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Captain Foo posted:bad town != scummy, and i think claiming miller right off the bat is always good play, but ymmv on that one JakeP posted:What the gently caress does that matter? He was asked why they are scum, not why they are bad mafia players Oh, my bad. Well then that part sucks too. Though he is right about it being bad to push me.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 18:21 |
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Captain Foo posted:i think claiming miller right off the bat is always good play, but ymmv on that one I normally agree with you, but this game is an exception since it's a BP miller in an open setup. There is no reason to claim at all until you've eaten a bullet.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 18:23 |
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What u mean, we know there's one Miller and it can be counterclaimed, pretty much h town
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 18:27 |
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King Burgundy posted:I normally agree with you, but this game is an exception since it's a BP miller in an open setup. There is no reason to claim at all until you've eaten a bullet. I disagree, because the overriding philosophy should still be to avoid wasting a cop investigation. Granted, that's kinda moot now, but at the time...
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 18:28 |
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Flying Leatherman posted:I disagree, because the overriding philosophy should still be to avoid wasting a cop investigation. Granted, that's kinda moot now, but at the time... Naw. Cop is one person. There are two kills. Chances are MUCH greater he'll waste a scum or SK kill then he'll waste a cop investigation, if he doesn't claim.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 18:30 |
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Flying Leatherman posted:Hello! Is this all we get from the long awaited FL post? If people are going to get on my case because I'm supposedly parroting what other players are saying why does this get a pass? Not to mention this point only appears after people start pointing out FL is lurking again. Which he also did D1. You can get mad at Trasson, Metos, and myself if you'd like for the mafia faux pas we have undoubtedly committed, hell I'd even vote for Metos myself out of OMGUS and the "if he's town he's actively hurting us so why not vote for him?" line. Flying Leatherman how about you give us a list of three people you'd vote for with actual logic behind them instead of just "I agree with what that guy said." I get that it gets harder as the day progresses because people have already pointed out the easy ones, but you literally did not give a single reason for why you think Foo is suspicious. At this point I would vote for either FL or Metos, and if absolutely pressed to name a third, would keep Puntification on the list.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:03 |
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For now I'll ##vote Metos to give FL a chance to say something
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:07 |
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Friction.123 posted:Is this all we get from the long awaited FL post? If people are going to get on my case because I'm supposedly parroting what other players are saying why does this get a pass? Not to mention this point only appears after people start pointing out FL is lurking again. Which he also did D1. You can get mad at Trasson, Metos, and myself if you'd like for the mafia faux pas we have undoubtedly committed, hell I'd even vote for Metos myself out of OMGUS and the "if he's town he's actively hurting us so why not vote for him?" line. Hi Friction! How was I lurking D1? I think that's a mischaracterization, especially when I gave pretty clear reasons for thinking what I thought yesterday, and engaged with people. While we're on the subject of mischaracterizations, I gave a reason for my read on Lumpen in the post that you quoted, so "I agree with what that guy said" is really kind of not what actually happened there. As for Metos, I honestly don't have anything to add. I think that Jake brought up a good point, and they are some really sketchy cases. I don't know what to tell you there, other than occasionally I will find other people's cases compelling because Mafia is a game where that happens sometimes. I'll admit that the Foo read was not logicked in that post, so my bad! Partly it's because of something somebody told me in my first real game here - it feels like observation without analysis. He makes a lot of observations and reads, but doesn't provide support for them. There are some exceptions, but it's still something that bugged me. His D2 posting has been better on the whole, but it's still the pattern that I see.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:25 |
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Mafia edit: something somebody told me about my own posts and cases in my first game here
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:26 |
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Thank you for responding in a perfectly reasonable and non-antagonistic matter. Seems to be a rarity amongst the one line zingers and smug posts that permeate this game. I am more or less satisfied but I'll have to check your linked posts about Foo when I am not phone bound.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:31 |
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i think you will find that at least 2/5 of his linked posts about how i am not backing up my claims rather silly
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:33 |
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Captain Foo posted:i think you will find that at least 2/5 of his linked posts about how i am not backing up my claims rather silly How so? I mean, do you find it to be an unfair criticism? I'm perfectly willing to admit that you're providing reasoning in some of your more recent posts (which is helping me a lot in terms of figuring things out), but in general trying to read you is really, really challenging. Maybe it's on me because I'm reading in a vacuum, but I feel like I have to go back and read your entire filter every time I want to figure out your general feeling on somebody, and it's only day 2. There's no aggregation, it's just "this post is bad" or "I wouldn't vote this dude".
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:44 |
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I bet to is scum, don't let that cute cat lull you into a sense of complacency.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:47 |
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Flying Leatherman posted:How so? I mean, do you find it to be an unfair criticism? I'm perfectly willing to admit that you're providing reasoning in some of your more recent posts (which is helping me a lot in terms of figuring things out), but in general trying to read you is really, really challenging. Maybe it's on me because I'm reading in a vacuum, but I feel like I have to go back and read your entire filter every time I want to figure out your general feeling on somebody, and it's only day 2. There's no aggregation, it's just "this post is bad" or "I wouldn't vote this dude". basically what I'm saying is that I would have liked to see a "because" clause in all 5 of the examples I linked. I'd give a pass on KB because you did give some analysis later, but the other four really stood out as opinions in a vacuum, if that image makes sense.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 19:47 |
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Flying Leatherman posted:basically what I'm saying is that I would have liked to see a "because" clause in all 5 of the examples I linked. I'd give a pass on KB because you did give some analysis later, but the other four really stood out as opinions in a vacuum, if that image makes sense. imgay being not new isn't an opinion and trying to lump that post in with the others is disingenuous
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 20:17 |
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Captain Foo posted:imgay being not new isn't an opinion and trying to lump that post in with the others is disingenuous I meant to link the post immediately above that. Thank you for pointing it out.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 20:21 |
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Flying Leatherman posted:I meant to link the post immediately above that. Thank you for pointing it out. either way i think you will find that providing play-by-play observations is significantly, dramatically worse and unhelpful than providing reads with or without deep explanation observations are useless, reads are me making a statement about the state of the game, so in conclusion to your case nah
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 20:30 |
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Friction.123 posted:"Playing it safe" with two targets no one else is going after anymore (or at all in your case). Apparently making accusations about someone who replaces out is scum in which God help us if I'm right since no one can safely accuse you. Nice cop out/deflection I guess though. For your last point I've been asking all thread (because guess what I've never played with you gently caress ups before) about imgay's... unique posting style before and no one has bothered to say anything, until I accuse you and suddenly you deign to respond? I called it safe because your primary read was hung off lumpen's opinion and the others are defacto policy lynches for lurking and shitposting, these are uncontroversial positions but they conflate bad play with scumminess, it's cargo cult scumhunting. Refuting stuff would have required you to have demonstrated scummy behaviour in the first place and attacking a replacement player for suspiciously only responding after they started playing is so ridiculous I hope you have the decency to be embarrassed. Can you expand on the logic of thinking KB voting someone who you think is town is scummy please, why can't town be wrong or hold different opinions in your view? I thought you wrote smokescreen instead of cover for some reason but I meant this remark: Friction.123 posted:I also think that the whole lets wait until D3 thing (which Asiina insisted on but JakeP did not) was some kind of cover to avoid discussions when she needed to. It was a pre-start up joke referenced once in-game when she had little to no need to avoid the discussion: that is no kind of cover/smokescreen your point just makes no sense. King Burgundy posted:Yeah, I can see this now. I'd vote Friction. What do you think of Lumpen though? I didn't like his behaviour around the lynch or the way he's assuming authority of town demanding people accommodate him and his desire to complete his graph, and his lumpen list seemed rather arbitrary in places. But generally I don't tend to like his behaviour and often his obnoxiousness is inversely correlated to scumminess in my experience so I'm reserving judgment for the time being.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 20:30 |
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JakeP posted:im down to vote trasson but I want everyone to take a close look at metos i'd kill that guy. and also this next guy. King Burgundy posted:(1)*Went out of your way to make sure the town cop got cuddled (1) as the person who got murdered by democracy, even I can't really fault lumpen for encouraging that to happen. It was gonna happen anyway. It may have been better to let me live and see if a counterclaim occurred today, but it's not really fair to expect someone to make the most logically optimal decision in such a short time frame. I say this because it took like two minutes for the idea "yeah I should claim" to sink in. as for him trying to seem extra helpful, making charts and making obnoxious power level lists is what the dude does.. in like literally every game. I don't see how this or going after more obvious scum instead of attempting to catch ghosts is indicative of alignment. all three of these reasons seem like major grasping for straws (2) Trasson posted:Why is Billy a ninja? How is Billy a ninja? Can we roll that into his custom BSG character somehow? Asiina posted:So I totally reversed my position on Trasson, and I want to explain why in case I happen to die in the night cause I think he'll get railroaded D2. as jakep said, this is like, the most nulltell thing ever. in recorded history. the dude just made the claim that every player is literally required to make if we're not doing massclaim poo poo. i don't believe that THIS makes you think he's town when you've also characterized his posting as super lovely.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:27 |
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ihave to go to the bank but i'll post stuff about friction when I get back
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:28 |
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Gulag want to make an anime club on spaceship
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:29 |
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imgay posted:Gulag want to make an anime club on spaceship i'll join, not because i like anime, but because i feel a need to fit in
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:32 |
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Say what you want Gulag, I'm kinda done with this game. I didn't expect the level of meta you guys apparently play at, where everyone has their scum tells already figured out, and quite frankly I don't care enough to go through and figure it all out so I can play "correctly". I'd rather just lurk and be lynched, and save myself the headache. When I flip town and you've wasted another lynch I can just read the thread and not give two shits about appearing town anymore.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:34 |
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you're nowhere near being lynched.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:36 |
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Friction.123 posted:Say what you want Gulag, I'm kinda done with this game. I didn't expect the level of meta you guys apparently play at, where everyone has their scum tells already figured out, and quite frankly I don't care enough to go through and figure it all out so I can play "correctly". I'd rather just lurk and be lynched, and save myself the headache. When I flip town and you've wasted another lynch I can just read the thread and not give two shits about appearing town anymore.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:36 |
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Half this game is people who are either new or haven't played in a while. Meta stuff is really d1 stuff, and honestly a lot of the cases are not even meta things at all. That post is fake as gently caress.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:39 |
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Yeah I dont think I made a reference to anyones meta all game, and don't remember any casework really relying on it
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:44 |
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kash is scum anyways, a scummy dude. but town
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:44 |
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The way that is brought up feels like it was a result of a conversation he was having with his scumbuddies really, it doesn't feel organic at all to whats actually happening in the thread
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:44 |
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imgay posted:kash is scum anyways, a scummy dude. but town ya what a peice of poo poo
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:45 |
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GulagDolls posted:(1) as the person who got murdered by democracy, even I can't really fault lumpen for encouraging that to happen. That doesn't seem to be what you felt at the time: GulagDolls posted:WHY DID YOU CRETINS DO THIS!!!!!!
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:27 |
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Friction.123 posted:Say what you want Gulag, I'm kinda done with this game. I didn't expect the level of meta you guys apparently play at, where everyone has their scum tells already figured out, and quite frankly I don't care enough to go through and figure it all out so I can play "correctly". I'd rather just lurk and be lynched, and save myself the headache. When I flip town and you've wasted another lynch I can just read the thread and not give two shits about appearing town anymore. Uh huh.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:28 |
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Looks like I'll probably be at dinner during the last hour before deadline. Let's figure out what we are doing early this time.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:32 |
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King Burgundy posted:Looks like I'll probably be at dinner during the last hour before deadline. Let's figure out what we are doing early this time.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:35 |
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imgay posted:I'm in theater for 445 kungfu panda, heard its best anime of the year, so I won't read for like 2 hrs. story checks out
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:37 |
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Friction.123 posted:Say what you want Gulag, I'm kinda done with this game. I didn't expect the level of meta you guys apparently play at, where everyone has their scum tells already figured out, and quite frankly I don't care enough to go through and figure it all out so I can play "correctly". I'd rather just lurk and be lynched, and save myself the headache. When I flip town and you've wasted another lynch I can just read the thread and not give two shits about appearing town anymore. If you don't wanna play, replace out. It's what all the cool kids are doing atm
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:39 |
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King Burgundy posted:That doesn't seem to be what you felt at the time: Come on are you being serious here? (or are you kidding like Gulag obviously was in that post) Or do you honestly think that Gulag genuinely called us all Cretins unironically
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:42 |
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JakeP posted:Come on are you being serious here? (or are you kidding like Gulag obviously was in that post) I'm just loving with him.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:42 |
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imgay posted:I'm in theater for 445 kungfu panda, heard its best anime of the year, so I won't read for like 2 hrs. if imgay posts any spoilers can we have him modkilled please
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