she would eventually list to one side a bit though. Torque... in space... with jet/thruster propulsion. Lol.
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I gave my friend a grocery store gift card and did a chargeback on it after he'd purchased a bag of chips and then the grocers showed up at his house with bats looking for their $5.
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Chin posted:I gave my friend a grocery store gift card and did a chargeback on it after he'd purchased a bag of chips and then the grocers showed up at his house with bats looking for their $5. Harsh but fair.
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KiddieGrinder posted:I think the insurance poo poo is like, when you get blown up you don't have to pay anything, or the fee is heavily discounted. Whereas normal players will have to pay a substantial fee to get their ship back. None of this does matter though, because the game doesn't (and probably will never) exist. I think to the whales however, the game will not only release but be a huge success and the only game they'll play forever and be buried alive with it. So the insurance is more than worth it, because think of the savings! But also there will be a time limit before you get your ship back because spaceships in a game don't just appear out of the ether they have to be constructed. And CIG is considering fraud investigators to make sure you aren't just letting friends run off with your ships and claiming they're stolen.
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Fuzzy Modem posted:Quite the opposite. I appreciate meaningful feedback on my own work, and try to offer specifics to others, both the things I wouldn't want to change, and the things that can be improved. Sounds like you should improve yourself with shotgun. PS you and your friends are poo poo people (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Admin Note: Retracted due to misunderstanding
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Chin posted:Why does gifting of ships and melting even need to be a thing? Gifting ships was an original marketing pledge during kickstarter. Melting allowed people to change their mind and not get a refund, so marketing, LTI during kickstarter was marketing, the year long 2013 gifting/melting getting LTI via an original backer was marketing. The limited number of alpha slots and the change to gifting so you could only do it once were marketing decisions too. The return of LTI for concept ships was marketing.  Basically marketing everywhere, I know a good product when I see it.
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KiddieGrinder posted:CiG stops selling things, under the guise of "SUPER LIMITED SALE BUY NOW!" advertisement marketing gimmick bullshit. So if something is 'rare', to the sperglords it becomes very valuable. It also highlights a pretty basic gap in the knowledge required to actually make these decisions. Ultimately, should the game actually come out, the regular ships will have to be sourced from the economy somehow, ostensibly through some industry mechanisms. It's these mechanisms that will determine the actual rarity and cost of the ships and, ultimately, their cash value. Of course, none of that has been decided or designed yet, much less released to the customers, which means that it's all based on assumption. Oh, great, LTI means you don't have to re-buy your ship… but so what, if they're a dime a dozen because the market is saturated by them? What if all the industry and PvE players who have turned their PvP sliders all the way down and who never even risk a ship just keep forcing the price down (because as other games have demonstrated, these players also tend to have a shocking lack of understanding of opportunity and production cost)? The entire point and perceived value of one of the core arguments of CIG's sales pitch hinges on in-game mechanics and dynamics that have yet to be designed.
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