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Scruffpuff posted:The engine was a huge part of it. The doubling-down doubly so. My money on the real problem, though, is on the insistence of having FPS and space flight using a single engine with no loading screens, necessitating the logarithmic complexity in integrating FPS, space flight, gravity on multiple planes, EVA, and huge spaces to hold it all. Chris tried to build the matrix with nothing but hopes and other people's money. My question is though is how much of this added complexity is from using CryEngine as the basis of this unified experience. Would Unreal Engine 4 or Unity or something be better? I know nothing about game engine featuresets, but can only extrapolate how bad CryEngine must be as they seem to be gutting almost everything except the renderer to make it work & endlessly blame the engine's weaknesses for reasons their bodge jobs don't quite work out.
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runsamok posted:My question is though is how much of this added complexity is from using CryEngine as the basis of this unified experience. Would Unreal Engine 4 or Unity or something be better? CryTek is also furious with CIG -- CIG poached a number of senior CryTek engineers in order to have the necessary expertise to make CryEngine work with what they wanted to do. That was being pretty heavily reported a year or so ago, but they've more or less burned that bridge in order to shoehorn an engine into doing something it was never designed to do in the name of visual fidelity. I think sometimes you have to make an early decision to design your own engine instead of using an existing one by analyzing the time and money it would take to modify existing code as opposed to crafting your own, and based on how far gone the initial deadlines are, I think CIG chose incorrectly. Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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runsamok posted:My question is though is how much of this added complexity is from using CryEngine as the basis of this unified experience. Would Unreal Engine 4 or Unity or something be better? Some one much smarter then me explained that CryEngine doesn't really do vehicles well out of the box. I am sure you would have run into problems with UE4 or Unity as well with something so ambitious. I am sure there is more like how CryEngine handles maps size and stuff like that I am not sure the other engines do it better though. Really it sounded like this game needed a custom engine because it was doing some pretty radical ideas.
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fuctifino posted:I think it's time for a picture of a cat 
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Vire posted:Excuse me sir they are blockers not bottlenecks. That's another thing I love, as a project manager. When a company starts developing their own jargon for things that probably don't need it. Blockers seems like a fine term in itself, but there's nothing better than trying to get people up to speed on a project and have your company's language be one of the most difficult obstacles to overcome...
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EightAce posted:Been thinking of titles for my tell all book when this shitshow ends. Pledge Fiction
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Vire posted:Excuse me sir they are blockers not bottlenecks. More like beta blockers, for when Ben's heart finally gives in.
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runsamok posted:My question is though is how much of this added complexity is from using CryEngine as the basis of this unified experience. Would Unreal Engine 4 or Unity or something be better? Others know far more than I do about this, but what I've gleaned from those people is that CryEngine was almost the worst possible choice, except that Chris was impressed with the visuals. Since this "game" is nothing more than giving gaming media impressive screen captures, and selling people pretty looking ships, it was the perfect choice for a scam rather than a game. Chris is a lot like his backers in that he is an autist who is easy to fool, and bright lights and pretty pictures impress and captivate him. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Scruffpuff posted:Others know far more than I do about this, but what I've gleaned from those people is that CryEngine was almost the worst possible choice, except that Chris was impressed with the visuals. Since this "game" is nothing more than giving gaming media impressive screen captures, and selling people pretty looking ships, it was the perfect choice for a scam rather than a game. Chris was more impressed with Crytek offering to make all the in-engine rendered promotional videos for the kickstarter.
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fuctifino posted:I think it's time for a picture of a cat
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I tried the alpha, it was pretty boring. Funny thing, I recorded some of it with Shadowplay, and the files are labeled "Squadron 42 - Star Citizen".
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There is only one blocker and it's name is Chris Roberts.
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Star Marine was only a blocker or two from being released.
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Khanstant posted:What happens when u die in SC? You get out of bed.
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Khanstant posted:What happens when u die in SC? u die irl jpeg art online
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Kramjacks posted:I tried the alpha, it was pretty boring. Funny thing, I recorded some of it with Shadowplay, and the files are labeled "Squadron 42 - Star Citizen". Um actually if you kept up to date you'd know that the different modules are in different, non-alpha stages. Player Hangar: pre-beta, 2nd pass, version 3 Arena Commander: post-alpha, amber review status PU: pseudo-alpha with phased enhancement segmentation Online pledge donation system: released!! Online media and community centers: released!! Ship sales module: closed-beta Ship Insurance Dealership: closed-alpha Ship Carwash: proof-of-concept w/ release to premium backers Ship repo yard for reversed pledges: released!! Also, all of them are still more robust and complete than any game* I have played in recent years. So please stop trolling and see you in the 'verse! edit: Star Marine: released!!* Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Khanstant posted:Is there any info on the greater cosmology of the SC universe? Who are the top gods and where are the sweet planes of existence? What happens when u die in SC? The "legit" answer is all your gear & consciousness transfers to your pre-selected next-of-kin & you start the whole cycle over. It's like space buddhism. The eight fold path of Christ Roberts.
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Tippis posted:I bit the bullet so others wouldn't have to suffer… Thanks for that, I'd sorta of skipped through it once before and trying to do it twice to confirm it was the video I remembered was painful. It's the layered delusions that get me every time, that guy is downright nasty to anyone who doesn't have his faith. All the evidence points to CIG not being able to do anything at all on time, but recent events would also confirm they can't do anything well or even remotely as described either. The same people who make excuses for all this behaviour will then say "Chris Roberts has now said" as if that means anything, anything at all. It's just all totally bizarre to me. For over two years now I've wanted people here not to get burnt by having too much money in this "game", after a while I wanted anyone who read the thread to at least be informed about what's going on and make their own decision (a strong hint to get your money out). Now I'm starting to think if CIG are being this obvious about ripping people off maybe those people need to learn a harsh lesson.
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fuctifino posted:I think it's time for a picture of a cat Exterminate! Exterminate!
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Colostomy Bag posted:Star Marine was only a Chris Roberts is the ultimate blocker.
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Khanstant posted:Is there any info on the greater cosmology of the SC universe? Who are the top gods and where are the sweet planes of existence? What happens when u die in SC? poo poo man I'm still waiting for someone to explain the lore behind this space fish 'presentation' 
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MeLKoR posted:Exterminate! Exterminate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdTELokKfCk AP posted:Thanks for that, I'd sorta of skipped through it once before and trying to do it twice to confirm it was the video I remembered was painful. Yeah, he goes on a whole lot about stuff that Chris has said and how this means that it will be finished any day now. Anything that has been shown in some state or another is somehow inherently “just around the corner” because if it can appear on screen, it must surely be as good as finished, right? While there might be the tiniest smidgen of truth to that as far as graphical assets go, he will happily apply the same logic to anything that actually involves some underlying mechanics and back-end. Images of a store have appeared, so the entire back-end and economy required for one to exist must necessarily be in place too. Hell, he keeps mentioning that ships are in some grey-box stage, which somehow means it's just some finishing touches that are missing — actually making all the underlying systems work is just a small matter of programming. Somehow. At no point does he seem to display any awareness of how visuals are not the same thing as mechanics or dynamics or backend systems. If it can be rendered, it is done; the more of it can be rendered, the more it is done. It's almost scary how assured he is of the impending release of all that functionality based solely on that logic. Tippis fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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No Mods No Masters posted:poo poo man I'm still waiting for someone to explain the lore behind this space fish 'presentation' What's the deal with the eyes on these things? They look like a missing texture error.
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My housemate has just asked me how Star Citizen got this point. I've been reading this thread consistently and I still don't have a solid answer. Mental illness is the best one I've got?
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No Mods No Masters posted:poo poo man I'm still waiting for someone to explain the lore behind this space fish 'presentation' That's a cool looking fish, in my unartistic opinion. What's $1000 UEC worth?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:That's a cool looking fish, in my unartistic opinion. What's $1000 UEC worth? $1USD Which makes the 100 UEC War Bonds they gave away to backers for the $100M "thank you" gift worth a cool thin dime!
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Mr.Tophat posted:My housemate has just asked me how Star Citizen got this point. It's a religion, it really is. There's no real evidence of a game, even their electric golf carts explode, you just have to have faith.
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No Mods No Masters posted:poo poo man I'm still waiting for someone to explain the lore behind this space fish 'presentation' You know how their ships have a bunch of extraneous wings and poo poo?
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Vire posted:Some one much smarter then me explained that CryEngine doesn't really do vehicles well out of the box. I am sure you would have run into problems with UE4 or Unity as well with something so ambitious. I am sure there is more like how CryEngine handles maps size and stuff like that I am not sure the other engines do it better though. Really it sounded like this game needed a custom engine because it was doing some pretty radical ideas. Cryengine is bad at physics. Its not what it was designed for since its supposed to be used for visual spectacle FPS. No game serious about vehicles use it except Mechwarrior Online and many mock it by calling it "Turret warrior Online" because you cant feel a difference between the handling of a 20 tons and 100 tons mech beside speed and acceleration.
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AP posted:For over two years now I've wanted people here not to get burnt by having too much money in this "game", after a while I wanted anyone who read the thread to at least be informed about what's going on and make their own decision (a strong hint to get your money out). Now I'm starting to think if CIG are being this obvious about ripping people off maybe those people need to learn a harsh lesson. You're a better man than I. The first time I heard about their pledge system and how many of the ships were hundreds of dollars are more, it struck me. 'It's probably a scam', I thought. 'But even if it isn't, balancing a game based on who spent thousands of dollars is a terrible idea.' Considering how long this has been going on, if you haven't gotten a refund by now, I don't have it in me to be sympathetic to you. Particularly if you're in for over $100. But then, I didn't have sympathy for people when Derek started being publicly opposed, and that was last year. Kind of my whole skepticism of Mr. Smart's campaign, though I agree with it... why save people with money in this? They've made their own bed, let them lie in it.
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Well, you where warned to vacate, where you not ? Working as intended.
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D_Smart posted:I've never priced my EA game at $100. What are you talking about? At one time you did, or at least you planned to. Derek posted:To all commanders & rookies alike:  The response in question The blog post cited in the response I only paid  so my question is still what it was that made you change your mind.
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Haskell9 posted:At one time you did, or at least you planned to. You just Derek Smart'ed Derek Smart. Congrats on breaking reality AND the legal system. Expect lawyers at your door within 2 weeks.
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Great Expectations (of lawyers)
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The thread is moving at an all-time slow. I think im going to go redbox Hitman and The Last Witch Hunter to kill some time.
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grimcreaper posted:You just Derek Smart'ed Derek Smart. Congrats on breaking reality AND the legal system. Expect lawyers at your door within 2 weeks. I've gone into hiding.  Also Derek - what I meant to show was the server unavailable message on the login screen, which I ought to have specifically mentioned, whoops. Edited: only server #1 won't let me log into the game proper. Server #2 works if I switch to it. Haskell9 fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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