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Made my last Star Citizen transaction this past week. It's been awhile since I last logged in to the RSI site (since I sold all my ships on the market). I've been completely stuck with Beer's Caterpillar (thanks, Beer!), though. which he sold me last January during one of his purges, so like it or not I have a permanent $225 investment in SC. The only issue was, I stood to gain nothing from that standalone ship at all, only if SC actually went live would I actually have access to it. To my surprise/delight on the RSI site, there was an "unmelt store" which had the small collection of things I melted, including my ORIGINAL pledge ($30) for an Aurora LX, back during kickstarter days. Figuring to hedge my bets, I melted the Cat', unmelted the Advanced Starter LTI package, and was all set. I now have access to SC, SQ42, and digital goodies, just in case any of them ever come out. I'm only doing this because I hope that, at the very least, SQ42 comes out and I can enjoy some single-player space sim fun (I cut my teeth on X-Wing/TIE/WC/SL, and before that on Atari's Star Raiders). I trust Erin a ton more than I trust Chris to put out good product, at any rate. I could care less about SC now. Yesterday, I realized I was still sitting on $195 of store credit and figured I would use that up. There was only one option. I bought the Constellation Andromeda upgrade. It's funny, because that's the package I originally wanted during the kickstarter, but space madness hadn't kicked in for me yet. I've come full circle! My balance on RSI is finally $0. My bets are hedged. I am 100% stuck with the ship that I have, and I spent $0 extra doing it. Aside from eventually downloading SQ42, this will probably be my last transaction with the RSI site. Now, back to our regularly scheduled "life" program... 
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Stalkerr posted:Made my last Star Citizen transaction this past week. I'm not following the "only interested in SQ42 but spent $195 on a space ship that won't be usable in SQ42" thing you've got going on here.
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Stalkerr posted:Made my last Star Citizen transaction this past week. I guess this is the bargaining stage?
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Chalks posted:I'm not following the "only interested in SQ42 but spent $195 on a space ship that won't be usable in SQ42" thing you've got going on here. It's money I spent over a year ago, when I was still interested in SC. Effectively it's trapped value... might as well get some promise of future return (a package) rather than absolutely zero (a standalone ship). Even if it's all just ephemeral anyway, and is effectively "checking a box".
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D_Smart posted:Sorry man, the game is in development and servers go up/down all the time. Though we were working it yesterday, I don't see a problem. Can you try it again? Us west 01 keeps giving the same drat ERR1010 without fail. 02 connects, although the lag is something horrible. Then again I do live in Finland so I'm not going to hold that out on you too much. Gotta say though, the lack of collision detection on the model is really jarring when my gun constantly disappears into walls and whatnot. Never mind those bots either.. Other thing though is that the hand placement on heavy guns looks really hosed up.  Where is that hand coming from? My chest? Besides, it's obscuring the gun model completely.
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Stalkerr posted:It's money I spent over a year ago, when I was still interested in SC. Effectively it's trapped value... might as well get some promise of future return (a package) rather than absolutely zero (a standalone ship). Even if it's all just ephemeral anyway, and is effectively "checking a box". I believe there is a third course: Get a Refund.
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MeLKoR posted:Derek Smart's Grabby Hands The Stims
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Sillybones posted:I believe there is a third course: Get a Refund. I don't believe that's possible when the only ship in your hangar is one you bought from a third party after the "can only trade a ship once" cutoff? I could be wrong. Besides, I already made a profit off this game last year on the market. I'm not "mad about spaceships", not enough to go through the effort to make a refund happen anyway. I've written off the money I have trapped in RSI. If something happens, great, I get to benefit. If nothing happens, oh well, I learned my lesson a long time ago.
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Feb 14, 2016 14:46
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Sillybones posted:I believe there is a third course: Get a Refund. Didn't they basically cut off all refunds, especially for grey market shits?
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Beet Wagon posted:Didn't they basically cut off all refunds, especially for grey market shits? Yes. All refund requests get the '14 day hurr game is finished" notice. So you have to fight it. CIG is going to do whatever they can to keep your money.
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Stalkerr posted:I don't believe that's possible when the only ship in your hangar is one you bought from a third party after the "can only trade a ship once" cutoff? I could be wrong. At this point that's the best attitude to have. If you can't sell it or get a refund, embrace the suck and move on.
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Dusty Lens posted:Yes. All refund requests get the '14 day hurr game is finished" notice. So you have to fight it. CIG is going to do whatever they can to keep your money. In this case there is nothing to fight, unless you have money with them there's nothing to refund.
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Christ, just noticed they pulled in $285K yesterday.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Christ, just noticed they pulled in $285K yesterday. There's always more idiots. Plus people speculating on dual packages having value. So more idiots.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:There's always more idiots. Plus people speculating on dual packages having value. It's starting to feel to me like more and more of these numbers might be made up. That's an obscene amount of money to attribute to a single day of bad decision making. There's a lot more information on the web now, even compared to just 6 months ago, indicating what's going on with this project. If the numbers are indeed real, then I overestimated humanity yet again.
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Scruffpuff posted:It's starting to feel to me like more and more of these numbers might be made up. That's an obscene amount of money to attribute to a single day of bad decision making. There's a lot more information on the web now, even compared to just 6 months ago, indicating what's going on with this project. If the numbers are indeed real, then I overestimated humanity yet again. If CIG were lying would it be tantamount to fraud, since they were misrepresenting their financial health while courting new backers? Star Citizen has dramatically altered my expectations for the human race.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Star Citizen has dramatically lowered my expectations for the human race.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If CIG were lying would it be tantamount to fraud, since they were misrepresenting their financial health while courting new backers? Well they are double-dipping into the "financial health" well in an interesting way. They changed their TOS more than once in a borderline-fraud move to avoid releasing the very financials they promised to release. Cultists screech in their defense that a private company is not obligated to release financials. However, on the other hand, they're perfectly fine releasing one part of their financials - their daily donation income - which coincidentally happens to be the part most likely to mislead potential backers into believing that the project is healthy. Cultists are curiously silent about that - if a private company is not obligated to release financials, then none of this should be visible. Unless, of course, it's to CIG's advantage to hide one aspect of their cash flow, while going out of their way to draw attention to the other, to the degree that their web design is directly linked to it. It's almost as if they planned it this way from the beginning. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Didn't the PU/S42 split happen yesterday? Probably the reason for a spike in sales as the last of the on the fence idiots go plummeting over into madness.
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It strikes me more and more that this is really just like seeing behind the curtains on a successful mobile FTP game with a cash shop. Stupid amounts of money falling into it for no discernible reason.
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Scruffpuff posted:It's starting to feel to me like more and more of these numbers might be made up. That's an obscene amount of money to attribute to a single day of bad decision making. Swedish mafia! Swedish mafia!
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Stalkerr posted:It's money I spent over a year ago, when I was still interested in SC. Effectively it's trapped value... might as well get some promise of future return (a package) rather than absolutely zero (a standalone ship). Even if it's all just ephemeral anyway, and is effectively "checking a box". You upgraded your bought back LX, is the package giftable? I'm not suggesting you sell it, I just wonder if using your token to pay with RSI credits means it's locked or not as I don't know. AP fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Scruffpuff posted:It's starting to feel to me like more and more of these numbers might be made up. That's an obscene amount of money to attribute to a single day of bad decision making. There's a lot more information on the web now, even compared to just 6 months ago, indicating what's going on with this project. If the numbers are indeed real, then I overestimated humanity yet again. Yeah, the counter doesn't make sense. From 100 million to 108 million they gained roughly 192k users in that time, and made 8.5 million. Unless there is whales buying multiple packages everyday as a silent investors or something, the rate of user growth is skewed. Shady as a used car lot with bad physics if you ask me. edit : http://imgur.com/q6jgUVI the 100 million "milestone" for reference. Imgur is being weird so direct link. Lime Tonics fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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KM Scorchio posted:Didn't the PU/S42 split happen yesterday? Probably the reason for a spike in sales as the last of the on the fence idiots go plummeting over into madness. Right, strip out the past spending trend and it looks like around 4-5K starter packs. But that's a bad guess, probably a lot of people got sucked in and bought shiny jpegs.
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Scruffpuff posted:It's starting to feel to me like more and more of these numbers might be made up. Mrs saw BBC Click this morning while round at her mothers and brought the subject up with me, I don't bore her with this poo poo normally as she wouldn't be interested. I don't know what the audience figures are but it's probably a million or two.
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Also, this thread is great too, https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/318153/dear-cig-none-of-your-free-flight-people-have-any-idea-what-to-do But, THIS THREAD is the greatest.
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AP posted:You upgraded your bought back LX, is the package giftable? No, it mentions when you unmelt that whatever you unmelt is ungiftable. It's effectively like CIG is "gifting" the package back to you, in exchange for store credit, the same as if a player had done so.
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Lots of people on here with a much better handle on the income, burn rate theories, etc. than I have, but I think sometimes just looking at the project from a simpler vantage point can be revealing. With over $100 million, CIG failed to make Star Citizen. That much we know. The PTU is the closest they were able to get, and it's a bad tech demo on the verge of code collapse. Now, knowing that $100 million dollars resulted in failure, they throw the remaining cash behind SQ42. At this point, the question becomes, how much money does SQ42 have to bring in for Star Citizen, as promised, to come to fruition? Never mind all the technical reasons it can or can't be done, never mind Chris Roberts' stupidity, never mind 64-bit positioning, mo-cap, and all that bullshit Derek and others predicted from a technical standpoint. Here, in the real world, CIG has already failed. They reached a huge income milestone and they have poo poo to show for it. So whatever income they have left, even if it's enough to weather all of 2016, is going toward a different product. So if $100 million was not enough to make Star Citizen, how much will it take? If SQ42 gives them another $100 million, will that be enough? How many years have they been at it? Will 5 more do the trick? What about another $200 million, will that work? And what do they think other development companies will be doing in that time? How about hardware manufacturers? APIs? Development doesn't occur in a vacuum. Take too long loving around, and the world passes you by. And on top of that, SQ42 isn't even a complete product - it's the first in a long series. That's gonna suck some funds out too. So when exactly does Star Citizen the pseudo-mmo get enough attention to even begin development? It's clear to me that the end-game here was for Chris Roberts to make his awful single-player game - but no publishers wanted to go anywhere near the guy. So he lied to absolutely everyone, and promised poo poo he never intended to deliver, in order to fund it. Star Citizen, like Star Marine, was just a "game mode" - a hypothetical promise of multiplayer space-pew-pew that just didn't work out. Every million he makes will make the fallout that much worse when the collapse comes. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Lime Tonics posted:Also, this thread is great too, PG's videos should be the training videos of choice in the verse.
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Stalkerr posted:No, it mentions when you unmelt that whatever you unmelt is ungiftable. It's effectively like CIG is "gifting" the package back to you, in exchange for store credit, the same as if a player had done so. I'm not surprised with RSI credits, I think if you had unmelted with cash instead it would giftable but I might be wrong.
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Sucking CIG's dick : a lesson in cradling the balls https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/315904/well-done-cig-would-you-work-in-a-place-like-this-a-happy-thread
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Sucking CIG's dick : a lesson in cradling the balls I'm getting pretty tired of people crediting Chris with having a "vision". Saying that literally EVERYTHING you can think of would be cool in a game is not a vision. Anyone can do that. "Wouldn't it be cool if we had a space game where you could do literally ANYTHING?!?" Wow, what an incredible vision - amazing you had it first.
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Scruffpuff posted:It's clear to me that the end-game here was for Chris Roberts to make his awful single-player game - but no publishers wanted to go anywhere near the guy. So he lied to absolutely everyone, and promised poo poo he never intended to deliver, in order to fund it. Star Citizen, like Star Marine, was just a "game mode" - a hypothetical promise of multiplayer space-pew-pew that just didn't work out. Every million he makes will make the fallout that much worse when the collapse comes. If as we believe with good reason he can't get even close to Star Citizen with CryEngine, I wonder if he'll play for more time and go for an engine change. If they manage to limp along until SQ42 is released and it's crap, I can see him saying "well the engine didn't work out but we have all these finished assets we can port over" as that would be more tempting than admitting defeat, defeat would kinda make selling more crap a lot harder. A fair few Citizens will think, hey it's only another
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Sucking CIG's dick : a lesson in cradling the balls the silent majority has risen, make the RSI forums great again
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Sucking CIG's dick : a lesson in cradling the balls Agreed, Chris's vision and the way he is attempting things never before seen will drive this project on to a successful conclusion
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Scruffpuff posted:I'm getting pretty tired of people crediting Chris with having a "vision". Saying that literally EVERYTHING you can think of would be cool in a game is not a vision. Anyone can do that. "Wouldn't it be cool if we had a space game where you could do literally ANYTHING?!?" Wow, what an incredible vision - amazing you had it first. Chris needs to go to Specsavers cause his vision is hosed! Happy Sisyphus posted:the silent majority has risen, make the RSI forums great again If I had the strength to go on RSI and shitpost incessantly I would, but it's soul destroying seeing those idiots sucking croberts dick. So I shitpost here, hi googlebutt!
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peter gabriel posted:Also fidelity, never before have we seen these kind of graphics If you're looking for ideas for future videos, the graphical pop-in issues are pretty terrible for a space game with incredibly large maps. I also think making fun of the graphics will send some people completely crazy if that influences you at all.
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