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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Melthir posted:Wife's FiST arrives tomorrow. Any suggestions on break in oil. Some like to change the original oil once or even twice really early so you don't have the risk of any bits of engine floating around in the oil as you are breaking it in. I did mine at 350 and today at 5000. Using stock OEM oil and filter. Of course abide by all the instructions in the manual regarding mixing up engine speeds and all that. She's gonna love it!
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Feb 6, 2016 21:32
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Voltage posted:Not the hottest, but the 2017 US chevy cruze is a hatch now, 1.4t with a stick. This looks like some sort of infected wart or callus.
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Feb 7, 2016 00:07
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I don't think the exterior looks too bad. The interior on the other hand - if you're going to wholesale copy one of your competitors at least choose someone with a better layout than Ford
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Feb 7, 2016 00:45
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Another convient thing I found with the FiST is thagt walmart carries the OEM Motorcraft filter (and oil) for a few bucks.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:00
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Voltage posted:Not the hottest, but the 2017 US chevy cruze is a hatch now, 1.4t with a stick. The color certainly isnt flattering ill say that. is that a pre-existing GM color (it looks like the yellow used on the Camaro somewhat but I dont think it is) or is it some kind of tone deaf copy of the Focus' tangerine scream? Much of Chevy's current styling and designs, especially on crossovers and most of their sedans are just so incredibly bland Ripoff posted:their target audience (current 16-25 year olds) are more interested in the number of ways their car can interface with their cellphone, read tweets/texts aloud and basically do anything but driving. and this seems to be what GM is relying on to sell these vehicles. Mariana Horchata fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Feb 7, 2016 |
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Feb 7, 2016 02:19
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Oil catch cans. Worth it if I'm adding to the car? Also what's the difference between stage one and two. If this question is stupid I apologize in advance I'm used to working on marine engines and a POS (unstoppable ) bronco
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Feb 7, 2016 02:45
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Dr.Caligari posted:Another convient thing I found with the FiST is thagt walmart carries the OEM Motorcraft filter (and oil) for a few bucks. Yep, that's where I get mine. $17 for the oil and filter.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:46
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The veloster forum is hung up on catch cans, usually put two on. When they show watch they catch though it is likst 90% fuel then a mixture of condensation and oil. I would like an opinion on this. It seems it doesn't help with carbon build but they just ramble about lspi too...
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Feb 7, 2016 03:09
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Mariana Horchata posted:Much of Chevy's current styling and designs, especially on crossovers and most of their sedans are just so incredibly bland Chevy's current designs feel so... corporate. Like when a large company does a big rebrand, and now all their design is consistent, but it's consistently terrible. I like when a car company manages a unified look and feel for their cars, but if you're going to do that, make sure it looks real good and that the design language can fit each type of vehicle. Audi and BMW are good examples of doing it right.
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Feb 7, 2016 06:50
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I really don't think the BMW corporate design scales down well either
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Feb 7, 2016 06:55
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 The new generation 1 series looks pretty good i think, it was mostly the droopy headlights that ruined the last one.
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Feb 7, 2016 10:50
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Killstick posted:
That and the crease in the door of the pre-facelift models that made them look like they were sagging in the middle.
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Feb 7, 2016 11:01
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jammyozzy posted:That and the crease in the door of the pre-facelift models that made them look like they were sagging in the middle. Was that ever fixed in the US models before they killed the 1 series name?
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Feb 7, 2016 17:16
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Christobevii3 posted:The veloster forum is hung up on catch cans, usually put two on. When they show watch they catch though it is likst 90% fuel then a mixture of condensation and oil. I would like an opinion on this. It seems it doesn't help with carbon build but they just ramble about lspi too... Seems like a big thing in the Fiesta ST community as well, so I'm also interested in hearing people's thoughts. Is it actually doing something helpful or is what it's collecting basically a placebo?
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Feb 7, 2016 18:37
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On engines that are prone to carbon build up, oil catch cans do nothing to prevent it. On engines that aren't prone to carbon deposits, any difference it makes will be so minor it will be lost in normal wear and tear on the engine. If you have to remove the head to clean carbon deposits you may as well port the exhaust manifold, throw in some new cams, maybe upgrade the turbo while you're at it. 
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Feb 7, 2016 21:09
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Christobevii3 posted:The veloster forum is hung up on catch cans, usually put two on. When they show watch they catch though it is likst 90% fuel then a mixture of condensation and oil. I would like an opinion on this. It seems it doesn't help with carbon build but they just ramble about lspi too... It's not a terrible idea, IMO. It can't hurt in SPI reduction but the real cause (that I know of so far) has a lot to do with engine oil, so try changing that up to something else/better. I like the idea of catch cans but don't really care for the added maintenance of emptying it and monitoring the level of it. AOS's where they dump back into the sump on their own seems the best method to me.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:41
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Does even one single production car from any manufacturer come from the factory with an oil catch can? With how long they've been around if they actually did something worthwhile the manufacturers would have included it in their designs long ago.
GutBomb fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Feb 8, 2016 14:15
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My mazdaspeed Miata has one. No idea whether it does anything worthwhile though.
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Feb 8, 2016 15:26
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VW and Audi had them on models to help with carbon build up but didn't so stopped on next models
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Feb 8, 2016 16:52
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GutBomb posted:Does even one single production car from any manufacturer come from the factory with an oil catch can? With how long they've been around if they actually did something worthwhile the manufacturers would have included it in their designs long ago. You forget that automakers can't just make things however they want just because there's a benefit. There's cost, emissions regulations, and probably a billion other layers of red tape in the way of getting something approved. With more turbo DI engines being more mainstream, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that was done from an OEM or some other form of mitigation vs. SPI, knock, and that junk pooling up in intercoolers/charge piping.
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Feb 8, 2016 17:49
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Ripoff posted:As for your original question, one of the big things that I've always wondered about is why Chevy and Dodge don't participate in the hot hatch segment anymore, Chevy is getting back in the game, I like it. 
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Feb 9, 2016 02:08
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leica posted:Chevy is getting back in the game, I like it. It bears repeating it's not even a good copy: 
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Feb 9, 2016 02:15
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fyodor posted:It bears repeating it's not even a good copy: Isn't the Chevy like a quarter smaller though?
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Feb 9, 2016 02:19
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GutBomb posted:Does even one single production car from any manufacturer come from the factory with an oil catch can? With how long they've been around if they actually did something worthwhile the manufacturers would have included it in their designs long ago. BMW has had oil/air separators since at least the late 90's.
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Feb 9, 2016 02:21
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Rhyno posted:Isn't the Chevy like a quarter smaller though? If so, still not even a good copy: 
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Feb 9, 2016 03:30
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Cellular Suicide posted:If so, still not even a good copy: Yeah, those sure are all different hatchbacks.
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Feb 9, 2016 03:38
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fknlo posted:Yeah, those sure are all different hatchbacks. Looks more like a Civic hatch or a current Scirraco. Why do companies keep wasting the space by downsloping the hatch so much?
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Feb 9, 2016 17:41
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veedubfreak posted:Looks more like a Civic hatch or a current Scirraco. Emissions and or safety is usually the answer, right?
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Feb 9, 2016 17:53
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veedubfreak posted:Looks more like a Civic hatch or a current Scirraco. I'm not really convinced it wastes all that much usable space.
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Feb 9, 2016 17:53
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fyodor posted:Emissions and or safety is usually the answer, right? Aerodynamics for fuel efficiency as well. I'm guessing a traditional hatchback design creates a poo poo ton of drag.
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Feb 9, 2016 17:57
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm not really convinced it wastes all that much usable space. It really cuts into the height of stuff you can jam in the boot.
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Feb 9, 2016 18:00
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fknlo posted:Aerodynamics for fuel efficiency as well. I'm guessing a traditional hatchback design creates a poo poo ton of drag. Yea I meant aero under the blanket "emissions" clause. It's why every hood is the same and every wheel well is rimmed with a chopped vertical edge.
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Feb 9, 2016 18:13
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I just did a quick comparison of the popular catbacks available for a FoST. The following is a representation of my reactions: MBRP  Cobb  Borla  Roush 
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Feb 12, 2016 08:12
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Does a catback even do anything for most modern cars any more other than giving you a bit more sound? Isn't most of the restriction at the downpipe/cat? Also, why are aftermarket exhausts so drat expensive these days. Is stainless steel becoming a rare commodity?
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Feb 12, 2016 19:32
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veedubfreak posted:Does a catback even do anything for most modern cars any more other than giving you a bit more sound? Isn't most of the restriction at the downpipe/cat? Stainless is not, but demand is driving the exhausts up, in my opinion. I'm gonna learn TIG welding and make my own loving exhaust out of stainless pipes and it'll be pennies compared to what retailers want.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:50
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veedubfreak posted:Does a catback even do anything for most modern cars any more other than giving you a bit more sound? Isn't most of the restriction at the downpipe/cat? Catbacks do not do much, you're right. And downpipes tend to add power simply because they remove or reduce the size of the cat. They are all absurdly overpriced. Edit: other than change the sound (catbacks)
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Feb 12, 2016 19:57
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willroc7 posted:Catbacks do not do much, you're right. And downpipes tend to add power simply because they remove or reduce the size of the cat. They are all absurdly overpriced. The FoST exhaust note is particularly subdued. By the time you've done a down pipe and catback you may as well do the full stage 3.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:15
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Most modern cars are bottled up at the header/downpipe for sure. But I'm not sure using a header + stock exhaust isn't still reducing gains you would see from going full 3" all the way back or whatever. Depends on the car probably.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:17
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veedubfreak posted:Does a catback even do anything for most modern cars any more other than giving you a bit more sound? Isn't most of the restriction at the downpipe/cat? On the veloster turbo in 2016 there is a post cat so if you tune at all it will cut power due to the restriction. But yeah you might gain a few hp for a ton of money.
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willroc7 posted:Catbacks do not do much, you're right. And downpipes tend to add power simply because they remove or reduce the size of the cat. They are all absurdly overpriced. I was surprised to find that the MBRP (the 'XP' stainless steel one) catback for the Fiesta ST is only about $400-500 shipped. I think I may go for it since it's one of my favorite sounding of the exhausts that are available in a guilty pleasure sort of way (as it sounds closest to the Abarth, the FiST doesn't sound bad at all but it's just too drat quiet on the outside in comparison). I will miss the stealthiness of the FiST is stock form but I'm sure I'd get over that pretty quickly. But yeah a catback alone is only going to net a slight boost of 8-10hp or so but like I said that's not the main reason why I'd be buying it.  If that's what I end up doing I think that will make me happy for a while as I'm still not really dissatisfied with the stock level of power (or handling, or anything else really - it's really an amazing car and everything feels very balanced as well) after owning it for about three months now. I also don't feel like getting involved with tuning once again just yet and would much rather be spending that money on another motorcycle instead to keep the mileage down during the nice months...and then maybe going with the Mountune MP215 kit or something equivalent next year and calling it a day. I feel like I'm already going to be ripping through sets of tires quickly enough as it is anyways and retaining warranty coverage would be nice.  this little shitbox so much!
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