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Kimsemus posted:I think there is the common misconception that many of the developers give a gently caress about SC being completed or not, and are instead just producing high quality assets for a company and collecting a paycheck. You're assuming that they all should jump ship because SC is destined to fail, instead of just getting paid and quitting when they stop getting paid, because that is how most jobs work. Not talking about the developers earning a penny - that's life. I'm talking about outside; the ones putting money in - not those poor crunching buggers keeping food on the table. E: Hell, at least lots of the developers at CIG are doing great work on their portfolios for later 
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:... The total lack of evolution on combat soured me on Star Citizen, long before I found SA and before Derek Smart's treatises started appearing. Star Citizen was sold as a combat-first game, which would then grow into a wider universe. That was acceptable to me, as long as the combat element of the game was locked down. But it became glaringly apparent that CIG doesn't care about combat gameplay. I wonder if Chris Roberts couldn't handle the criticism from releasing Arena Commander early and, consequently, he became totally disinterested in that facet of gameplay altogether. My interest in the game faded as CIG drifted away from that initial combat focus. In that sense, the whole controller argument, mocked here, was a canary in the coalmine. CIG sold the game as the return of joystick flown space-sims of yore, but CIG basically stopped caring about joystick implementation altogether. This was the first sign that Star Citizen had mutated beyond it's original pitch. It was also the first sign that CIG would go back on promises without any remorse. Which brings me to B'Tak. I don't get why people in this thread think his ideas are insane. I think that he represents the logical conclusion of Star Citizen ship sales. CIG has a moderate to large number of backers who have spent thousands of dollars on large multi-crew ships. Those ships are sold as part of a wish-fulfillment scheme, CIG sells the fantasy of being the biggest, baddest, space whatever and you can buy that ship and lifestyle. Were the PU released as sold, the largest backers of CIG will have a fleet of ships they cannot hope to maintain, operate, and defend by themselves. The resulting environment is not compatible with a competitive MMO game. High-level whales want to be Gods among Men in the PU, they spend hundreds and thousands to achieve that status. CIG knows that, ship sales are structured towards that fantasy. As continued ship sales are necessary in an eventual PU, we should expect this pattern to continue. Which leads us to the conclusion that the PU will look very similar to what B'Tak wants, an P2W no, that isn't strong enough to capture CIG's money-making scheme, a Pay 2 Fantasy world. To appease the whales, CIG will structure the game so that there is this hierarchy of success and safety, the top is available to anyone who wants to spend enough. B'Tak's crazy ideas aren't that crazy, if you think that he represents the ideal CIG customer. Someone willing to spend lots of money to feel awesome. On a separate note, I suspect that CIG is reworking all of the ships because CIG needs to cut poly-count. If you look at the original Vanguard versus with final PU Vanguard, there are clear signs of decreased polygon use through the entire model. CIG can barely get the game working right now, to get a releasable product, they need ships which are not resource intensive. Of course, this is backward game design, but what do I know?
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Kimsemus posted:I think there is the common misconception that many of the developers give a gently caress about SC being completed or not, and are instead just producing high quality assets for a company and collecting a paycheck. You're assuming that they all should jump ship because SC is destined to fail, instead of just getting paid and quitting when they stop getting paid, because that is how most jobs work. The one good thing guaranteed to come out of Star Citizen is that a huge number of artists will be able to add some top notch work to their portfolio.
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Moogle posted:Not talking about the developers earning a penny - that's life. I'm talking about outside; the ones putting money in - not those poor crunching buggers keeping food on the table. Ah, I understand! It actually reminds me of the people that invest in obvious MLM or ponzi schemes -- they desperately want to believe a 20% ROI quarterly is a real thing, so they dump their money into it because they so desperately want reality to be the way they perceive it. Sandi pulls this trick on backers every single day -- " Look at what could be, if only you give us your money, all your dreams can come true!" But they don't. It's all a lie, and people lose everything. Beer months ago made a post about how Sandi is going to handle it when SC fails and some backers put a gun in their mouth. I don't think he was being funny or hyperbolic. I, sadly, truly believe this is a thing that will happen. Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Exactly that; in the same vein I wouldn't accept financial advice from somebody who thinks they can earn $$$ while they sleep with this one neat trick... (hedge fund managers hate him!)
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My honest discussion with Reddit on the nature of trolling is received with mixed feelings  https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/45g7li/perverse_the_verse_why_are_there_so_many_trolls/czxm2bx
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Someday i'll do something worthwhile with my life, until then......you'll get this poo poo.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Someday i'll do something worthwhile with my life, until then......you'll get this poo poo. Shill Plympton Or Stool World
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Shill Plympton I should have given him a tophat and a monocle.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:https://twitter.com/Myre_Test/status/698532205866389504 There are some superb 3rd person demos out there, that isn't the issue. For example this: https://share.oculus.com/app/mythos-of-the-world-axis Is amazing and your point of view is from high above the play area. The issue is the way your character gets his movement ripped away from the player, for example when you get out of bed (wtf ) your character models goes on a set path to stand up, so unless you yourself are lied down at that point irl and get up at the same speed as your in game character then no amount of 'IT IS ALPHA THEY WILL HAVE FREE LOOK' will help - you'll feel loving sick. The nerds like me who have lived with VR for what, I dunno, almost 3 loving years now know this - we aren't guessing, we know it to be true. Same with how you spin around in chairs for some unknown loving reason, you'll feel ill.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Someday i'll do something worthwhile with my life, until then......you'll get this poo poo. Same here. Happy Valentine Crobbeldischnobbel! 
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KM Scorchio posted:Can we get an embedded PAAAARRP air horn audio playing in this thread, interspersed at random intervals with Derek making cryptic predictions as to the future actions of CIG based on insider sources? I want the halls of CIG HQ to reverberate with the sound of air horns as they desperately listen in hoping to keep up to date on their own failures. I use it, on occasion. Tune in at BeyondTheHorizonRadio.com - NOW! I have some interesting audio clips from SXSW and NASA.
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Are these the same idiots that are scared of PvP?
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Sperglord posted:Which leads us to the conclusion that the PU will look very similar to what B'Tak wants, an P2W no, that isn't strong enough to capture CIG's money-making scheme, a Pay 2 Fantasy world. To appease the whales, CIG will structure the game so that there is this hierarchy of success and safety, the top is available to anyone who wants to spend enough. B'Tak's crazy ideas aren't that crazy, if you think that he represents the ideal CIG customer. Someone willing to spend lots of money to feel awesome. I think you're giving CIG too much credit by assuming that they have factored in the expectations of their crazy whales when planning the gameplay. I mean they've barely planned the gameplay at all, but it cannot have escaped them that their funding model is extremely broken when it comes to post-release projections. Once the game is released these whale backers will stop buying new ships and start playing the game. What CIG wants at release are high sales figures, which means they need to appeal to your standard $50 off the shelf player of which 95% of their playerbase is comprised. If they don't produce a game that's good for a normal player the whole project will get panned across the pc gaming world and that will instantly kill it. If that happens, no amount of catering to a minority of whales is going to help them, it will still be fatal. CIG are happy to take the money from whales knowing that their expectations will never be met. Sperglord posted:On a separate note, I suspect that CIG is reworking all of the ships because CIG needs to cut poly-count. If you look at the original Vanguard versus with final PU Vanguard, there are clear signs of decreased polygon use through the entire model. CIG can barely get the game working right now, to get a releasable product, they need ships which are not resource intensive. Of course, this is backward game design, but what do I know? Yeah, I'm certain you're right on that. The ridiculous focus on fidelity has to have a breaking point and I think they've been there for a while now. You can't just keep releasing million polygon pieces of artwork forever, at some point you're going to need to make them work in a game at which point you might as well start again from scratch because your polygon budget will be blown to hell instantly. The style over substance mentality of this entire project is astonishing.
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Happy Sisyphus posted:One good example was the bartender at the local pub. nice fanfic you weirdo
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Had a good chuckle last night thinking about b'tak and everyones fear of piracy unless the pirates are kooky lovable pirates
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darkarchon posted:Images broken pls fix Mirificus posted:
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no way the guy talking to the bartender girl with a reddit mom isn't fake posting
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Google Butt posted:no way the guy talking to the bartender girl with a reddit mom isn't fake posting that was based on a real post man i dont know what to tell you
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Chalks posted:I think you're giving CIG too much credit by assuming that they have factored in the expectations of their crazy whales when planning the gameplay. I mean they've barely planned the gameplay at all, but it cannot have escaped them that their funding model is extremely broken when it comes to post-release projections. Once the game is released these whale backers will stop buying new ships and start playing the game. What CIG wants at release are high sales figures, which means they need to appeal to your standard $50 off the shelf player of which 95% of their playerbase is comprised. I disagree here, Free to Play games make something like half the income from under 1% of the players. We know CIG is responsive to the needs of the high spenders, the subscriber forum and rumored super-whale concierge services confirm that. In this environment, I expect CIG to continue catering to that high spending crowd through gameplay, etc. What will happen is that CIG will continue releasing ships which cater to the B'Taks of the world, and the B'Taks will keep buying them. A $50 dollar player would come in, buy a basic fighter, and play a correspondingly basic amount of time.
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I was walking down the street wearing my bunny makeup and holding my crossbow with a tennis ball on it and this hot girl comes up and went "Do you know anything about Star Citizen?" and I said "Yes. But if you want to know more you have to give me a blowjob." So she dropped to her knees right there and started blowing my dickcheese covered genitals and I told her about how cool my idris was. Then a group of cheerleaders came by and started feeling me up and I told them they could "crew my turret" anytime they wanted IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT.
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Sunswipe posted:[QUESTION] Is Money tiny or sitting really far away? "He's just sitting near Ben. He's regular size"
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Someday i'll do something worthwhile with my life, until then......you'll get this poo poo. He looks like Mr. Dink from Doug
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New pleabian citizen stretch goal. Get the stimpire on CNN, or MSNBC. Can you imagine if Anderson Cooper had to do a story about the stimpire? paaaarppp
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Oh hey look at this badge of shame I found in the bottom of a drawer: 
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xanif posted:I was walking down the street wearing my bunny makeup and holding my crossbow with a tennis ball on it and this hot girl comes up and went "Do you know anything about Star Citizen?" and I said "Yes. But if you want to know more you have to give me a blowjob." So she dropped to her knees right there and started blowing my dickcheese covered genitals and I told her about how cool my idris was. Then a group of cheerleaders came by and started feeling me up and I told them they could "crew my turret" anytime they wanted IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT. Dude you must be a total chick magnet, what's your secret?!?! 
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Kimsemus posted:Oh hey look at this badge of shame I found in the bottom of a drawer: The horror...it lives in a drawer? My god man, what if you are at a bar? You could just lay it out in front of you and start a discussion of SC with the bartender.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Are we sure that The Stimpire Nation didn't begin with Starcraft? I distinctly remember screaming every time I went to upgrade my stimpacks... The stimpire is now. 
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hanales posted:The stimpire is now. well he's definitely a paedo, 100%. Or he uses rentboys..... Nah he's definitely a Nazi.
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aleksendr posted:I see it as a time saving measure. Before you had to type in context and explanation for shiposting, but now you simply Since no one outside this thread knows what you're talking about the most sophisticated use I expect to encounter in the future will be variations of  
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Kimsemus posted:Oh hey look at this badge of shame I found in the bottom of a drawer: Where's your stash of Nazi memorabilia?
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A Neurotic Jew posted:my mind read that card as "united stimpire of earth" It's edges are honed to razor edged protection to perform a penectomy. Or it can strike up conversations with other nerds.
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xanif posted:I was walking down the street wearing my bunny makeup and holding my crossbow with a tennis ball on it and this hot girl comes up and went "Do you know anything about Star Citizen?" and I said "Yes. But if you want to know more you have to give me a blowjob." So she dropped to her knees right there and started blowing my dickcheese covered genitals and I told her about how cool my idris was. Then a group of cheerleaders came by and started feeling me up and I told them they could "crew my turret" anytime they wanted IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT. Well. That was enough Internet for the day. I think I'm gonna go scrub my eyes with lysol filled scouring pads.
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hanales posted:The stimpire is now. No seed-spilling here. I collect all my sperm in a jizz jar. That is fine and God will not be angry with me, right?
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Cobblers posted:That thread seems to have been deleted. I suspect Roberts poached it for the squadron 42 script and had the original scrubbed lest his theft was detected. Have you heard back from TommyNoble or Zealot, and if so, what did they say?
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Berious posted:What actually happened is a female glanced at his nerd shirt so he launched into a 30 minute lecture on stretch goals and saving PC gaming while she pretended to listen and served other customers Even in their wildest fantasies shitizens are still bitchmade betas.
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