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Gilganixon posted:that's a $10 million stretch goal commando of course, I understand game development
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Sarsapariller posted:Yep, I got everything out through the grey market and refunds, and then put some of the profit back in during the launch of 2.0 because I am gullible and thought they were finally moving forward. I'm mostly including the TOS changes to indicate how willing they are to ratfuck their customers. The crux of the argument is still solid, I think- they sold a package with 8 ships and two games, took the package off the website, refused to issue any release dates, pushed out some broken garbage and claimed they had fulfilled their end, denied a refund based on a 14 day statutory period not mentioned in their terms, and generally acted shady as hell. Allright then I think you have some work to do. Your purchase was made under the latest TOS, and a lot of the arguments I put together won't work because they occurred before you made your purchase. Instead I would focus on the following: 1. The items are substantially different from what was originally marketed. Specifically CIG has begun to pull back on features that were promised in the very beginning. This includes the removal of VR support as well as private servers. In addition the removal of Star Marine, a major feature that has been promised for over a year, is also a substantial change. In particular I would emphasize what Chris said about how you have FPS and boarding, and then indicate that simply is not the case. 2. I'm assuming your denial refund is the same boilerplate as the others. Make the argument that CIG's refund policy is arbitrary and inconsistent, and point to things like Chris's statement that they will be happy to issue refunds to people who aren't happy and the 1200+ refunds already issued. Also point to how CIG is saying a substantive portion of the game was delivered and yet both Ben and Jared have said nothing is finished. Emphasize that there is no 14 day statutory refund period. 3. Indicate CIG's attempt to intimidate you out of exercising your right as a consumer. I wouldn't put too much on the delivery dates because frankly you signed on after they pushed SQ42 back to 2016. Your best bet is to focus entirely on how the product has, in the last month, been significantly devalued and how CIG has started to deny refunds on the argument that the game is already delivered.
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loving lol @ buying back in after being a regular in this thread. What is wrong with you? 
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Daztek posted:And the VerseBusters saga continues I'm the use of bold to emphasise important points.
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How the gently caress did I think this was a good idea? I sampled Chris's own airhorn, enjoy
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TTerrible posted:loving lol @ buying back in after being a regular in this thread. What is wrong with you? Sarsapariller is going to be one of those old folks who keep sending money to scammers after the bank, the police and all their relatives tell them it's a scam 
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Sarsapariller posted:Yep, I got everything out through the grey market and refunds, and then put some of the profit back in during the launch of 2.0 because I am gullible LOL That's not gullibility just plain old stupidity.
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serious norman posted:So if 2.0 is pre-alpha. What is alpha then? 3.0? And they are on.. 2.1? Lol. Star citizen has star citizened software versioning.
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Chalks posted:I'm the use of bold to emphasise important points. It could be worse.
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Berious posted:Sarsapariller is going to be one of those old folks who keep sending money to scammers after the bank, the police and all their relatives tell them it's a scam If anyone who has been reading this thread since August has bought back in they deserve to lose their money.
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Berious posted:Sarsapariller is going to be one of those old folks who keep sending money to scammers after the bank, the police and all their relatives tell them it's a scam God help him with Stretch Goal 110 mil then: "Home Shopping Channel RSI special"
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I think Sarsparilla's mission reports were lots of fun to read, so I'm cool with him spending his cash to entertain me.
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TTerrible posted:If anyone who has been reading this thread since August has bought back in they deserve to lose their money.
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TTerrible posted:If anyone who has been reading this thread since August has bought back in they deserve to lose their money. They should just give everyone in this thread 100 bucks because that is less stupid than giving money to CIG.
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DandyLion posted:God help him with Stretch Goal 110 mil then: "Home Shopping Channel RSI special"
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Feb 9, 2016 19:33
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Oh you beautiful sonofabitch. Yes, get Private Eye in. Though, imagining Hislop's reaction to SA would be interesting.
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Imagine being the person that saw 2.0 and said "Hmm yes this looks fine and good have some more of my money"
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Allright then I think you have some work to do. Your purchase was made under the latest TOS, and a lot of the arguments I put together won't work because they occurred before you made your purchase. Instead I would focus on the following: 1. Covered to some extent but I don't really want to get into the weeds of features added/removed- a lot of it amounts to a slap fight over piddling details that no bank is going to care about. I pointed out the removal of Star Marine in (4) and Chris's "It's already in" in (4b), and I've added mention of the cancellation of VR support (4c). I cannot link the marketing from the original package because they removed the package from their site- that in itself is pretty telling. 2. More or less, yes. Working on this. Added a printed email from another backer who received a refund just last week, as well as two articles about mass refunds in (7). Added a link to Jared's interview where he says no aspect of the game is finished to (3c) 3. Done in (6a) and (6b) TTerrible posted:loving lol @ buying back in after being a regular in this thread. What is wrong with you? I had so much fun with refunds the first time, I wanted to do it again.
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Sedisp posted:Imagine being the person that saw 2.0 and said "Hmm yes this looks fine and good have some more of my money" Hey expectations were pretty loving low in November Not $2500 low though 
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ShredsYouSay posted:Oh you beautiful sonofabitch. Yes, get Private Eye in. Though, imagining Hislop's reaction to SA would be interesting. 
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Sarsapariller posted:Well I did back the game in the first place, so I guess call me foolishly naive. But I don't really have hope that it'll be good, mind you. I'm just willing to admit I was wrong about it not coming out at all. And with that, I cannot understand why they didn't spend more of today emphasizing their progress. This was the point the pony person decided to say "You know what I'm ready for round 2.0" Sedisp fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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LOL. I can't believe he originally tried to sell this heap of poo poo for £3,500 just because of a few stickers. What's a fair price for this? ~£600?
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Sedisp posted:This was the point the pony person decided to say "You know what I'm ready for round 2.0" 
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Seriously Sarsapiller dude leave your bank out of it youre an idiot that spent more money on Star Citizen you lose. man. Chris Roberts got yo money
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fuctifino posted:LOL. Depends, 600 paid by the buyer or the seller?
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Sarsapariller posted:I had so much fun with refunds the first time, I wanted to do it again. Hello friend, would you like to buy my spaceship
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fuctifino posted:LOL. Well it sounds stupid when you talk about money like that real question is what would you rather have: a heap of not-in-game space ships or an in-real-life computer gotta think like a Citizen commando
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Sarsapariller might just be the dumbest person in this thread. Even more so than people like Octopede. At least they have just been blinded by optimism. The Sarsapariller class Whale Ship will be loyal to you after it's lost all faith in you.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Well it sounds stupid when you talk about money like that Yeah, but that computer is AMD, which is like buying Star Citizen instead of Elite Dangerous
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Daztek posted:Yeah, but that computer is AMD, which is like buying Star Citizen instead of Elite Dangerous Hilariously, I've seen people getting like 20 downvotes on /r/starcitizen for bashing AMD Why are people stupid
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wait when you bought back in you spent $2500?? this thread never ceases to deliver
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Google Butt posted:because its a hacked together cryengine mod Is Cryengine not very good? What would have been a better engine to use which would have at least not have the spaceships poo poo themselves any time they interact with another physics object?
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Hilariously, I've seen people getting like 20 downvotes on /r/starcitizen for bashing AMD Those people totally deserve an AMD system.
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Madcosby posted:wait when you bought back in you spent $2500?? Holy loving poo poo I missed this, I thought it was $50 or something. Hahahha
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fuctifino posted:LOL. Imagine the thought process when listing it. £3,500 seems like a lot of money but this is Star Citizen... better make it an auction in case there is a bidding war and I can actually get more than £3,500 for it.
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Daztek posted:Yeah, but that computer is AMD, which is like buying Star Citizen instead of Elite Dangerous AMD FX-9370 CPU - 220W TDP
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Iglocska posted:Those people totally deserve an AMD system. Stimperor located
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The first bunch of spaceships weren't that good, but let me try $2500 more of them
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