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Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Private eye has responded to my email, what di start with? the stretchgoals page?

Link them to articles about the issues with the game too perhaps, such as the escapist article.

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Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

AP posted:

Pick one of these up to start.

Then gradually work your way up to this.

You forgot to drop your referral code

# ? Feb 9, 2016 16:56

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Beet Wagon posted:

Solar Plebeian

Smartbomb should disable enemy ships by overloading the screen with blog text. Maybe we can get D_Smart's permission to use actual blog text so he doesn't sue the pants off everyone. Disabling the ship makes it easier to loving finish the fight by ramming them straight to hell.

Planet Awful could be a wonderful vacation spot, where visitors can shop, relax, and go sight-seeing. Daily safaris take visitors out to witness the primitive and warlike Gh�n in their natural habitat. Just be careful, the smell of fun enrages the primitive Gh�ns, and they will attempt to destroy any game they see, especially if it is being played by one of the frog-like peoples of Rebbit VII.

By throwing poop, but using telekinetic abilities, so they don't have to touch it. (Except for those of them that like to.) Also, Planet Awful has a strict no refund policy.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 16:58

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Samizdata posted:

By throwing poop, but using telekinetic abilities, so they don't have to touch it. (Except for those of them that like to.) Also, Planet Awful has a strict no refund policy.

mmm that's some good flavor-text right there.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:01

runsamok: Jan 12, 2011

From the thread on the forums where the backers wonder WTF happened to one ship as it went from the concept artist in LA to an actual asset ~~managed~~mangled out of Foundry 42 in the UK.

I honestly can't believe CIG lets him post at all.

(This is the same fuckwit asshat selling his AMD driveless space heater for the price of a used car)

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:02

Norefund14days: Feb 2, 2016; NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU PARP IN SPACE.

D_Smart posted:

...and it's about to get a whole lot worse. Two weeks.

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# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:03

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

AP posted:

Pick one of these up to start.

Then gradually work your way up to this.

Don't forgot the spare change in the sofa cushion to pick up a Javelin to fill out the fleet.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:03

Rocksicles: Oct 19, 2012; by Nyc_Tattoo

c2usaf2004 posted:

Is Oleg running this game?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:05

hanales: Nov 3, 2013

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Private eye has responded to my email, what di start with? the stretchgoals page?

Dude delete the dude's name.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:05

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

runsamok posted:

From the thread on the forums where the backers wonder WTF happened to one ship as it went from the concept artist in LA to an actual asset ~~managed~~mangled out of Foundry 42 in the UK.

I honestly can't believe CIG lets him post at all.

(This is the same fuckwit asshat selling his AMD driveless space heater for the price of a used car)

I dunno. I mean it's bad, but is it CIG bad?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:06

Rocksicles: Oct 19, 2012; by Nyc_Tattoo

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

That's a pretty big question

First define "cost" and "play"

Also do you mean the shitstain available today, the single-player FMV game or the Minimal Multiplayer online game?

Why is there a difference?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:06

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I dunno. I mean it's bad, but is it CIG bad?

Nah, not really. CIG bad would have been scheduling the ship for a complete rebuild because six people on the forums bitched.

Even if it was delivered in a douchey way, I gotta support the "Look, we're on a loving deadline here" answer anytime CIG gives one (once every leap year).

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:11

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Rocksicles posted:

Why is there a difference?

I'm glad you asked!

Until February 14th, you can get both triple-AAA titles for the low-low price of $45-$17,500 (add VAT if you're in Europe) - depending on whether you want one ship or ~~all~~ most of them. After that, the costs for ships will remain the same but the lovely FMV game will cost an additional $45 - if it's ever released it will probably cost $60 after launch.

If you can't wait to throw yourself into the Verse, the game is available for FREE until the 14th.

If you like theorycrafting, CIG has stated that the multiplayer game will neither require a subscription or be p2w - you'll not be able to buy the bigger ships for real cash after launch, and everything will be available in game. There will be limits to the amounts of CIGbux you can purchase, and the CIGbux are pegged to USD at 1000:1 ratio.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:14

runsamok: Jan 12, 2011

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I dunno. I mean it's bad, but is it CIG bad?

This isn't the first time he's waded into a feedback thread & PAAAARPED himself all over the feedback spouting nonsense about deadlines, pipelines & so forth before disregarding it all. Threads CIG specifically requested when they put the Vanguard in early to collect feedback on when it could still change the ship.

Total feedback collected: one thing. (they angled the wings back down to anhedral).
Total feedback ignored: thousands of posts.

If you can, look at the Shipyard forums. None of them are as active & overwhelmingly negative as the Vanguard but they keep on sending/letting Paul into the trenches to attempt to defend his poo poo job on one of the most popular concepts, much to the chagrin of some of the whales.

(Paul's poo poo work, ostensibly at the behest of management is the thing that pushed me over the edge & had me swimming to the shore of the brown sea.)

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:15

it dont matter: Aug 29, 2008

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

.

Ignore the internet drama, stick the money aspect. How much they've taken in, how much they're charging for pictures of spaceships and vague ideas, the possibility that it's been misused, and how they've got little to show for it after four years yet are denying refunds (against EU law).

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:19

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I'm glad you asked!

Until February 14th, you can get both triple-AAA titles for the low-low price of $45-$17,500 (add VAT if you're in Europe) - depending on whether you want one ship or ~~all~~ most of them. After that, the costs for ships will remain the same but the lovely FMV game will cost an additional $45 - if it's ever released it will probably cost $60 after launch.

If you can't wait to throw yourself into the Verse, the game is available for FREE until the 14th.

If you like theorycrafting, CIG has stated that the multiplayer game will neither require a subscription or be p2w - you'll not be able to buy the bigger ships for real cash after launch, and everything will be available in game. There will be limits to the amounts of CIGbux you can purchase, and the CIGbux are pegged to USD at 1000:1 ratio.

$1000 USD per CIGbuck? Sounds dreamy. And as I said, it IS P2W. Pay 2 Wait.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:19

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

maybe Brazil peanut should pass that off to someone who didn't get tricked into buying an account by the premium spoiler post thing lol

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:23

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

runsamok posted:

This isn't the first time he's waded into a feedback thread & PAAAARPED himself all over the feedback spouting nonsense about deadlines, pipelines & so forth before disregarding it all. Threads CIG specifically requested when they put the Vanguard in early to collect feedback on when it could still change the ship.

Total feedback collected: one thing. (they angled the wings back down to anhedral).
Total feedback ignored: thousands of posts.

If you can, look at the Shipyard forums. None of them are as active & overwhelmingly negative as the Vanguard but they keep on sending/letting Paul into the trenches to attempt to defend his poo poo job on one of the most popular concepts, much to the chagrin of some of the whales.

(Paul's poo poo work, ostensibly at the behest of management is the thing that pushed me over the edge & had me swimming to the shore of the brown sea.)

I'm not a backer, so CIG hilariously lock me out of their feedback threads

I mean sure, it's a poo poo thing to say "yeah we always welcome feedback please contribute we're open development and want all of you to contribute" and then ignore it all. By their standards though, I'd say saying "yeah lol nobody's working on your lovely ship, suck it up" is one step ahead of Ben's constant "oh boy do we ever work on that! We'll have everything anybody wants and more very, very, very soon"

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:23

it dont matter: Aug 29, 2008

Google Butt posted:

maybe Brazil peanut should pass that off to someone who didn't get tricked into buying an account by the premium spoiler post thing lol

He can tip off Private Eye to the shady dealings of Lowtax. Even his name suggests something dodgy is happening. They love a crooked lawyer story as well so definitely mention Leonard "J" Crabs.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:24

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Samizdata posted:

$1000 USD per CIGbuck? Sounds dreamy. And as I said, it IS P2W. Pay 2 Wait.

Uh, think I wrote it right? "CIGbux are pegged to USD at 1000:1"

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:24

Iglocska: Nov 23, 2015

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Uh, think I wrote it right? "CIGbux are pegged to USD at 1000:1"

In Sweden maybe, in the fourth stimpire 1000:1 refers to the number of executions you have to watch daily.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:26

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Iglocska posted:

In Sweden maybe, in the fourth stimpire 1000:1 refers to the number of executions you have to watch daily.

Does that include if the execution is your own because you blinked during the other ones or are you not required to watch your own execution?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:28

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Yep, the genius of CIG pays off. This was the whole intention all along.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:29

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Beet Wagon posted:

Does that include if the execution is your own because you blinked during the other ones or are you not required to watch your own execution?

Weren't the ones who blinked subject to some eternal horrific punishment or other, rather than execution?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:30

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yep, the genius of CIG pays off. This was the whole intention all along.

Loaf isn't the only thing putting you to shame, Grizzle.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:30

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yep, the genius of CIG pays off. This was the whole intention all along.

The gently caress is wrong with these people

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:31

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Whoa, you claim you have an excuse?!? My bad loaf, literally shaking here with shame. Have a pizza!

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:32

Iglocska: Nov 23, 2015

Beet Wagon posted:

Does that include if the execution is your own because you blinked during the other ones or are you not required to watch your own execution?

Fair question. I think they'll give you a discount and you can use your own as the 1000th.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:35

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

You know, I've played a lot of betas. Seen a lot of alphas. Been involved in a handful of pre-alphas. Outside of gaming, I've been involved with every step of the process. I have to say that I've never seen any game, even the pre-alpha ones, in a state like I see the PTU. It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone would log onto that and have anything other than :siren:

going off in their head the entire time.

Everything about the PTU beggars belief. The very first seconds of the experience, with a non-interruptible getting-out-of-bed animation, set off the first alarms. Seconds later, the head-bob and motion blur. Then the generic environments and the hitching. In the first few seconds, you know the game is total poo poo. And the best part is, it only goes downhill from there.

The really insidious part is that there are glimpses of fun here and there - like chocolate sprinkles mixed throughout the worst Mexican poo poo you've ever taken. That said, no matter how scrumptious the sprinkles, we're seeing people who prefer to sift through the poo poo for those sprinkles rather than buy one of countless competing chocolates that are just as good and are actually pure through and through.

This game will one day be someone's Ph.D. - no question.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:41

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

Scruffpuff posted:

You know, I've played a lot of betas. Seen a lot of alphas. Been involved in a handful of pre-alphas. Outside of gaming, I've been involved with every step of the process. I have to say that I've never seen any game, even the pre-alpha ones, in a state like I see the PTU. It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone would log onto that and have anything other than going off in their head the entire time.

Everything about the PTU beggars belief. The very first seconds of the experience, with a non-interruptible getting-out-of-bed animation, set off the first alarms. Seconds later, the head-bob and motion blur. Then the generic environments and the hitching. In the first few seconds, you know the game is total poo poo. And the best part is, it only goes downhill from there.

The really insidious part is that there are glimpses of fun here and there - like chocolate sprinkles mixed throughout the worst Mexican poo poo you've ever taken. That said, no matter how scrumptious the sprinkles, we're seeing people who prefer to sift through the poo poo for those sprinkles rather than buy one of countless competing chocolates that are just as good and are actually pure through and through.

This game will one day be someone's Ph.D. - no question.

Derek Smart's 7th Ph.d

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:43

eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

All right, let's do this. Props to Derek for having a lot of this stuff readily available.

1) Changing the terms of service regarding refunds when it became apparent they weren't going to hit their deadlines

v1.2
https://web.archive.org/web/20150221120446/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
v1.1
https://web.archive.org/web/20130921105506/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
v1.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20130813122132/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
v0.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20120913232426/http://robertsspaceindustries.com/terms

With respect to the delays, the first thing to emphasize is the original release date of November 2014 as specified in the Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/description). Then you should emphasize how in their original FAQ they said that increasing the scope would not delay the schedule (https://web.archive.org/web/20121103204818/http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen-faq/), and then point out how that is no longer the case according to Chris Roberts (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14839-Letter-From-The-Chairman).

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12734-Draft-FAQ

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14839-Letter-From-The-Chairman

2) Denying refunds on the basis of "Game completion" (I will put this alongside some of the recent videos that should demonstrate how transparently false this is)

For this one you'd want to start with correspondence between yourself and CIG with them denying the refund. Then you point to this:

Community Manager Jared Huckabee admitting that Star Citizen isn't even in alpha by industry standards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__BVG8bx-e0&feature=youtu.be&t=36m20s

Community Manager Jared Huckabee and Director of Community Engagement and Online Strategy Ben Lesnick admitting that nothing is finished: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QV7tYjhnWAw

The only video you need to show is Chris Roberts himself playing Star Citizen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynUq7wM

3) Evidence of refunds being issued just a few months ago and evidence of refund denial now due to the whole "14 days" thing despite that not being anywhere in their terms.

Here is an example of an individual being offered a refund by CIG customer service without even asking: http://i.imgur.com/ZWFeWdx.png
Here is an example of an individual being refunded by CIG without requesting it: http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Email-to-Derek-Smart-from-RSI-700x350.jpg
By August 2015 CIG had issued over 1,200 refunds, and Roberts includes that being "really upset" is a valid reason for a refund: http://massivelyop.com/2015/08/22/star-citizen-has-refunded-over-1200-backers/

4) Evidence that they now intend to drop major sections of the game despite having sold them previously- statements like them disregarding Star Marine, among other things.
There are currently three core features that were originally advertised as part of the Kickstarter and have now either been cancelled or put into question:

Original: "Single Player � Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)"
Now: Isolated co-op missions outside the campaign.

Original: "Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)"
Now: "We will be live and in operation for some time before anybody even looks at private servers."

Original: We have backed Oculus Rift and will support it in Star Citizen / Squadron 42.
Now: "I can't answer that."

In addition, Squadron 42 has substantially changed. Originally it was a recreation of Wing Commander. It is now an open world game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IehITxsK4Fs&t=1h26m39s

5) Some links to articles about the shaky nature of the game- I'll use the Escapist for sure, but if there are others it'd be helpful.

Rather than focus on the company, I would emphasize how a product that is less than a year away from release still hasn't been shown to anyone.:

First article: http://www.pcgamer.com/inside-squadron-42-star-citizens-ambitious-singleplayer-campaign/

Second article: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/star-citizen/artikel/star_citizen_squadron_42,48820,3239947.html

wowzers

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:45

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

The gently caress is wrong with these people

This jewel made me lmfao

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:45

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

Less viewers than 12-14 year old games. LOL

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:46

eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

vice city speedruns are fun as hell to watch, also

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:47

Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

Another quick bit of concept art for Star Plebean:

A new alien race called the Chilldankli (because they like to chill and they do it dankly, it's genius)

They like to help crashed pilots so long as they're cool, but if anyone doesn't want to party or calls the cops they can get pretty rude

They fly around in a growhouse class frigate

don't steal any of this poo poo

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:48

fuzzknot: Mar 23, 2009; Yip yip yip yip yip

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Weren't the ones who blinked subject to some eternal horrific punishment or other, rather than execution?

Somebody needs to show to Sandi before her next audition.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:49

eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

the no pubes thing seems like something the Stimpire would do

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:49

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Scruffpuff posted:

You know, I've played a lot of betas. Seen a lot of alphas. Been involved in a handful of pre-alphas. Outside of gaming, I've been involved with every step of the process. I have to say that I've never seen any game, even the pre-alpha ones, in a state like I see the PTU. It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone would log onto that and have anything other than going off in their head the entire time.

Everything about the PTU beggars belief. The very first seconds of the experience, with a non-interruptible getting-out-of-bed animation, set off the first alarms. Seconds later, the head-bob and motion blur. Then the generic environments and the hitching. In the first few seconds, you know the game is total poo poo. And the best part is, it only goes downhill from there.

The really insidious part is that there are glimpses of fun here and there - like chocolate sprinkles mixed throughout the worst Mexican poo poo you've ever taken. That said, no matter how scrumptious the sprinkles, we're seeing people who prefer to sift through the poo poo for those sprinkles rather than buy one of countless competing chocolates that are just as good and are actually pure through and through.

This game will one day be someone's Ph.D. - no question.

I was thinking about how staggeringly they hosed up the 2.0 release on the way to work today. The thing of it is a good 2.0 release would have bought these guys so much loving time, if they hadn't backed themselves into a corner where they absolutely HAD to fart out 2.0 right now, there'd be no chaos on the forums, no dissent in the ranks. For all the head-bob and unskippable animations and poo poo, there are a lot of people who genuinely find 2.0 fun - or at least they would if it weren't for the constant stream of bugs, crashes, and jankiness.

In a world where 2.0 released with better server support, fewer bugs, a party system, and a little less jank, CIG could be focusing on whatever they want instead of hunting down dissenters and shipping them off to labor camps.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:52

Khanstant: Apr 5, 2007

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I have some simple rules to help you remember which is which no problem.

You know how your lips move when you yawn? That's pitch!

You know what to do when you pitch a stupid idea, and people shout you down? You then roll with the punches from side to side! That's yaw.

You know how you want to punch Croberts right in the yaw, and how his vision then goes pitch black? You then roll him over to take some fun pics for the thread

Hope this helped you commando o9

i hate you

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Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

Gilganixon posted:

Another quick bit of concept art for Star Plebean:

i colored it in this time so you preverts wouldn't go around hunting for dicks again

# ? Feb 9, 2016 17:53

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