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Trasson posted:Yeah, I just checked that, it just says in both the PM and the OP that it can't be roleblocked or jailed and it can even hit a jailed target, so Kashuno must have died to n1 poison. lol what PM? are you the SK?
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King Burgundy posted:Probably they poisoned someone else last night then. And tomorrow night there could be 3 kills, 1 sk, 1 nk, 1 poison from previous night. i don't think they can poison and kill in the same night?
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its not lylo as long as sk is around
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also I think its time to claim but will hold off until that is the consensus
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right, see, I forgot about accounting for poison. 1/4/6 starting, if we lynch town and three towns die that's 1/4/2. Seven remain, four votes to lynch, Mafia control the vote. They lynch town and SK kills a mafia, it's 1/3/1, they still control; that's a Mafia victory. 1/4/2, lynch town, SK kills a town, same result. From start, we lynch town, SK kills town, Mafia kill SK and a town, we go from 1/4/6 to 4/3, Mafia victory. A miss on the SK from doctor/jailer would result in 1/4/3, which is rough but technically winnable. A miss on town from any of those (no lynch, doctor/jail) gives us 1/4/4, which isn't the worst but still bad. If we lynch SK and the Mafia kill two towns we're at 4/4 which is a loss. If we no lynch we toss the dice on where the SK aims and if the Mafia poisoned, but as long as the SK lives it's technically winnable, I think. If we lynch a town and the SK aims town we're out if the Mafia poisoned, but still in it if they did a normal NK. If we lynch the SK and the Mafia poisoned we lose; if they didn't we still have a chance. So, in short, it's not straight traditional LYLO as I understand it, but I think it's close enough to be "oh god we're going to die if we screw up" territory as to make no difference. Will claiming actually help us? If it will, I'm for it, but I want to see everyone else's thoughts first because my gut instinct for this sort of thing is not the greatest.
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JakeP posted:lol what PM? are you the SK? the list of role PMs in the OP? Like, where the hell else would I pull that from? What would you call it anyway besides that? If I'd called it the doc or the google doc would I then be getting asked if I got the info from the scumdoc? Look, I'm new but I'd have to be an absolute moron to accidentally drop "oh, it says it's not stopped by bulletproof in my role PM" out right now.
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JakeP posted:i don't think they can poison and kill in the same night? We had one N1 death and two N2 deaths. One of those deaths was a bulletproof, which implies poison. This is backed up by the first night only having one kill. If Mafia poisoned N1 and N2, we get one death N1 from SK, two deaths N2 from SK and poison, and could potentially see 3 deaths N3 from SK, previous night's poison, and standard NK. It's the worst case scenario for town and ought to be accounted for.
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Update: she skipped swords to work poo poo out so still here, problem seems to be getting resolved so Yay me, but no posting from me until at least tomorrow morning Aus time. Sorry, but again relationship beats Mafia.
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what kind of a stupid dumbass would advocate or support a massclaim in any way.
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Bulletproof will still stop the SK kill. "Unstoppable" is just a cute name referencing its immunity to roleblocking/jailing/doc protect.
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gonna backflip into d3 w/ a ##vote metos
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Check this out, putting some things together... Right after D2 opened... Tommunist before being replaced by Gulag. Tommunist posted:One kill.... poison? Gulag on D1 before replacing Tommunist. GulagDolls posted:i agree that the [TheCog's massclaim] plan would work. GulagDolls posted:implies that cog and other players advocating the massclaim thing are different, for nebulous reasons. he says others even though I was the only one besides cog for the idea, GulagDolls posted:what kind of a stupid dumbass would advocate or support a massclaim in any way. Why the big stance switch? Gulag replaced in as Scum. I also think that Trasson is still Scum and posting info cribbed from a Scumdoc discussion again re:LYLO.
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Are you for a massclaim now, Lumpen? If not, why not?
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King Burgundy posted:Are you for a massclaim now, Lumpen? If not, why not? For me, though: &&Massclaim: yes
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Lumpen posted:Why the big stance switch? Gulag replaced in as Scum. I read that as a joke, FWIW. I'm still thinking about massclaim stuff, trying to math it out. I would say tentatively a good idea, based on how many people we have left, but I'll give a more nuanced opinion later today.
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&&Massclaim: yes
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i'll massclaim
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Lumpen posted:I also think that Trasson is still Scum and posting info cribbed from a Scumdoc discussion again re:LYLO. Now you're just reaching. If I were scum I wouldn't be iterating out the possibilities, I'd be laying low hoping at least some of the town would miscalculate and lynch themselves to death. Give your enemy every chance to screw up and all that. As for a mass claim, I'm vaguely for it but we don't have nearly enough yes votes to feel comfortable with it--by definition, we need at least six votes to be sure (as a group, not on a per person basis) there's at least one townies for it, and by my count there's four (not counting me).
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Trasson posted:Now you're just reaching. If I were scum I wouldn't be iterating out the possibilities, I'd be laying low hoping at least some of the town would miscalculate and lynch themselves to death. Give your enemy every chance to screw up and all that. We are at 5 with you. 6 if Gulag was joking. There are many people who are MIA so far today.
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King Burgundy posted:We are at 5 with you. 6 if Gulag was joking. yeah, just recounted. I think I was like "Jake said he supports, and then bolded a support, so subtract one from my number" except I had already taken that into account or something dumb. Still a really low number. Well, there's 28 hours to go, so still time. What's the number we're looking for, anyway? Like, assuming everyone puts in input, of course. I imagine a simple majority would suffice as well as be the number of town left, but I want to be sure.
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the scum are probably hanging back so they can claim after the town claims, and can excuse themselves for being busy. gently caress it lets just make it happen. Unfortunately I don't have anything cool to claim Im a versatile town
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Feb 4, 2016 22:45
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and really its not a question now is the time to claim, there might not be a tomorrow lets do it tonight
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Commuting, but if that's the consensus (and with multiple people left to check in I would imagine it will be), I am also a versatile backup
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Feb 4, 2016 22:47
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id max clame
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imgay posted:id max clame claim then dicklord
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I was a versatile backup. I became Backup Doctor. I targeted TheCog last night.
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I debated holding this last bit to catch someone in a lie, but meh. My action failed. So I'm assuming I was targeted by the Scum Roleblocker.
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now we're cookin with gas!
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i tracker, but last night
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what are your results
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i'm VB as well
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Trasson posted:Now you're just reaching. If I were scum I wouldn't be iterating out the possibilities, I'd be laying low hoping at least some of the town would miscalculate and lynch themselves to death. Give your enemy every chance to screw up and all that. "if i were scum" is often a scumtell!!
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I'm also a Versatile Backup. Let me get these claims added to the chart. Gimme a little bit. I think someone who's already claimed must be lying, just by numbers.
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Lumpen posted:I'm also a Versatile Backup. Let me get these claims added to the chart. Gimme a little bit. I think someone who's already claimed must be lying, just by numbers. Yup, that's 4 free agent backups claimed. There should only be 3 left since I got converted. So one of Lumpen, Foo, Jake, FL are lying.
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Will theoretically be 5 liars by the time everyone has claimed though. So waiting on everyone to come forward before I spend too much time thinking about it.
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n1 cpt foo went nowhere then n2 i was rb'd, as my image implies ofc
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imgay posted:n1 cpt foo went nowhere then n2 i was rb'd, as my image implies ofc Hmmm. That doesn't fit. Unless Jailing gives the same failure message as RB?
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i got action failed , then i asked about it and pod sent me that pic
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