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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

guts and bolts posted:

I'm confused I thought Derek Smart was the enemy, is he not that

Wasn't there some kerfluffle I read about in the annals of something awful dot com lore, doing basically the same thing Star Citizen is doing ("making" a "game" that will "never come out" the "way it was promised to release")

Derek is whatever you want him to be. Tiger-fucker, Coke machine killer, Programming Savant, anything you could possibly dream of.

Because dreams. Dreams happen now!

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Einbauschrank
Nov 5, 2009

I don't want to know when the "game" and the "movie" are to be released. I want the fresh influx of bitter Shitizens. I demand SilverBullet! Where is S/He? Will it take "2 weeks" for him/her to join us? Will we have to read in Dr. Smart's blog about it?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

guts and bolts posted:

I'm confused I thought Derek Smart was the enemy, is he not that

Wasn't there some kerfluffle I read about in the annals of something awful dot com lore, doing basically the same thing Star Citizen is doing ("making" a "game" that will "never come out" the "way it was promised to release")

nah, derek smart chilled out and started fitting in and it's actually kind of weird but here we are

he's alright

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Xaerael posted:

The premise is an ex-videogame maker come Hollywood failiure in exile, and his wannabe actress wife found one wierd trick to extract millions of dollars from simple minded nerds.

And now Goons hate them!

(Not really, but we WILL mock them until the end of the 'verse...)

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Kimsemus posted:

Question of the hour: Is there a development studio or team on the face of the planet that could pull of Star Citizen?

Let's assume that:

1) Chris/Sandi Roberts are not involved in any way.
2) As far as "pull off" I mean, following the bullet points of promises as outlined in the funding milestones and kickstarter.


I'm really wracking my brain, and I can't think of a team with the unlimited funding, time, and expertise to do this. So to me, CIG being incompetent is not the reason SC will never happen, it's just that eventually, especially after the *original* funding promises were met, that the game became impossible.

Also with the new gas truck thing, having to fuel poo poo manually? Why do they insist on making awful things I don't want to do in real life and transcribing those terrible jobs into a video game I'm supposed to play in my leisure time?

Elite: Dangerous, hth

Samizdata
May 14, 2007
For the sake of our fond shared memories...


:pgabz: says PAAAAAAAAAARP!

Ezekeel
Nov 18, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Derek is whatever you want him to be. Tiger-fucker, Coke machine killer, Programming Savant, anything you could possibly dream of.

Because dreams. Dreams happen now!

Derek is one the best Coke machine ninjas in the world and always has been since he was a little girl.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

What weirds me out about the "safe PvP" whale insanity is their implicit belief that CIG are going to stick around and manage an MMO. Nothing in their actions suggests to me anything other than a piece of poo poo dumped out and a quick getaway to a tax haven. But these guys are all "CIG will protect me in my Space Second Life", seemingly able to ignore even just the PR disaster alone unfolding around them, less the complete absence of any infrastructure planning or long-term management. Servers will freeze, ganking opportunities are guaranteed because the game is like a swiss cheese of bugs, but most of all the basic attitude is wrong-headed from the start and dooms it to fail.

Even assuming they do stick around for a while, no one on the evidence of forum moderation can seriously believe that this lot could manage the shitstorms generated by the average MMO. They would be completely half-hearted about it except for preferential treatment (clearly expected by the whales), and the whole thing become unsustainable very quickly. And the best part about that would be that the whales still wouldn't get that it was a pathetic sham.

It will end not with a bang but a whimper. And somewhere, someone is learning from it and will launch the next whale-trap.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Ezekeel posted:

Derek is one the best Coke machine ninjas in the world and always has been since he was a little girl.

:vince:

wait here. I'll got fetch my nipple clamps.

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012

Xaerael posted:

Dear newbies to the thread. We get you're here to hate on idiot star citizens, and dig your eagerness to mock a lovely community and a bad game. But sometimes people go overboard and say lovely things. Amongst these lovely things is hating on "batgirl" for being apparently trans. This isn't cool, and you're acting like a lovely redditor by doing so, and makes the thread look less like a comedic critique of a washed up has-been, who was given too much money, and more like a hatemongering platform for transphobic idiots.

As we've said many times before, hate the choices star citizens make, not the hand they were dealt at birth. Hating on trans folk makes you look like a moron who can't accept modern day science.

We're better than that. Don't lower yourself to reddit standards.

This was a public service announcment, please return to your regular scheduled parping.

Well then. Right'o chap. Lets science the hell out of this thing. Because modern science. modern science.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

D_Smart posted:

:vince:

wait here. I'll got fetch my nipple clamps.

Looks like we found The Stimperor, boys. Time to pack it in!

A Loud Fart
Sep 9, 2011

A Loud Fart posted:

Seriously, is Roberts hiding in the UK and pretending he's Englishman for 2/3's of a year to hide his company's malfeasance? 4 years in and they have nothing to show for SQ42, and wont have a game until the end of next year? And it doesn't concern investors, good lord I am in the wrong business! The Monkeys on RtV can't even talk about the state of any of their modules, or development, and it devolves into Ben scratching his dander ridden head and that whitebeard auto banning dissent. This is garbage, and there is apparently little recourse.

Early prediction: 8 playable space missions and 2 FPS shoot mans. 2 Hours of mocap poo poo.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

Clamp it in, Stimpailures

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.

Sushi in Yiddish posted:

Clamp it in, Stimpainliures

Fixed it for you.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/318131/disapointment

:lol:

quote:

PS: that fat guy from front page on write: take my little money, buy ticket to earth and land hardly, hopefully on your head.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Are we sure that The Stimpire Nation didn't begin with Starcraft? I distinctly remember screaming every time I went to upgrade my stimpacks...

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Samizdata posted:

Do I have to do ALL the lore work here? A napkin? How about a fetid filthy bandage, studded with corrosive covered glass? Serioulsy, just turn around and walk away if you can't properly represent the Glories Of The Stimpire....

Listen, just because the Fourth Stimpire is a nightmarish authoritarian hellscape where people are ground up for losing at sports doesn't mean they can't have nice things.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

ewe2 posted:

What weirds me out about the "safe PvP" whale insanity is their implicit belief that CIG are going to stick around and manage an MMO. Nothing in their actions suggests to me anything other than a piece of poo poo dumped out and a quick getaway to a tax haven. But these guys are all "CIG will protect me in my Space Second Life", seemingly able to ignore even just the PR disaster alone unfolding around them, less the complete absence of any infrastructure planning or long-term management. Servers will freeze, ganking opportunities are guaranteed because the game is like a swiss cheese of bugs, but most of all the basic attitude is wrong-headed from the start and dooms it to fail.

Even assuming they do stick around for a while, no one on the evidence of forum moderation can seriously believe that this lot could manage the shitstorms generated by the average MMO. They would be completely half-hearted about it except for preferential treatment (clearly expected by the whales), and the whole thing become unsustainable very quickly. And the best part about that would be that the whales still wouldn't get that it was a pathetic sham.

It will end not with a bang but a whimper. And somewhere, someone is learning from it and will launch the next whale-trap.

The still entrenched shitizens will just continue their delusions and believe whatever they're told. At this point, they're so hypnotized by crisp parpberts' "say yes to everything" cash extraction technique that they could be told a naughty dog stole all the jpegs, and they have to start from scratch, please send more cash to make your wildest dreams come true, and they would believe it.

I honestly get stuck between laughing till my sides hurt, and despairing at the total lack of common sense and spending control.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Google Butt posted:

Alternatively you could just ignore those posts like everyone else instead of looking like a crazy person yourself

No calling people out for lovely behavior is absolutely okay.

Ezekeel posted:

People are 'hating on batgirl' (thanks for dragging this thread down to the Taylor Swift level of discourse) because she is a dumb SC shill who cheers other morons with lack on self control/respect on to throw insane amounts of money at this garbage project. I has nothing to do with the fact that she is a trap. Why would you hate that in the first place. Chicks with dick = best of both world. Seriously, I think Caitlyn Jenner Nikki d'Angelo is a gorgeous and courageous woman.

"People are hating on her because she's a shill! Please ignore half of my post that is entirely about her gender"

ComfyPants
Mar 20, 2002

Beet Wagon posted:

Listen, just because the Fourth Stimpire is a nightmarish authoritarian hellscape where people are ground up for losing at sports doesn't mean they can't have nice things.

How do they even have time to manufacture gangrenous glass bandages when every citizen is forced to stare unblinking at each of the 14 billion daily executions while booing lustily? Their economy is questionable.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

I think the stimpire might be







unsustainable

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

You know actually now that I think about it there are a number of logistically unsustainable practices that I've observed in stimpire lore.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

:smugdog:

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


guts and bolts posted:

I'm confused I thought Derek Smart was the enemy, is he not that

Wasn't there some kerfluffle I read about in the annals of something awful dot com lore, doing basically the same thing Star Citizen is doing ("making" a "game" that will "never come out" the "way it was promised to release")

Derek is the only man who is going to make sure that history does not repeat.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?
thank you for the update, godspeed

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

Dusty Lens posted:

You know actually now that I think about it there are a number of logistically unsustainable practices that I've observed in stimpire lore.

Too Stimp to fail

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

ComfyPants posted:

How do they even have time to manufacture gangrenous glass bandages when every citizen is forced to stare unblinking at each of the 14 billion daily executions while booing lustily? Their economy is questionable.

Clearly they must have a thriving torture porn fetishist tourism industry. "Come visit the Stimpire, one visit and you'll be hooked!"

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Xaerael posted:

Clearly they must have a thriving torture porn fetishist tourism industry. "Come visit the Stimpire, one visit and you'll be hooked!"

Like with a giant loving hook. We will actually hook you.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


You'll be having a wooden horse thing that you sit on and it busts your balls of a good time.

A Loud Fart
Sep 9, 2011

Dusty Lens posted:

You know actually now that I think about it there are a number of logistically unsustainable practices that I've observed in stimpire lore.

Every one of them is dead. Deskeletonized, arms and legs missing.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Xaerael posted:

Clearly they must have a thriving torture porn fetishist tourism industry. "Come visit the Stimpire, one visit and you'll be hooked!"

Make this a Valentine's Day card, tia

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


A Loud Fart posted:

Every one of them is dead. Deskeletonized, arms and legs missing.

Forevereal deskeltonized and loving it.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





I will provide you guys with more Josephine Ruinedface fanfiction tomorrow evening if I'm not eaten by sharks in the morning. It's bout to get good probably.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
your loving avatar is so gross man

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

Kimsemus posted:

Question of the hour: Is there a development studio or team on the face of the planet that could pull of Star Citizen?

Let's assume that:

1) Chris/Sandi Roberts are not involved in any way.
2) As far as "pull off" I mean, following the bullet points of promises as outlined in the funding milestones and kickstarter.


I'm really wracking my brain, and I can't think of a team with the unlimited funding, time, and expertise to do this. So to me, CIG being incompetent is not the reason SC will never happen, it's just that eventually, especially after the *original* funding promises were met, that the game became impossible.

Ok, few pages back, but I'm gonna try to answer this honestly. I've thought a lot about it. I'm not sorry about the length.

No, I don't think it's possible to make a game of Star Citizen's scope today. It's not because game engines can't do it. It's because we lack the communication and dev tools required to break the art-code boundary.

There's a huge problem in game design that's been there from the start: 3d art assets are tightly coupled to the code that controls them, but they are developed almost completely separately by people with very different kinds of brains. Artists operate in the visual control space. Programmers operate in the logical control space. These modes of thought aren't very compatible. This problem becomes magnified by scope, which is another word for complexity.

The pressure on the art-code boundary rises exponentially with increased complexity. This is why simple games with limited scope have been hitting so hard, and why large projects with unbounded scope keep falling flat. Fallout 4 is a good game, but you can see right where the vision and the execution exploded and had to be walked back to feasibility.

No one can deny CIG has brilliant artists, and very talented programmers. But we can all see what's happening: Some senior 3d artist takes specific vision for an asset and works hard, using every ounce of their technical and creative knowledge to build that asset. Then, through a primitive and largely un-evolved process, they "hand it off" to the engineers, who have poured out every ounce of their capability into a complex framework to control those assets, which meets the technical requirements. Without fail, when the engineers are handed the assets, they go "gently caress. Well, that's not gonna work with the system we've designed." So they hack apart their logical framework, or send it back to the artist to hack apart their visual framework, or both (usually both), and generally squash and dismember the original intent just to get the loving thing to work at all.

Now, throw into this the third wheel, the "visionary," who sees this compromised end-product, and says "Guys, this isn't good enough. Do it again." The artists and engineers know that in a way he's right. He's just an idiot for asking for it in the first place, and not giving them the tools to succeed. But gently caress it, they're still getting a paycheck so they embark again to get it right, and end up make the same exact mistakes.

This is the precise loop that SC is in right now, and the only solution is to reduce complexity. That's the only possible way anything will ever be playable. This is why Derek is spot-on when he says this game won't be delivered as described. But Chris won't do it.

The bottom line is, Chris Roberts is a loving fool for having such hubris and ignorance. You think it's "revolutionary" to take every feature you think is cool and throw it in a soup?? That's the opposite of vision. A visionary sees what other don't, and everyone has seen what he does, and said "nope, that's a terrible idea, because it's not feasible."

Toops fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Feb 13, 2016

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

your loving avatar is so gross man

Thanks, I think?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

D_Smart posted:

Now that we can detect gravitational waves, you spastic twerps over there on the last page, can you detect this message coming from p1870?

I greet you from the future, Derek Smart.

Tokyo Sexwale
Jul 30, 2003

T.G. Xarbala posted:

I think the stimpire might be







unsustainable

of all the things that bother me about the stimpire, the worst would have to be the sustainability

kuarduck
Nov 15, 2012

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

I greet you from the future, Derek Smart.

Or, by the time he reads it, the past.

edit: it sounded better in my head. leave me alone.

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big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

A Loud Fart posted:

Every one of them is dead. Deskeletonized, arms and legs missing.

Only people born on July 14th are deskeletonized. Please staple your eyelids to your forehead and reread the Stimpire lore.

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