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Let's do our daily Massclaim Poll. The current stakes: The Cop role is gone. The Doc role is inherited. Five Versatile Backups remain. There has been one night of Tracking data, but presumably nobody was tracked visiting AnonNarc. There is one night of Jailing data, which may or may not have stopped a kill by either jailing the Scum nightkiller or the Scum target. I say the time is not yet right. &&Massclaim: no
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Captain Foo posted:abruptly changing tack on a player is a pretty good scum tell imo I wouldn't call it abruptly. We had three major events happen in between me suspecting Cog and me accusing Lumpen. We had the lynch on Gulag 1.0, we had him flip as cop, and we had ANarc get nightkilled and revealed as doctor. The last one doesn't enter in, but I'd say the first two are sufficient grounds to reanalyze who I think is scum. Like, am I supposed to not take new information into account? Hell, like I said in another post, Gulag1 being town gives credence to Cog being town in my mind: my suspicion of Cog hinged on "no town would support a plan this crazy" and then it turned out that a town, and a valuable town, was supporting a plan that crazy, so clearly my assumption is flawed. Compared to "hey let's lynch the last minute claim cop and be around after he claims and encourage that then get on someone's case for doing just that" I'd be stupid to think Cog was the bigger scum. We've got a small group of people accusing me of abruptly changing my mind. One of them is Lumpen, who's been on me since day 1. why? Because of supposed scum tells? Every single thing I seem to do is scummy...except that wouldn't you expect that the rest of my scum team would then reign me in? Unless they're all a bunch of incompetents, all I'd be doing at this point is sabotaging my own team. Like, is there some 9th dimensional chess where throwing a scum power role this early is worth it? Hell, my biggest supporter replaced out so I'm literally thrown to the wolves here, and for what gain? The case against me boils down to: I made some iffy contentless posts on day 1 (was still feeling my way around), a joke post about how Podima, noted BSG fan, made a bureaucrat a ninja and an awful ASOIAF pun, and that I voted someone who I'd said I suspected as scum because I was afraid he was going to get off on a last minute claim when most players weren't around anyway to counterclaim, and that I changed my mind on who I thought was scum based on new information we'd received. Seriously, that's the case against me. My question I pose to the other townies is this: what do you think about this? Am I scum who's dropping handwritten notes with return addresses here running around looking like an idiot for no gain? Am I town who's making plays that look bad to more experienced players but at least I can explain? Something else? Here's my theory: Lumpen is scum, and he's trying to get an easy lynch going by going after someone who made a similar play as him but he can make a better case for why they look bad, and he's got his friends in the scumdoc to back him up with "oh yeah he definitely looks scummy based on these posts". I can see the result now:. "Oh no, Trasson was actually town! He totally looked scummy though, am I right? Even if the result wasn't what we wanted, we definitely went about things the right way. Oh, and by the way, this player also looks kind of scummy..." If you think that sounds like an awful defense, sure, vote me dead. Just remember who initiated this little vote parade after the flip.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:25
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King Burgundy posted:*Went out of your way to make sure the town cop got cuddled This is a good post. Lumpen bringing up the mass claim again trying to act like its a topic that should come back up trying to sway the newbies into making the move but keeping himself off it ##vote lumpen
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Feb 3, 2016 17:28
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Kashuno posted:This is a good post.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:34
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guys metos literally called a guy scum because the guy claimed vanilla town
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Feb 3, 2016 17:40
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Lumpen posted:Let's do our daily Massclaim Poll. I can see the argument for waiting. Chance at more data before reveal. Plus now doc will be wiped out for good with no backup if killed. The flip side is we've had a couple people already claim backup and miller and narrow the pool of targets for scum and SK, so the damage is partially already done and waiting, could just as easily lose the tracker and jailer tonight before they get to share anything since the target list is smaller. I think I'm still leaning slightly favorable to mass claim. Yes. But fine with either outcome.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:40
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Another guy is scum because he made a joke about role/flavor when the mod posted the role/flavor doc, because he says its a good cover
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Feb 3, 2016 17:40
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King Burgundy posted:
lol how does claiming backup narrow the pool of targets? Claiming backup as scum or SK is the only safe claim to make early game and means nothing because they can just change their claim later when a power role dies.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:42
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oh god nm i see what you are saying
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Feb 3, 2016 17:42
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How is anyone at all thinking of even talking about a claim right now.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:42
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JakeP posted:lol how does claiming backup narrow the pool of targets? Claiming backup as scum or SK is the only safe claim to make early game and means nothing because they can just change their claim later when a power role dies. If I were SK or scum, I'd be focused on the town power roles for the first few days. That list has narrowed. I mean, if scum is prioritizing the SK kill or vice versa, then I guess maybe they could target those backup claimers if they think they are faking, but I dunno. Doesn't seem like something I'd personally do. What would you do?
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Feb 3, 2016 17:44
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I'd say not claim because it just narrows a list of targets for our enemies more than it makes hunting easier for us.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:48
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting perspective
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Feb 3, 2016 17:49
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Updated, here I go again contributing and being helpful, how Scummy of me. If it doesn't say what you mean, post an explicit list and I will update. Things to notice: Flying Leatherman still has not posted a single post in D2. Also imgay is still voting this vote: imgay posted:##vote punt what a slip
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Feb 3, 2016 17:50
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Puntification posted:Well I'm three pages in and asiina's defo scum...
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Feb 3, 2016 17:52
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King Burgundy posted:If I were SK or scum, I'd be focused on the town power roles for the first few days. That list has narrowed. yeah i get it, at first I read it as if we could narrow who to lynch based on those claims, rather than narrowing the SK and scums kill targets
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Feb 3, 2016 17:54
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Lumpen posted:Updated, here I go again contributing and being helpful, how Scummy of me. You can add Friction as my third. If I had a fourth I'd probably make it FL at this point as a lurker cuddle.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:55
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we should lynch gulag again so he can replace thecog
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Feb 3, 2016 17:55
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FL would be a good lynch. Hes scummy and a lurker
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Feb 3, 2016 17:56
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D2 LumpenList
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Feb 3, 2016 17:56
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then gulag be like claiming at like -1 im the doctor and jake waking up from a nap would hammer without reading it
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Feb 3, 2016 17:56
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imgay posted:then gulag be like claiming at like -1 im the doctor and jake waking up from a nap would hammer without reading it i am feeling a bit drowsy....
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Feb 3, 2016 17:57
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imgay posted:
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Feb 3, 2016 17:58
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Puntification posted:Having caught up I'd be most happy voting friction and foo (largely for his self-professed policy vote on imgay but also for being wilfully dense about jokes, for those of you who find formatting based cases persuasive the bolding was particularly egregious), I've got question marks scribbled next to about 8 other players on a scrap of paper and I'll expand on them further when I'm not working, but ... "Playing it safe" with two targets no one else is going after anymore (or at all in your case). Apparently making accusations about someone who replaces out is scum in which God help us if I'm right since no one can safely accuse you. Nice cop out/deflection I guess though. For your last point I've been asking all thread (because guess what I've never played with you gently caress ups before) about imgay's... unique posting style before and no one has bothered to say anything, until I accuse you and suddenly you deign to respond? This entire posts says a lot of words to discredit me by doesn't actually refute what I said. LOL EZ is not a response. And I don't get your smoke screen comment at all, like am I making a smoke screen or am I pointing out someone else who is? If the latter (I guess with my comment about tv show derails) then how is that not a valid scum hunting tactic?
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Feb 3, 2016 17:59
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READ THE POST HISTORY
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Cpt. Foo has been posting more like imgay than imgay has in this game. Which I think is kind of unusual for Cpt Foo, compared to how he played in the Mad Max game (where he was Town).
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Feb 3, 2016 18:00
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I just want to say that even though metos is scum, all these new players in this game are great, except the cog for asking to replace out
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Feb 3, 2016 18:02
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Oh you think I'm great? You must be scum.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:03
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Hello!Kashuno posted:How is anyone at all thinking of even talking about a claim right now. I agree with this post. I didn't like Lumpen pushing so hard last night even after GulagDolls claimed. Lumpen, other than my not posting until right now, what do you find scummy about my play, or are you still operating off the same assumptions as last game day? Trasson posted:I wouldn't call it abruptly. We had three major events happen in between me suspecting Cog and me accusing Lumpen. We had the lynch on Gulag 1.0, we had him flip as cop, and we had ANarc get nightkilled and revealed as doctor. The last one doesn't enter in, but I'd say the first two are sufficient grounds to reanalyze who I think is scum. Like, am I supposed to not take new information into account? Hell, like I said in another post, Gulag1 being town gives credence to Cog being town in my mind: my suspicion of Cog hinged on "no town would support a plan this crazy" and then it turned out that a town, and a valuable town, was supporting a plan that crazy, so clearly my assumption is flawed. Compared to "hey let's lynch the last minute claim cop and be around after he claims and encourage that then get on someone's case for doing just that" I'd be stupid to think Cog was the bigger scum. The tone of this post sounds genuine to me. Jake brought up some good points on the stuff Metos has said and I agree that they're super sketchy cases. I'd vote him. Lumpen if you want to update my chart you can put down yourself, Metos, and Foo
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Feb 3, 2016 18:03
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That was a joke.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:03
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Dammit FL you ruined the flow of me trying to hit 10 in case deal goes down while I'm at work.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:04
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JakeP posted:guys metos literally called a guy scum because the guy claimed vanilla town fuckin lmao, lemme double check on this
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Feb 3, 2016 18:04
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Trasson posted:Dammit FL you ruined the flow of me trying to hit 10 in case deal goes down while I'm at work. sorry bud! oh, ##vote metos, money where mouth is
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Feb 3, 2016 18:06
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Deal? Whatever you say autocorrect. See you all in five hours.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:06
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Updates appreciated. ~8.5 hours remain in the day.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:07
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When I asked him to explain his 3 scum readsMetos posted:Trasson's Billy chat that got brought up seems very much like he's laughing about it being his own role and bringing it out into the spotlight while under complete cover of 'oh they're all public now'. If he's believed to have only seen it recently and is thus not scum its a pretty drat good cover, keeping him out of suspicion while being a murderous scumbag. His scumminess ties into friction's too, see next point
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Feb 3, 2016 18:10
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Metos posted:
ayy lmao i re-read the claim post and it's basically the equivalent of saying "i'm town so i don't care about dying, especially if it helps get scum" now the context of that in and of itself is a little weird, i.e. there's no real way friction dying implicates lumpen, which was the thrust of the claim post, but i see where friction was coming from when he said that. here's the funny thing about a townie being alive, metos - they are useful by virtue of being alive
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Feb 3, 2016 18:13
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whoops ##vote metos
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Feb 3, 2016 18:13
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JakeP posted:When I asked him to explain his 3 scum reads The first point is nonsense, but I agree with the second one. Mass claim is good, but individual claims muck things up for us unless there is a good reason for it. Even though Kash is pretty much confirmed at this point, his claim was bad for us. If Friction was telling the truth, his claim was bad for us.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:15
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King Burgundy posted:The first point is nonsense, but I agree with the second one. Mass claim is good, but individual claims muck things up for us unless there is a good reason for it. Even though Kash is pretty much confirmed at this point, his claim was bad for us. If Friction was telling the truth, his claim was bad for us. bad town != scummy, and i think claiming miller right off the bat is always good play, but ymmv on that one
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King Burgundy posted:The first point is nonsense, but I agree with the second one. Mass claim is good, but individual claims muck things up for us unless there is a good reason for it. Even though Kash is pretty much confirmed at this point, his claim was bad for us. If Friction was telling the truth, his claim was bad for us. What the gently caress does that matter? He was asked why they are scum, not why they are bad mafia players
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